• ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net
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    For secure messaging that isn’t centralized and doesn’t require a phone number, I’d suggest Delta Chat.

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    Just my Whatsapp abstinence alone is costing me dearly socially. Without Telegram it would be straight to the hermitage. Very few normies use even Signal, let alone all the weird and wonderful “even more private” alternatives whose names I never bother to try to remember.

    This advice is completely disconnected from the reality of anyone who has, or wants to have, a social life.

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      I look at it a bit differently. If I’m not important enough to my friends and family for them to install a easy to set up app, then I guess I never was that important to them.

      I left facebook in 2011, lost contact with most of my school friends, army buddies etc. I left Whatsapp around 2016, lost contact with most of what was left. In my signal there’s 6 chats open. Two of them are my sisters, whom I rarely talk to. One of them is my weed dealer. The rest are friends, I guess, but even those chats haven’t been active since January 6th (I just checked) lol.

      But I know I’m a bit different, I’m a bitter, miserable and grumpy man who doesn’t mind being alone. I know most of the people are not like that and would go mad without contact with other people. For me its more healthy to be away from these parasite apps and services than it is to keep up with everyone.

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      I got my family, wife and almost all friends to install Signal. Yes, I’m not in a hundred group chats anymore and sometimes miss stuff but my quality of life didn’t get worse from my phone not constantly dinging anymore.

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      Or you know, people can start to move? Always this ridiculous expectation, “i only move if everyone uses it”. Like how is thay supposed to work?

      No, not everyone needs to make a cold cut, even though it would be better. But you can start using e.g. Signal and maybe one or two of your friends would too. And slowly more and more people would migrate. It’s a process, but if most people don’t even bother then of course it won’t go anywhere.

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        As I already mentioned, I already do not use Whatsapp. That is a massive sacrifice where I am. You may not be aware of this (I’m guessing American), but in western Europe almost everybody is now using Whatsapp for pretty much everything. Businesses are replacing the phone and email with it. The situation is even worse in Latin America.

        If you meet a new social contact and you don’t have Whatsapp, that’s likely it, you will not be keeping in contact with that person. Typically they have Telegram installed but hardly use it (so the app gets killed and they won’t be notified of your message). As for Signal and the rest, most people haven’t even heard of them. I speak from experience. It’s a disaster and I worry the people who populate this forum (i.e. Americans who still use SMS) are not familiar with how dire the situation now is elsewhere in the world.

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          I have a) ignored the fact you said about whatsapp because i was annoyed with the “inevitable” sentiment. sorry for that and fantastic step from you; And b) i have not used it in…i don’t even know, 6-8 years? I was very hopefull more people make a switch during the last time news came up. But i am also in europe and well aware how stupid the situation is, unfortunately.

          I am also aware how stupid many businesses are, but i am closer to the other end of the spectrum and just stubborn so i simply don’t partake. And i will be complaining, but obviously without much reach in my echo chamber of people who switched anyway.

          But what i mean is really that there can be change, slowly and gradually but it works. I my of my close family and most of my few friends to Signal and slowly i see this spreading to aquaintances. Like my bouldering group switched lately, which was a very nice surprise to me.

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          As an Australian I had no idea how ubiquitous WhatsApp had become elsewhere before travelling. I downloaded it for the first time on a trip to Europe because I literally couldn’t contact certain providers otherwise and the only other time I’ve ever used it was when I was in India and was faced with the same dilemma. It was a real culture shock.

          I, and everyone I’m linked in with here in Australia, only use WhatsApp to communicate with relatives overseas or don’t use it at all. We all just tend to use SMS or regular phone calls here.