It makes a lot of sense to own more than one gun. For self defense you might own one shotgun, one handgun, and a smaller handgun for concealed carry. If you’re a hunter, you likely want two rifles in different calibers, a shotgun, and a hand gun. In addition to that you might have an old gun laying around or grandpa’s old hunting gun, a range toy, some historic gun you like for some reason. Sport target shooters will have a few different guns, depending on what disciplines they shoot. Then there are also more serious collectors who might have dozens or hundreds of different firearms.
Yes. What’s the point of owning a firearm if you can’t have a gun for when you’re sleeping in your bedroom, a gun when you’re on the toilet, a gun when you’re on the couch watching the TV, a gun when you’re at the front door greeting guests, a gun when you’re driving your F150, a gun for that second amendment right, a gun when you go grocery shopping, a gun when you go buying clothes, a gun to go with your Tony Montana cosplay and you know, a gun just for fun. What are you supposed to do? Go outside without a gun? Use one gun for all those things? Don’t you know switching to your sidearm is always faster than reloading?
You don’t need all those guns. You want all those guns.
Very true. People have all kinds of stuff they don’t actually need, but just like having.
I’m not sure the number of guns someone owns makes a difference regarding public safety and gun crime.
I support stricter gun laws in the US, registered ownership, some kind of license, sales only through licenses dealers, restricted advertising, waiting times, safe storage requirements, etc. A lot of gun regulations in the US are not very effective and more symbolic. Bothering legal owners more doesn’t necessarily help with violent crimes using firearms.
Fundamentally the main reasons for gun crime are social and can improved without changing gun regulations.
I agree. The main reasons for crime are social and in America that should definitely be improved upon, but have you questioned why specifically gun related crimes are so high compared to let’s say knife-related crimes? Because in Europe it’s probably the opposite, knife-related crimes are higher than gun-related crimes.
Yes, easy gun availability makes gun crime more likely. If you think your victim might have a gun, you want to use a gun to rob them. Knives are very deadly weapons as well and very hard to regulate.
In many European countries it’s easier to get a gun illegally than legally.
Any kind of registration of ANYTHING in the US is a bad idea. Especially at a time where the federal government is openly genocidal towards certain minorities, especially trans people. Having a list of trans people who own guns would be free eats for them if they declared every single one a terrorist or enemy of the state.
A gun registry wouldn’t list if people are trans or not though. A list of trans people you would get through healthcare and insurance. Changes of a legal name is probably registered somewhere as well. So they would need to cross reference.
If they want to go after trans people individually, they would go for leaders and activists first. They are easily found on social media nowadays. Then go after organized groups.
An individual armed trans person is much less of a concern, than organized groups armed or not.
If there were to be a registry it would have to be in a way that it does not associate a person’s face with their ownership, it should be a token that only points that the gun is legal to own.
I personally think that if I was one to put gun control up, I’d start with making handguns harder to own in some manner, or less attractive to steal or use, and starting a mandatory training program for anyone trying to own a firearm ran by both government officials and volunteers, with various training regimen and hard exams to weed out potentially violent individuals. Oh, and also I’d completely disarm the police everywhere like in Europe. Regular cops don’t need guns to radar cars in the highway, go to someone’s house to take notes on a burglary that they’ll lose later, or respond to an autistic kid having a meltdown.
Who are you to tell how many of those someone needs? If someone isn’t a murderous psychopath it does not matter how many guns they have cause exactly none of them will be used on a person.
Let’s me rephrase it then. You can want to have all those guns but it’s not sensible to have all those guns.
The argument here is that it’s sensible to have so many guns. It’s not sensible because even among Americans the median gun owner owns 2 guns. You don’t need a shotgun, a handgun, a concealed carry gun and a whole other set of guns for hunting and whole other set of guns for the shooting range etc. That is not sensible, that is just someone wanting a whole lot of guns.
You don’t need a shotgun, a handgun, a concealed carry gun and a whole other set of guns for hunting and whole other set of guns for the shooting range etc. That is not sensible, that is just someone wanting a whole lot of guns.
What you described in the first sentence is entirely reasonable, you just don’t understand it.
Here’s an evaluation based strictly on cost.
My hunting rifles cost something like $2 per round or more to fire. If I want to go to the range and practice technique firing 50 to 100 times is normal. This is a cost of $100 to $200 dollars.
My plinking, or training, rifles on the other have a cost of about 4 cents per round to fire. So now a practice day at the range is below $5.
However I cannot hunt with a training rifle, it’s caliber is far too small.
It’s the same with shotguns and handguns. The heavier ones are necessary for real activities but they cost a lot to train with. The smaller caliber ones are much less expensive to train with but aren’t useful for real work.
What you are missing, IMO, is that firearms are tools and people who use their tools tend to own more than one of each.
Yeah, I totally use my training hammer to be prepared to use my real hammer when the time is right. I also have a set of training screw drivers to be prepared when I need to take my computer apart for cleaning. And to be proficient with the air canister I have a training canister.
I get it, you like to shoot and if you shoot a lot you want to make it cheap and it’s cheaper to shoot small bullets because they’re cheaper. But most gun owners are not hunters nor do they go regularly shooting. Your individual experience may be sensible for your specific scenario, but it’s not sensible for the vast majority of gun owners. It might be sensible for a BSDM practitioner to build a sex dungeon, it doesn’t mean a sex dungeon is sensible for everyone having sex.
Yeah, I totally use my training hammer to be prepared to use my real hammer when the time is right. I also have a set of training screw drivers to be prepared when I need to take my computer apart for cleaning. And to be proficient with the air canister I have a training canister.
I have hammers for driving nails, 12 shaped hammers for doing body work, rubber hammers (mallets) for banging on softer materials, and 4 different sledge hammers weighing between 3lbs and 50lbs. I also have screw drivers in sizes from itty bitty eyeglass / watch to computer to jumbo. I also have air canisters, a 3 gallon pancake air compressor, and 50 gallon shop sized air compressor. You use the correct tool in the correct way to accomplish the job. Your attempt at making a false equivalence is rejected.
Your individual experience may be sensible for your specific scenario, but it’s not sensible for the vast majority of gun owners.
So in the first half of that sentence you admit your own argument is false, or at least not universally true. It IS sensible for at least some gun owners to have different firearms for different purposes. As for the 2nd half you do realize that there are between 15 and 16 million hunters in the United States, right? This is not a small number of people.
It might be sensible for a BSDM practitioner to build a sex dungeon, it doesn’t mean a sex dungeon is sensible for everyone having sex.
Okay first off, false equivalence again and second…what’s wrong with sex dungeon? They’re pretty easy to build if you have the right tools. :)
Edit: In case it’s not clear I’m approaching this as a semi-friendly conversation.
TBH if you’re a hunter you DO need different guns, because a gun for deer is overkill for something like wolves/boars but mostly useless against something like a bear. But aside from that, if I did live in the US I would be a collector, but the only guns I’d seriously plan to buy brand new would be a carry pistol, a shotgun, and a rifle. And as long as they’re following the law and no one’s getting hurt, I don’t think it matters how many guns one could have.
It makes a lot of sense to own more than one gun. For self defense you might own one shotgun, one handgun, and a smaller handgun for concealed carry. If you’re a hunter, you likely want two rifles in different calibers, a shotgun, and a hand gun. In addition to that you might have an old gun laying around or grandpa’s old hunting gun, a range toy, some historic gun you like for some reason. Sport target shooters will have a few different guns, depending on what disciplines they shoot. Then there are also more serious collectors who might have dozens or hundreds of different firearms.
Yes. What’s the point of owning a firearm if you can’t have a gun for when you’re sleeping in your bedroom, a gun when you’re on the toilet, a gun when you’re on the couch watching the TV, a gun when you’re at the front door greeting guests, a gun when you’re driving your F150, a gun for that second amendment right, a gun when you go grocery shopping, a gun when you go buying clothes, a gun to go with your Tony Montana cosplay and you know, a gun just for fun. What are you supposed to do? Go outside without a gun? Use one gun for all those things? Don’t you know switching to your sidearm is always faster than reloading?
You don’t need all those guns. You want all those guns.
We call this the New York Reload and strapping down with like six pistols is a legitimate tactic.
Very true. People have all kinds of stuff they don’t actually need, but just like having.
I’m not sure the number of guns someone owns makes a difference regarding public safety and gun crime.
I support stricter gun laws in the US, registered ownership, some kind of license, sales only through licenses dealers, restricted advertising, waiting times, safe storage requirements, etc. A lot of gun regulations in the US are not very effective and more symbolic. Bothering legal owners more doesn’t necessarily help with violent crimes using firearms.
Fundamentally the main reasons for gun crime are social and can improved without changing gun regulations.
I agree. The main reasons for crime are social and in America that should definitely be improved upon, but have you questioned why specifically gun related crimes are so high compared to let’s say knife-related crimes? Because in Europe it’s probably the opposite, knife-related crimes are higher than gun-related crimes.
Yes, easy gun availability makes gun crime more likely. If you think your victim might have a gun, you want to use a gun to rob them. Knives are very deadly weapons as well and very hard to regulate.
In many European countries it’s easier to get a gun illegally than legally.
Any kind of registration of ANYTHING in the US is a bad idea. Especially at a time where the federal government is openly genocidal towards certain minorities, especially trans people. Having a list of trans people who own guns would be free eats for them if they declared every single one a terrorist or enemy of the state.
A valid concern.
A gun registry wouldn’t list if people are trans or not though. A list of trans people you would get through healthcare and insurance. Changes of a legal name is probably registered somewhere as well. So they would need to cross reference.
If they want to go after trans people individually, they would go for leaders and activists first. They are easily found on social media nowadays. Then go after organized groups.
An individual armed trans person is much less of a concern, than organized groups armed or not.
If there were to be a registry it would have to be in a way that it does not associate a person’s face with their ownership, it should be a token that only points that the gun is legal to own.
I personally think that if I was one to put gun control up, I’d start with making handguns harder to own in some manner, or less attractive to steal or use, and starting a mandatory training program for anyone trying to own a firearm ran by both government officials and volunteers, with various training regimen and hard exams to weed out potentially violent individuals. Oh, and also I’d completely disarm the police everywhere like in Europe. Regular cops don’t need guns to radar cars in the highway, go to someone’s house to take notes on a burglary that they’ll lose later, or respond to an autistic kid having a meltdown.
Interesting idea
Who are you to tell how many of those someone needs? If someone isn’t a murderous psychopath it does not matter how many guns they have cause exactly none of them will be used on a person.
Let’s me rephrase it then. You can want to have all those guns but it’s not sensible to have all those guns.
The argument here is that it’s sensible to have so many guns. It’s not sensible because even among Americans the median gun owner owns 2 guns. You don’t need a shotgun, a handgun, a concealed carry gun and a whole other set of guns for hunting and whole other set of guns for the shooting range etc. That is not sensible, that is just someone wanting a whole lot of guns.
What you described in the first sentence is entirely reasonable, you just don’t understand it.
Here’s an evaluation based strictly on cost.
My hunting rifles cost something like $2 per round or more to fire. If I want to go to the range and practice technique firing 50 to 100 times is normal. This is a cost of $100 to $200 dollars.
My plinking, or training, rifles on the other have a cost of about 4 cents per round to fire. So now a practice day at the range is below $5.
However I cannot hunt with a training rifle, it’s caliber is far too small.
It’s the same with shotguns and handguns. The heavier ones are necessary for real activities but they cost a lot to train with. The smaller caliber ones are much less expensive to train with but aren’t useful for real work.
What you are missing, IMO, is that firearms are tools and people who use their tools tend to own more than one of each.
Yeah, I totally use my training hammer to be prepared to use my real hammer when the time is right. I also have a set of training screw drivers to be prepared when I need to take my computer apart for cleaning. And to be proficient with the air canister I have a training canister.
I get it, you like to shoot and if you shoot a lot you want to make it cheap and it’s cheaper to shoot small bullets because they’re cheaper. But most gun owners are not hunters nor do they go regularly shooting. Your individual experience may be sensible for your specific scenario, but it’s not sensible for the vast majority of gun owners. It might be sensible for a BSDM practitioner to build a sex dungeon, it doesn’t mean a sex dungeon is sensible for everyone having sex.
I have hammers for driving nails, 12 shaped hammers for doing body work, rubber hammers (mallets) for banging on softer materials, and 4 different sledge hammers weighing between 3lbs and 50lbs. I also have screw drivers in sizes from itty bitty eyeglass / watch to computer to jumbo. I also have air canisters, a 3 gallon pancake air compressor, and 50 gallon shop sized air compressor. You use the correct tool in the correct way to accomplish the job. Your attempt at making a false equivalence is rejected.
So in the first half of that sentence you admit your own argument is false, or at least not universally true. It IS sensible for at least some gun owners to have different firearms for different purposes. As for the 2nd half you do realize that there are between 15 and 16 million hunters in the United States, right? This is not a small number of people.
Okay first off, false equivalence again and second…what’s wrong with sex dungeon? They’re pretty easy to build if you have the right tools. :)
Edit: In case it’s not clear I’m approaching this as a semi-friendly conversation.
TBH if you’re a hunter you DO need different guns, because a gun for deer is overkill for something like wolves/boars but mostly useless against something like a bear. But aside from that, if I did live in the US I would be a collector, but the only guns I’d seriously plan to buy brand new would be a carry pistol, a shotgun, and a rifle. And as long as they’re following the law and no one’s getting hurt, I don’t think it matters how many guns one could have.
Ah yes, the two genders, completely sane “piles of guns” owner and raging psychopath.
Nuance doesn’t exist, accidents don’t happen and a mostly overlooked societal mental health crisis is woke DEI propaganda.