Lots of layoffs (“re-evaluating our operational footprint”) and switching to “agentic” processes. Target user is AI.
Anyone still hosting Gitlab?
Just like everyone has already done I’d also recommend Codeberg/Forgejo👌
Idiotic. Use codeberg.
Is every mother fucker just going bat shit insane this year? Goddamn it.
For fucks sake… Is Sourcehut ok for private projects?
I have been using sourcehut for mercurial private projects for about half a year without any issues. Also have some a couple of public repos which I develop in Mercurial and then mirror to Codeberg. Only issue I find with sourcehut is that they don’t produce files for users to download. So, if someone wanted something from your repo and they don’t have git / mercurial they would be unable to get the files.
Still hosting gitlab.
The CI on forgejo is, unfortunately, nowhere near as good.
Given how long gitlab has been struggling to fix basic bugs and instead creeping into features - hello-oo bloated and slow vscode-like web editor and non-ephemeral runner management - I’m not sure they have any staff left to let go. But it’s nice they found an excuse to shed their remaining talent and avoid complete stock devaluation.
The planning is happening openly, including a voluntary separation window.
“We don’t understand how the Dead Sea Effect works, and we want to super-size the damage.”. Okay. Bill.
The only upside I see is their stock has fallen since this announcement. Perhaps the market is finally getting that companies pushing AI isn’t a universal good thing?
Ouch. My company was just about to start moving over to GitLab off of Atlassian.
That makes sense, since Gitlab seems to be trying to challenge Atlassian. In who manages to make worse software…
We use atlassian at my job and I hate it
I like that I can read this as you stating you use Atlassian yet hate Gitlab, and the statement still works either way 😅
I don’t think that they’ve used enough buzzwords.
Increased buzzword utilization is part of their go forward strategy that begins implementation in Q3 pending socialization of relevant KPI. obviously.
Synergizing good EQ through the single pane of glass.
- Software will be built by machines, directed by people.
- The agentic era multiplies demand for software. As the cost of producing software collapses, demand for it will expand.
objectively insane.
Governance built into the core.
I still believe that’s not possible, but that’s only my opinion.
As the cost of producing software collapses, demand for it will expand.
This part actually makes sense. Plenty of software doesn’t get written because it’s just easier or cheaper to do without it. It’s why BPM tools exist. Simplify the coding process and you can solve problems more cheaply.
I also think this will kill BPM tools. Why use BPM tooling when creating a real app is just as easy and more customizable?
I see that requires some more explaining my thinking:
There is only demand and supply.
Previously, we had “high demand” and “limited supply” which is what lead to software dev roles being a very well paid job in silicon valley and some other places.
Now, the promise of AI, making software by itself or increasing productivity, if true, mean that supply increases. That makes software cheaper. Theoretically.
But that’s the supply side.
What you’re talking about is also a “I have so much supply, I can now afford to do projects and software I could not do before, because my time, budget, etc. was limited.” But you already had the idea and the “demand” however low priority, already existed.
What isn’t happening, is that some company sits down and suddenly decides that they need more software than they thought they needed. Even the bit that is “replacing real humans” is replacing humans. It’s meeting a demand that was already there in a new way.
Using a metaphor / example, we currently, as humanity, manage to feed ourselves. Or let’s pretend that we do and nobody is starving. Someone claiming that “the demand for food is going to go up” is talking nonsense. They can say that demand for “cheese” or “meat” or “potatoes” will go up. But not food, because that market is already saturated. Because we’re not starving.
Yes, the fact that the demand is there and that the supply gets cheaper will mean that more software will be produced.
But not because of increased demand. AI doesn’t create it’s own demand.
…at least that’s my thought process and why I wrote what I wrote in the original comment.
This is why we built and released the Duo Agent Platform in January. Our first quarter adoption is promising, and we’re ready to accelerate.
This is so weird. They gave a Duo presentation at our company and I was a bit second hand embarrassed because it’s just bad.
Anyway, the stock price will probably go up after this announcement…
My work started a trial of Duo and it actually was rather helpful. I liked it better than other teams just copy pasting output from gitlab to claude or something. Integrated well and had the option to hide all of it if you didn’t want any of it.
Stock went down though
Damn
They once were a promising alternative to MS GitHub but now they’re going down the same route.
I like AI and use it. This post was just sad. What a crazy way to announce you don’t have an AI product while saying your product is dead.
Oh god that is so cringe. Just getting into coding i have no idea what to use as an online repo. I dont want to use github because microsoft but i want the basic repo collaboration features to be available cloning, pull requests, issues etc.
Codeberg for hosted, Forgejo for selfhosted.
They are great.
If you don’t want to host something yourself, check codeberg
I like codeberg and have no plans on migrating away from it, but their codeberg Pages product is…weak to say the least. There’s very frequent downtime. I had multiple users reach out to me letting me know my site was down… embarrassing. I set up kuma uptime checks on it, and now I see when the outages happen.
Forget “four 9’s” or anything close to that…my 30 day uptime is a measley 91%…
Github seems to be down a lot, too, although perhaps not their pages part. Perhaps you could try to have just the pages in some other place?
They communicate that openly tho:
Regular maintenance window: We’re meeting every Tuesday starting 18.00 Berlin time (currently 17.00 UTC), lasting up to 8 hours. While we announce large scheduled downtimes in advance, there might be minor interruptions due to maintenance work happening during the meeting. Please be patient in this case.
https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg
Not sure if that’s also for the Pages feature, but in general having a weekly 8hr maintenance window is not optimal.
Codeberg, I can recommend
Isnt codeberg centralized? I worry it will run into the same issue as github. I was checking out Radicle but its cryptic and hard to search for other projects.
Codeberg is supporting forgejo which Codeberg is built on. Forgejo is ActivityPub powered git repositories. So imagine regular git, but everyone can have their own repos on their own sites and you can still interact with each other. So yes, Codeberg is centealized FOR NOW. But they’re working on opening it up to EVERYONE to run their own and be able to access all the repos you use over the Fediverse.
Just like bluesky is centralised “for now” i.e. forever
Except bluesky is funded by VC and they created their own protocol and federation design.
Codeberg is an open source repo only place, they’re building in AP, they have monthly updates. So nothing like Bluesky.
But I understand the trepidation.
Will it be possible to have decentralized pull requests? Like I open a PR on my site, my friend reviews my PR on his site, and I get his reviews on my site?
This was always baked into basic git from the beginning if you review your code in E-Mail chains or mailing lists.
Email chains and mailing lists are not really a practical way to develop anymore, and it is increasingly anachronistic (as is the idea of tying your identity to an email which is also baked into basic git). This was the only realistic democratic and federated option when git was designed, but it was never the ideal one. Forgejo is trying to build a better, more ideal, also-federated alternative that is really designed for code collaboration from the ground up. Once the design is stabilized, there’s no reason it couldn’t get built into git also. I would love to be able to create a PR with git itself and have it automatically submitted to the origin repository.
That’s nowhere near as convenient as current web based PR.
So not really baked in at all then?
That’s the plan, but it’s still far away
That’s nice
That sounds like the dream.
It’s funny coming from the Plex thread into this; ~100% of people who keep using Plex do so because it’s centralised and it makes sharing their library with their network of family and friends easier.
The truth is; a lot of us feel like we need more internet accounts about as much as we need genital warts. Part of the reason GitHub got successful was the fact that you only needed to register once and you had access to fork and PR all the repos on there.
Decentralisation is great for self hosting things for, well, yourself and your household, but it’s got hefty downsides. Account creation is a friction point for others to join and collab.
At least with federation a single account gets you access to all the systems. So a truly federated git system would be great.
The truth is; a lot of us feel like we need more internet accounts about as much as we need genital warts.
You are confusing decentralized and fragmented (or self hosted). The promise of fragmented software (like Lemmy) is that there are many instances but an agreed upon protocol. You create one account on one site and then use it to pull and push data to any other site that uses the same communication protocol. Like you and I for example. You created an account on lemmy.zip, I created one on lemmy.world, and we are both discussing a post created by a user on lemmy.nocturnal.garden (an instance I have never heard of).
Even if, switching your used repo hosting service is a matter of minutes if you’re using git. You register on the other site, add your SSH key, update the remote URL of your repository which is just a
git remote set-url origin <new url>and then hitgit push, probably with something like--forceor another option, kinda forgot the exact name. So that’s something you could easily automate in like 10 lines of bash script for all your repositories.It’s super hard to “trap” people in something like github because git is so open and decentralized. Switching is super easy. Most people who stay on github or gitlab do it because they need the CI/CD pipelines or because they’re lazy and/or stupid.
And the open issues, tasks and pull requests?
Right.
Those are all part of the forge, not git.
- A git migration is easy.
- Forge migration usually requires some form of migration tool to get all the forge specific stuff (like issues, PR’s and todos).
The 2 are very different things.
And what kind of service is gitlab, which we are discussing here, or github which was brought up in the comment, or codeberg?
They are forges.
I think the comment of migrating git, was more for smaller and maybe private projects. Not large collaborations. So only the git part, not the forge part.
When I read this discussion on HackerNews they act like they’re trapped and it would require moving the sun and the earth to switch over.
Its centralized, but they (forgejo, the underlying software) are building on standards wherever possible so it should be easy enough to move things around. I also don’t really see them breaking bad anytime soon, at some point you have stop worrying and start to build shit.
It is but they’re working on federation for forgejo (which powers Codeberg).
Oh sorry, I might have misunderstood your question. Yes, Codeberg is centralised, but it is registered at a public e.V. in Germany making it more open (not a company).
But then you could use what they use, Forgejo to self host.
Or Gittea as suggested by somebody else.
Codeberg or sourcehut.
Gitlab was always cringe.
For a beginner, I’d probably stick to Github initially, just because there’s so many guides and tutorials on how to use it, and their free plan is still pretty generous.
A lot of the knowledge is transferable though. If you do want to try something else, Codeberg is pretty good for open-source.
To just learn about Git, you don’t even need a host like Github or Codeberg. You can have a Git repo just on your computer, and still get a bunch of the benefits of source control - a full history of everything, separate branches and worktrees so you can have multiple incomplete changes and switch between them, etc.
Codeberg
Host a Gitea?See reply comment below
Or Forgejo, which is a fork of Gitea and is what Codeberg uses. They explain their advantages over Gitea here: https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/
The tl;dr is that Forgejo is maintained by a non-profit whereas Gitea is maintained by a for-profit company, and Forgejo is completely open-source whereas Gitea is open-core with some features only available in their hosted service. Forgejo also has better testing and a bigger focus on security.
Oh dang I didn’t realize! Thank you!! I was just starting to look at those things myself and wanted to also avoid GH. Plus Gitea was available on Yunohost too. I’ve heard of Codeberg, I’ll see if I can host that instead. It’s too bad other companies don’t move away from GH…
Ok what are we going to call them now? Gitslop? Sloplab?
Forget they exist and don’t call them anything.
This reads almost like a parody.
The only large mainstream competitor, which would probably benefit from github’s troubles: “We saw github breaking itself regularly because of it’s own slop coding AND flooded with trash vibe coded projects and thought - that’s where we wanna be!”
