I really want a Linux DE that can take advantage of this. Virtual desktops and multiple monitors are nice but this is potentially so much better.
I mean its gonna ship with KDE so lets see what it ends up looking like
I’m just excited for Lepton which will hopefully demonstrate the stupidity of kernel level anticheat when it will allow Linux users to play Fortnite for a couple of hours before Epic inevitably starts monkeypatching their android port lol.
I can’t wait to box or duel people in VR. I hope VR devs are encouraged to make VR games 🤞
Sold both of my oculus headsets a few months ago. Looking forward to this
Do we have any idea how much the whole kit will set us back?
Machine+frame+controller
The only concrete information we’ve gotten was in the interviews when it was announced, where we were promised “less than Valve Index”. Unfortunately that’s rather vague, as it’s unclear whether they meant Index, Index+controllers, or Index+controllers+tracking stations.
I’m assuming the price will be approximately what Index+Controllers is, maybe a bit more. You can see those prices in your region by looking up the Valve Index on steam.
It sounds like the machine will have a few versions, presumably just different specs so that’s up in the air. With the stocking issues that I’m sure will affect all 3 I don’t expect any kind of bundle right away so 99 USD for the controller. The frame has more going for it than my hp reverb g2 and that was 600 years back. I’d have to assume at least 1000, maybe upwards of 1500?
So maybe 2600 on the upper end if I guess the machine is 1000? I don’t know though because ram is still sky high so my brain isn’t wired for that.
I would be extremely surprised if the frame costs more at lanuch than the index, which was $1000.
I went higher in my guess than I would’ve just because the state of things at the moment. I would love it if I was wrong since I plan on getting one. If I ignore that I probably would’ve guessed around 800-1100.
Why is that? I would think so e compute being included kind of makes inherently more expensive
Economies of scale plus a few years for the VR market to mature. Plus no lighthouses
Yeah, but the Index had 2 ~$150 lighthouses. Not that $300 is enough to cover the cost of the compute, but it’s one area of “savings” compared to the Index.
I’m mostly stoked about this new ARM support. Gaming hardware is going to see a big shift I suspect
And the next shift will be when they use ARM for the Steam Deck 2 once FEX has a lot of games/quirks worked out
I dont think there are any arm socs that are faster than the current steam deck
The M2 is like twice the performance
Apple really does have a crazy hardware division. I wish their software was anywhere near as appealing. They could do a good job of kicking Qualcomm into actually making something useful if they chose to license their M series chips
Their experience with Mac clones in the 1990s guarantees that will never happen.
Yeah thats fair.
I would probably bet that the next steam deck will be made by AMD or Intel unless something major changes in 2028. The new Intel CPUs are super power efficient, and the AMD CPUs later this year are planned to be similar.
I’m hype for the steam frame. I want an index upgrade so bad.
I’m willing to bet it isn’t an Index upgrade. That was an absolute top end VR HMD with no compromises. If you’re able to run it, with the space for it, then this isn’t going to top it. The resolution is lower, and the tracking is internal (which seems to be fine, but not as good if you can do lighthouses instead).
The only parts that are upgrades, I think, is being able to do things standalone without a connection to a computer, and being wireless (pros and cons).
The index’s resolution kind of sucks at 1440x1600.The steamframe is better at 2160x2160. The index is kind of potato vision IMO. The really high quality tracking from light houses is all the index has.
I thought the Index was higher than that.
I had an original Vive though. I’ve used an Index, and it looks mostly totally fine in comparison. It definitely doesn’t suck, but higher is almost always better. Notably though, the Frame will not be pushing this resolution everywhere. It’ll only be where you’re looking, but that’s pretty much fine, if not ideal. Using extra energy and creating more heat to render detail we can’t perceive isn’t good, especially for something mounted to your face.
I never even bought a VR set yet, I’ve been waiting for an index upgrade forever to finally get into VR.
I just hope the price is low enough that it isn’t an absurd purchase, but too high for most scalper assholes.
This is more of a side-grade. I was hoping for an actual Index 2.
I’m glad it isn’t Index 2. The frame seems way more accessible.
Yeah, dont get me wrong, its nice to see another device in the inside-out space (to avoid fucking Meta), but I think its going to be too expensive to compete with Meta on the main stage.
But I would also have liked to see a takeover of the high end again, to see Valve push the limits.
I hope you’re underestimating the number of people who want vr but refuse to buy a quest because of meta.
I guess valve will decide what comes next when they have an idea for how the frame does. At least the hype makes it sound like it could sell well.
Yea, I see why they have done it, its a good move! But I still want an insane high end headset :D
Depends on what’s important to you I guess. My Index is collecting dust, mostly because it’s heavy and fiddling with the cables always killed immersion for me.
Yea, its a good alternative, albeit more expensive, to Meta’s Quest devices. I’ll pick one up, but I do want to see Valve target the high-end again and push the VR space like they did with the Index.
As long as they do that with a wireless version, I will splurge on that as well, I am sure :D
I sure, if/when they do an Index 2 it’ll be wireless optional at least. They’ve already developed the tech for it. I don’t see any reason it wouldn’t be included with the “no compromises” headset.
I thought that is what it was going to be, both tracking options in a next-level headset!
Where would you say the Index has fallen behind, and what about the Frame is better? Isn’t the lack of room tracking a big drawback of the Frame vs the Index?
This basically top of the line VR now: https://store.bigscreenvr.com/products/bigscreen-beyond-2
The Index has fallen behind a lot and a new model would have been amazing.
Upgraded to the beyond 2e from my reverb G2 and I absolutely love it! Had to go through a couple different face plates since my eyelashes were touching the lenses, but their support was really good about getting a replacement/new face scan.
Imo the weakest area is the audio strap, especially coming from the G2 which has identical speakers to the index, but in the future I’ll probably look into the project beyondex strap to get the index speakers working with it
For me, wireless is the big selling point. As far as I know room scale tracking is still a thing. In the hands on video from tested.com you can see the host walking around, with the play area displayed at a fixed spot
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I want the wireless phovated streaming. I’m hoping I can use it in my backyard to have a huge play space. I also like the idea of using it as a linux “spatial computer”. IDK how well that’s going to work. I might still use my index for seated VR stuff where any drift would be noticeable.
Same. I sold mine nearly a year ago in anticipation. Can’t wait to spend a dumb amount of money on a new toy.
I never was very hyped about VR, but the Steam Deck has liberated me from my office chair, and I suspect the frame will be an extension of this freedom for me. As soon as I can pre-order one, I will. I’ve been saving my money for this thing since the first announcement.
I think I’m gonna buy this second hand this time.
I’ve always bought valve HW new and even preordered most of them, but in the current financial climate, I think I’m gonna wait a bit.
I do have a wifi7 access point already wired with this in mind, though.
Doesn’t it come with its own WiFi access point dongle thingy?
The dongle itself is WiFi 6. You need a WiFi 7 AP to use it without the dongle.
The dongle operates in the 6GHz band. It’s not necessarily WiFi 6, AFAIK.
Where was it confirmed that you’d need a WiFi 7 AP if you’re not using the dongle? The WiFi 7 standard doesn’t even need to come with 6Ghz (which is really stupid and confusing) so you could have WiFi 7 and still be limited to 2.4 / 5Ghz.
You’re right about 6ghz. I misunderstood that bit.
It does.
I’m dying to get back into VR, have around 150 VR games i’d like to get back into with controllers that aren’t drift prone.
Looking forward to dumping my annoying Quest 3 for the Frame!
Looking forward for it, both because the ARM support, since I no longer play on the Deck but on my Android tablet via Game Native, and, if not too expensive or scalpel, for the headset itself. I’m interested both in VR and in using it as Far for regular controller games on the couch.
