• gegil@sopuli.xyz
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    5 days ago

    More men should wear skirts and dresses. With right style even masculine men can look good with such clothes.

    And long hair. Long hair is so beautiful and sexy that everyone should grow long hair despite of the gender.

    • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      4 days ago

      I agree. Gender stereotypes suck. I feel like lots of men would love skirts if it was socially acceptable for them to wear them in more places. They’re way better than shorts when it’s hot.

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          4 days ago

          As long as your gender expression is channelled along very strictly defined lines that define what tartan to wear, how to wear it, which accessories are allowed / required with it, etc.

    • 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      5 days ago

      I run in circles where dudes semiregularly wear kilts.

      I’ve sat in a circle with other dudes where they were comparing brands of utility kilts. Lol

      There are folks out there that wear them. It’s just not super fashionable in a lot of circles. Unfortunately.

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
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        4 days ago

        I have long hair, and it’s a major pain in the ass. Even though it’s in a braid 99% of the time, I still find long hairs everywhere. And, wrestling it into that braid is annoying because the only time it’s at all manageable is when it’s still wet from the shower. I can’t get a brush / comb through it any other time.

        The main reason I stick with it is that I really hate hair styling sprays and gels, and I think parted hair looks really stupid. So, my choices are either very long and tied back, or very, very short.

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      5 days ago

      There’s a man’s skirt sitting in my Etsy favorites for so long. It’s scary to pioneer something like this but it’s so tempting at the same time.

      • 🐝bownage [they/he]@beehaw.org
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        5 days ago

        Buy it and start small! Debut it for friends indoors, get the validation and confidence and slowly start working your way up to wearing it outdoors :3

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      4 days ago

      In the 60s and 70s, feminists fought for the idea that people should feel free to dress and act however they wanted and not let their gender define them.

      It seems like we’ve taken some steps backwards since then. Men wearing dresses is more accepted now, but only in the narrow confines of being trans. I don’t think Kobain or Bowie ever wanted to be defined as trans, they just wanted to be themselves and challenge cultural norms.

      • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        It seems like we’ve taken some steps backwards since then. Men wearing dresses is more accepted now, but only in the narrow confines of being trans. I don’t think Kobain or Bowie ever wanted to be defined as trans, they just wanted to be themselves and challenge cultural norms.

        I wouldn’t agree with that wording, it’s more like people see wearing a dress or a skirt as something that makes you a woman (or woman-adjacent). They don’t see it as socially acceptable for a man to wear a dress or skirt not because they think it’s unacceptable but because they see him as a woman, or wanting to be a woman. Trans women aren’t men wearing dresses, trans women are women, who sometimes wear dresses.

        The conflict here is that men (or masculine/androgynous enbies) who wear dresses aren’t women and don’t see themselves as such. So other people seeing them as women or wanting to be women for their fashion choices sucks. I agree that Kurt Kobain and David Bowie if they were alive today probably wouldn’t want to be defined as trans. Many GNC people today face hardship because society expects them to want to be women due to how they dress. Although I have noticed that getting better. Egging and Egg culture is way less acceptable these days, and most people in the community can recognize how nasty it is to dismiss someone’s identity and call them the wrong pronouns on purpose. 4 years ago I wouldn’t be so sure of that because it happened so much in queer communities I felt unsafe being open about my gender non-conformity online.

      • Jorunn (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneM
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        There’s a sort of societal pressure to present as your gender when you’re trans simply because it’s safer and the alternative is often being misgendered and marginalized. it’s also really scary to change presentation early on so early in the transition is when you’ll see many sort of “overcorrect” and go overly femme or masc, but many are perfectly happy to be gender non-conforming, and many try less hard as they get more comfortable with themselves.

        There’s also the growing trend of femboys or guys that present more feminine, and I see guys painting their nails more than before these days.

        I think a celebrity making a gesture or doing something symbolically is really cool, but at the end of the day the real signs of a cultural shift is what regular people are doing casually, and to me it feels like there’s something shifting, even if it’s slow going and there’s pushback.

        PS the trans dress thing sounds sort of accidentally transphobic, but looking at your profile I don’t think that was intentional and is just an issue of phrasing.

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          I’ve noticed that many people don’t really care that much when I present feminine in public, and that it’s also the same for many other femboys as well. So I think public perception of it is at least neutral. Things are getting better these days, even if it is slow. I think that until people are doing it casually though it’ll always be seen as something fringe or queer. Not necessarily a bad thing, but not widely accepted as normal like how women wearing pants is.

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      everyone should […]

      Is also where everything goes down the drain and social pressure starts to crush people.

      My younger me would’ve stated that everyone should wear hoodies, jeans and short hair.

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        I get what are you trying to tell, but when i talked about everyone getting long hair, i mostly meant men, and how they should be more open to it. Its fine if people want to have long or short hair, but for men specifically, long hair is considered gay in my country, which is unfortunally homophobic, and ive heard stories about boys being bullied and even beaten in schools just because of long hair.

        So it turns out kind of opposite. Men are socially pressured into having short hair, and generally “not being gay” in homophobic way.

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      I’ve thought about it sometimes, But when my hair starts to reach about 4-5 cm in length, i start getting itchy, sweaty, hair gets fatty and i start shedding scales like crazy…

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    Before I came out as transfemme, I was in the city of Manaus in Brazil, traveling during Carnaval. Manaus is not terribly popular with foreigners, and I stood out as very white, very American, and very blonde, so lots of people would stare, want to talk with me, randomly touch my long hair, etc. All normal travel things.

    During a concert however three guys were actively watching and inspecting me, all turned away from the stage to do so. They’d turn to talk to each other, and then turn right back to stare at me. Not so normal, and I was getting a little spooked and thinking about an exit plan, when they all came right up to me with a phone out.

    One shouted over the crowd as he showed me his phone, “This you?!” and showed me a picture of Kurt Cobain. Hilarious, and seeing Kurt in a dress of course is even funnier now in hindsight. I said no, pointed out that he was dead, shook a couple hands, and they wandered off. Fun times.

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    okay but are those jorts underneath the dress?

    I get wearing some shorts underneath for safety, believe me. I remember being a smol femboy insecure about my body and posture. but jorts? jorts‽

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      ??? please dont egg dead people, egging is rude to begin with. he never said he’s trans, and never wanted people to analyze his psychology, so listen to his wishes

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        On the one hand, we should always be cautious never to conclude anything about another person’s gender on their behalf.

        On the other hand, it’s a lot more than one photo. And I’m not just talking about the fact that there’s literally multiple photos from multiple shows. Kurt’s family found a pretty sizeable collection of women’s clothes and makeup in his home. There are multiple interviews where he talks about feeling closer to the feminine side of the human experience or how he always tended to gravitate more towards having female friends, lots of stuff like that.

        There’s also supposedly an early draft of All Apologies - supposed because the document exists but some people contend the authenticity - with the line “Let me grow some breasts.”

        None of this is conclusive and should not be read as such, but anyone who has seen someone struggling with their gender is going to have a hard time coming to any other conclusion. Given Kurt’s obvious struggles with self-worth and eventual suicide, it’s hard not to see a painfully familiar pattern playing out here.

        I disagree with people who posthumously assign him she/her pronouns and insist on categorically stating he was trans - that’s just as much misgendering as it would be to deny a trans person’s identity - but I think it’s a pretty reasonable assumption all told.

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          Or…maybe he was just a femboy yk
          Maybe, maybe not but it’s still a possibility that many in this comment section seem to forget