• Waterpumpee@lemmus.org
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    In the defense of the North Korea outrage, they lobotomised the kid and sent the dying body back to US.

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      IIRC some experts said that most likely his state was causes by reaction to medicine or something. North Korea prefers to exchange American prisoners for something rather than simply kill them.

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        He wasn’t literally surgically lobotomized no - but he did have extremely severe neurological damage from an unknown source which put him in a vegetative state that he never regained consciousness from. If it was done by DPRK intentionally or not isn’t known, but he did suffer those injuries during his time imprisoned under their supervision, and generally it’s held that harm to a prisoner is the fault of the captor.

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          Yes, that’s not “North Korea lobotomising him”. Hence fake news. A lobotomy cuts off the front of the brain

          It would be the first time North Korea has harmed an American in this context and it’s pretty likely to be unintentional if they wanted to trade prisoners

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            What a tedious semantic argument. An inaccurate use of a term in an informal setting that nonetheless quite accurately describes the symptoms he experienced, is not fake news - it’s not even news, it’s an internet comment. It’s been corrected now.

            it’s pretty likely to be unintentional

            It’s generally unintentional to beat someone and have them wind up in a vegetative state.

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              See the other comment from someone else, they were not beaten at all and the one anonymous report that he was appears to be fabricated

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                The beating the previous comment or is referring to isn’t a real beating, it’s figurative to make a point. Intentional or not, it happened and NK is responsible for the outcome. Just like the US is responsible for what happens to the foreign nationals we imprisoned.

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                  “Didn’t they beat the guy so badly he had brain damage and died?”

                  Is that not what this person is saying?

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                    I’m not sure I understand, I don’t think ryannathans (or anyone else in this chain) is saying that at all?

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        It’s bizarre to see somebody believe that not only will a former Olympic athlete be sentenced for touching paint but to honestly believe he could be beaten into brain damage and die from it.

        Chances are the guy walks away scot free and then sues the US Government.

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          Sure it’s bizarre to see somebody believe that, but it’s because it is so easy to believe with all the shit going on, not because it’s something difficult to believe.

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          Wait until you find out what the current regime and its supporters thinks about being able to sue for violating the constitution.

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            Frankly, I don’t care what the buffoon thinks.

            We took his name off the Kennedy building, we’re suing comanies for AI racial bias, we blocked his DOJ from collecting trans medical records, and we just told his ICE to fuck off from immigration hearing locations.

            The courts aren’t completely corrupted yet and they are still in charge.

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              The courts aren’t completely corrupted yet and they are still in charge.

              You sure about that? I’d lto have faith in the rule of law, but the trump admin is increasingly ignoring court orders, despite the public wins you mentioned.

              I really feel like we’re going to see the admin trot out the apocryphal Andrew jackson quote of ‘the courts have made their decision, let them enforce it’ in the next year or so.

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          More things that you wouldn’t have thought possible in polite society have been happening in recent years.