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TW😶NKS

A comic in four panels:

Panel 1. White text on black

AI Design Logic

Panel 2. A guy sits in a restaurant at a table with a checkered table cloth. A waiter stands near, hands behind back waiting attentively.

Guy: Get me a cheese pizza

Panel 3. The waiter returns with a pizza in hand.

Panel 4. The guy gestures proudly at the pizza. The waiter looks less than amused.

Guy: Wow, look what I made!

    • Zephyr@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      3 months ago

      Not every art piece is even physical or tangible in any sense. The art is in the conception or the idea. There is indeed a skill in constructing models as well as using them but ignoring all of that there’s still the artistic touch in creating thought provoking or impassioned concepts irrespective of the tangible form they’ve been given. Although one can most definitely use a medium to impart meaning.

      It was never my argument that people who have issues with new technology are necessarily luddites or that AI or really any technology whatsoever is absolutely problem free. Everything has its pros and cons, for example nuclear gave us access to functionally limitless clean (compared to coal and gas) energy as well as more powerful weapons. One unavoidable rule or law of reality is we don’t get something for nothing.

      Ultimately what is and is not art was, is, and will be an open question each individual has to answer for themselves. Even today an individual is free to view photography not as a legitimate art form or digital art or CGI and so on.

        • Zephyr@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          3 months ago

          I mean if two painters make similar enough strokes with similar enough paint you get two essentially identical paintings. Hunting the solution space for an NN can be like working through all orderings of a card deck, that’s to say very far from as trivial as you’re making it sound and about as silly as the example I gave above.

          I’m not sure exploring just a few examples in the ocean of essentially infinite examples or analogies does much for us both beyond picking something and arguing which is more accurate. Obviously you’re arguing the more useless examples are more accurate and I’m arguing NN have real world use and vakue as shown at least by alpha fold. I would say your basis of argument is more incorrect from the reality we’re sharing and I’m well aware of the pros and cons of what we’re dealing with.

          Neural networks are a valuable technology for humanity, to say otherwise is to be blind to reality. That said there’s plenty of actually legitimate arguments one could wage about their current development and use.

          Tldr: you be hating too hard, chill my friend.

    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      3 months ago

      His analogy works perfectly fine and is actually incredibly apt. Photography did threaten a large number of painters livelihoods.

      After the grand scale AI is. But that’s more a matter of how things are just on a grander scale as we have become more connected in more optimized as time has gone on.

      Technological improvements tend to be larger than those that preceded them when it comes to replacement and displacement.

      And if you’re going to put the bar of art as simply eliciting a human emotion reaction or feeling. Then by your own definition AI generated art is art.

      It generates all sorts of emotions, reactions, feelings, Thoughts, Arguments, considerations and philosophizing all across the world.

      Ai art has probably been one of the largest points in the last couple hundred years in which this many people have genuinely stopped and considered. What is art.

      I’m not a big fan of AI art at all, but I’m also not a big fan of trying to discredit something just because you don’t emotionally agree with it. I would wholeheartedly agree that 99.99% of all AI art is low effort slop and absolute trash. But I wouldn’t discredit anyone who actually attempts to do something legitimate with it.

      Functionally the entire argument against AI art being art is the same one against photography or modern art not being art.