Comic: https://www.deathbulge.com/comics/441

Alt text: Yeah yeah, there's always exceptions, I mean look no further than the game in the 2nd panel, not the most thrilling gameplay, is it?

  • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
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    3 days ago

    I mean… if you only have a console (or even worse: only a Smartphone) I get why it looks like that to people. Some people apparently don’t even have a PC or laptop anymore.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      I’m genuinely upset at how miserable the mobile scene is compared to the rest.

      I’ve got a phone that’s orders of magnitude above a TurboGrafx or a Game Gear, but 95% of the games are GACHA crap or so ad bloated as to be unplayable.

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        Yeah, it’s abysmal. I still rock a OnePlus 7 Pro from 2019 with /e/OS, that damn thing can run Crysis (I tried, works with Winlator - lots of compatibility bugs though). The SoCs are so powerful Valve designs a whole stand-alone VR system around it able to play full-blown PC titles. Modern phones got crazy performance.

        Good games without all the extorsion money simply can’t compete in the attention game though and people won’t pay money for something worthwhile if there’s a storm of crap “for free”. The internet and digital spaces in general got utterly broken by surveillanve capitalism. But, you see… it’s for ✨the economy✨.

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          Personally a big thing that holds me back from even seriously considering mobile gaming as an extension to normal gaming instead of “the best you can do when you don’t have access to better devices” is the input side. I hate touchscreen controls for anything with real time action because touching the screen obscures it from view, plus you don’t get the tactile feedback of buttons that makes it trivial to play without needing to readjust your finger positions constantly.

          And I know there are external controllers you can use with phones, but if I’m making space (and remembering to bring) one of those, I might as well just bring my steam deck or even the switch instead.

          • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.world
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            I mean, yeah, why not bring a dedicated device, but the shit you can do with a phone and a controller is not unimpressive. I’ve got anything and everything psx and before emulated (including SCUMM and DOS, so I could play old lucasarts or sierra games. Fuck if I remember how to do that. Something on fdroid) on a oneplus 7 pro and galaxy s3.

            • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
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              I think the money aspect is a big one with this. Someone with a Steam Deck and/or Switch doesn’t see the need (well, Switch maybe unless it’s jailbroken), but if you just want something and money is tight then a new 50€ controller and your existing phone gets you way further.

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                  I have a GameSir G4 and it’s trash, utterly awful input lag and the connection never worked correctly with any device other than Android either. Basically unusable without a cable, I’d never recommend their stuff.

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                    Huh. I always figured it was the emulators, but I never played anything that required precise inputs anyways so it wasn’t that much of a problem when you’re playing xenogears

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          people won’t pay money for something worthwhile if there’s a storm of crap “for free”.

          I’ve got the first six FFs, which were remastered and released on Mobile. Got me through lockdown, when I was just trapped in a socially distanced office with nothing to do.

          Like, it’s definitely possible to make - and sell - a good game that works well on a phone.

          The internet and digital spaces in general got utterly broken by surveillanve capitalism.

          Ain’t that the fucking truth.

        • Lemmayng@lemmy.world
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          3 days ago

          It’s unfortunate that the attention economy is what sells the existence of these indies in the first place.

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        3 days ago

        Well, as a consolation prize, you can run PPSSPP on Android, Linux, and possibly iPhone. You can also find archived ISOs for pretty much every PSP game ever made such as Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, Monster Hunter Portable 3rd, Crash Twin Racing, Phantasy Star 2, etc.

        Link to ISOs

    • carrylex@lemmy.world
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      if you only have a console

      … then your an idiot in the first place.

      If you spent $700+ on a gaming only device that you can’t use for most “PC activities” (office, banking, browsing the web, etc), than you obviously set your priorities wrong.

      Most indie games run on 10 year old budget laptops/PCs and you can get them definetly cheaper than a console.

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        Do you know how goddamn cheap an old console can be? It’s insane value for money for entertainment. You do not have to buy the latest console. I played Star Wars Racer for hours the other day with my nephew, on the old Nintendo 64 in my games cupboard, gathering dust but still working perfectly.

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              Of course you can buy a 15 year old console for $50 or something like this. But will it run any modern games? Obviously no.

              I can also probably buy a 15 year old PC for the same price, install Linux and use it as a daily driver and maybe even run some modern Indie games.

              So really not sure what’s your point in this discussion when you change the starting point…

    • ApollosArrow@lemmy.world
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      A lot of great games have been ported to phones. Then you have emulation. I am playing games up until 3DS on a 6yr old phone with a blue tooth remote that sticks to the back of my phone.

      • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.world
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        Do you have the screen vertical or two screens horizontal? I’ve been trying to get through a run of radiant historia and I keep falling apart because I can’t get the screens lined up right

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          I’ve been doing the screen vertical. I have an McCon that can change the direction you place the phone on the remote.

    • k0e3@lemmy.ca
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      Even if you only have a console, it’s really not THAT bad especially if you’re not a conscious consumer. Like my kids love their Switch 2 games because they don’t really know any better yet. They see me playing different games on my PC or even indies on the Switch and look genuinely interested so I’ll get them to play those soon enough to expand their horizons (and eventually let them know how shitty a company Nintendo truly is lol).

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        But Switch exclusives are amazing anyway. 1st party Nintendo games are almost always good. And ever since Switch 1, pretty much all of the indie games are available on the platform. And since indie games don’t really need powerful hardware, it’s a great experience.

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          The quality is good, I give that to them. But their pricing, ownership model and especially opinion about copyright is abysmal (weren’t they the ones trying to patent relative motion?). Nintendo has some genuinely good artists and engineers who clearly love their job but they take the carrot-and-stick approach to the extreme and it’s disgusting.

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        Just sucks without physical buttons. Using button on the screen covers things up and is much harder to use.

        • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
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          There are a few really good gamepads (or smartphone holders for e.g. Dualshock).

          Taking a premium phone from a few years ago and slapping a controller on it genuinely makes an awesome mobile console. And inbetween all the garbage there even are a few really good native games, such as the remastered GTA Trilogy.

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          Agreed. Some emulators do have the option for haptic feedback via the vibrations. Which still isnt ideal but i found it quite useable for certain types of games.

          Or you just buy a bt/usb controller for 20-50 bucks. A few phones even have usb-c dp alt mode and you can enjoy the games on the big screen.