I have family that supports all the awful shit going on in my country right now (US). They tell me it’s just politics, and that I’m wrong to stop talking to them.
The gamers I play with all openly talk about how wrong Trump and his administration is. We used to try to be apolitical, but the second term opened the flood gates. It is no longer moral to not talk about everything going on.
I disagree about the large overlap. It overlaps with a very loud minority that wants to take over the gaming space, same as they tried with the metal and goth fans in the early 2000 in my area. Don’t fall for this shit. Most gamers nowadays are well balanced normal human beings.
That’s funny. You’d think being right wing would not align with being goth.
I knew some goths who were mostly apolitical, and so possibly susceptible to a small portion of that mindset (like I could maybe see a bit of manly manosphere type stuff) but in general that does not align with being anti establishment, which was, at least in the 90s, a large aspect of goth culture.
nazis don’t care about the values embedded in the culture before they show up, and they won’t listen to your critiques on how they don’t fit. nazis don’t hear nothing except bats and boots.
There was a large push in europe around the 2000,2010s by the neofolk chuds, trying to push into the goth scene. they were largely unsuccessful.
Edit: They were mainly trying to push the Nazi look to be accepted in the goth scene - Long leather mantles, Brownshirt and Tradwive shit. The Goths didn’t take the bait.
I really don’t think so man. Sarkeasian was on to something when they said the media we consume shapes us and having lived the media zeitgeist of the early 2000’s I can tell you we lived in a factory for making entitled little shitheads. There’s a reason why they got so roided up at her specifically and it’s because she read the industry for filth
Sarkeesian was specifically trying to rile the rightwing chuds up. I applaud her for making that awful segment of gamers visible, so we all could see what was hidden there, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that there were a lot of gamers - i would even say a majority - that weren’t part of this shitstorm.
I never was against Sarkeesian, even tho she wasn’t really speaking for me, but she made a part of gamer culture visible that was at that time hiding beneath the surface. Gaming society at large also made clear that they don’t want that kind of conduct to be the standard. It took a while, but if you filter out the loud majority that rages against everything they decide is woke, you can see that most gamers don’t want to be associated with this hateful crap.
That’s a new take to me. Literally not trying to sealion here, but I actually want to know how that has come about. That would make me reconsider some things.
She wasn’t really speaking to me either, I played games that had the tropes she was talking about but it really didn’t change how I feel about them. I thought she was looking at the nature of writing, not games themselves. Or even if it was, just kind of an insane thing to go to Breitbart and Maga over
The industry made a certain kind of thing financially successful and culturally dominant. I’m sorry you feel like that’s a moral judgment on you, it doesn’t change what happened
ok i am NOT normal, because most of my day consists of testing some games on my PC. But i gotta say that most people who are into gaming nowadays don’t fit the cliche of “recluse NEET gamer” anymore.
So if you don’t wanna feel normal, you are free to do so, as long as you aren’t a piece of shit my dude ;-)
i don’t think many people who played games at the time were heavily invested in gamergate, but the gamergate gamers were a very loud and toxic minority. that’s often who is being talked about when you say gamer, not the average person who plays games. it’s the difference between gamer (neutral) and gamer (derogatory)
I probably game too much, even as an elderly old man. I still call myself a gamer AND want Steve Bannon and all his diet nazis to die in the most humiliating and embarrassing way possible… crushed by frozen poop falling from a plane sounds fun.
This is what nazis do. Take good or innocuous things and pervert them. All they do is destroy.
I’ll still keep calling myself a gamer while respecting your desire to distance yourself from scum.
a subset of people are pieces of shit. Lots of people are gamers. Grandmas are gamers. Grandpas are gamers. School teachers are gamers. Doctors are gamers. CEOs call themselves gamers too. Cops are gamers. ICE chuds are gamers.
There’s not. I’ve never heard of gamergate before this thread and I know I’m not alone. I’ve probably referred to myself as a gamer before as it’s shorter than saying I play video games.
Yeah, i am a gamer i don’t give a fuck about what the right is trying to push regarding identity politics or “the woke left”. Even as a long time gamer i believe that love has nothing to do with gender or specific body parts, it all comes down to personal preference and the freedom to choose what you are looking for. don’t just pin this on the gamers please.
There are plenty of gamers who do and are especially toxic. Your post reads like a ‘not all men’. There’s nothing wrong with targeting a vocal subset, it doesn’t invalidate any other group.
All inclusive statements like this, are in fact lazy and stupid. Using them automaticly makes you wrong. And it makes you vulnerable to equally stupid retorts like not all men. They are unforced errors in public discourse.
If you want to target a vocal subset, that’s great! Do that instead.
This is unrelated to gamers.
There are plenty non-gamers who think like this.
There are plenty of gamers who don’t.
This is just a subset of people.
Yup.
I have family that supports all the awful shit going on in my country right now (US). They tell me it’s just politics, and that I’m wrong to stop talking to them.
The gamers I play with all openly talk about how wrong Trump and his administration is. We used to try to be apolitical, but the second term opened the flood gates. It is no longer moral to not talk about everything going on.
Gamer since 1982 (both D&D box set and Apple ][)… fuck these manbaby chuds.
It’s a subset of people that overlaps with gamers in a big way. See: gamergate
See: Survivorship Bias
I disagree about the large overlap. It overlaps with a very loud minority that wants to take over the gaming space, same as they tried with the metal and goth fans in the early 2000 in my area. Don’t fall for this shit. Most gamers nowadays are well balanced normal human beings.
That’s funny. You’d think being right wing would not align with being goth.
I knew some goths who were mostly apolitical, and so possibly susceptible to a small portion of that mindset (like I could maybe see a bit of manly manosphere type stuff) but in general that does not align with being anti establishment, which was, at least in the 90s, a large aspect of goth culture.
laughs in ancient punk
nazis don’t care about the values embedded in the culture before they show up, and they won’t listen to your critiques on how they don’t fit. nazis don’t hear nothing except bats and boots.
There was a large push in europe around the 2000,2010s by the neofolk chuds, trying to push into the goth scene. they were largely unsuccessful.
Edit: They were mainly trying to push the Nazi look to be accepted in the goth scene - Long leather mantles, Brownshirt and Tradwive shit. The Goths didn’t take the bait.
I really don’t think so man. Sarkeasian was on to something when they said the media we consume shapes us and having lived the media zeitgeist of the early 2000’s I can tell you we lived in a factory for making entitled little shitheads. There’s a reason why they got so roided up at her specifically and it’s because she read the industry for filth
You gotta split that up.
Sarkeesian was specifically trying to rile the rightwing chuds up. I applaud her for making that awful segment of gamers visible, so we all could see what was hidden there, but at the same time you have to acknowledge that there were a lot of gamers - i would even say a majority - that weren’t part of this shitstorm.
I never was against Sarkeesian, even tho she wasn’t really speaking for me, but she made a part of gamer culture visible that was at that time hiding beneath the surface. Gaming society at large also made clear that they don’t want that kind of conduct to be the standard. It took a while, but if you filter out the loud majority that rages against everything they decide is woke, you can see that most gamers don’t want to be associated with this hateful crap.
That’s a new take to me. Literally not trying to sealion here, but I actually want to know how that has come about. That would make me reconsider some things.
She wasn’t really speaking to me either, I played games that had the tropes she was talking about but it really didn’t change how I feel about them. I thought she was looking at the nature of writing, not games themselves. Or even if it was, just kind of an insane thing to go to Breitbart and Maga over
Meanwhile, Im just trying to earn bells so my little duck guy can have a fancy new bridge in animal crossing.
Animal Crossing is pretty nontoxic. Also it just wasn’t in the cultural zeitgeist at all during the G4 guygaming era and that’s probably related
Its a bad example of “reading the industry for filth” because the entirety of the industry isn’t filth.
The industry made a certain kind of thing financially successful and culturally dominant. I’m sorry you feel like that’s a moral judgment on you, it doesn’t change what happened
I guess this series of comments goes to show how little you know of the gaming industry and its cultural impact.
Capitalist pig
How dare you call me normal
lol
ok i am NOT normal, because most of my day consists of testing some games on my PC. But i gotta say that most people who are into gaming nowadays don’t fit the cliche of “recluse NEET gamer” anymore.
So if you don’t wanna feel normal, you are free to do so, as long as you aren’t a piece of shit my dude ;-)
What the hell is gamergate?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate
It coincided with the moment Facebook stopped being fun, due to all the reactionary boomers moving in.
Epstein funded chud movement. Started from 4chan. This video explains it in detail
i don’t think many people who played games at the time were heavily invested in gamergate, but the gamergate gamers were a very loud and toxic minority. that’s often who is being talked about when you say gamer, not the average person who plays games. it’s the difference between gamer (neutral) and gamer (derogatory)
I literally don’t call myself a gamer anymore because I don’t want to be associated with that trash.
They can have the term, quite frankly, playing video games isn’t a personality but I like the idea of clearly identifying the people that think it is.
I don’t know how I feel about it.
I probably game too much, even as an elderly old man. I still call myself a gamer AND want Steve Bannon and all his diet nazis to die in the most humiliating and embarrassing way possible… crushed by frozen poop falling from a plane sounds fun.
This is what nazis do. Take good or innocuous things and pervert them. All they do is destroy.
I’ll still keep calling myself a gamer while respecting your desire to distance yourself from scum.
that’s a good mindset to have
a subset of people are pieces of shit. Lots of people are gamers. Grandmas are gamers. Grandpas are gamers. School teachers are gamers. Doctors are gamers. CEOs call themselves gamers too. Cops are gamers. ICE chuds are gamers.
perhaps there’s a difference between
people who play games
and
those with the identity of gamer
There’s not. I’ve never heard of gamergate before this thread and I know I’m not alone. I’ve probably referred to myself as a gamer before as it’s shorter than saying I play video games.
A majority of people are gamers now.
The subset of people who are like this, are a small minority; Both among gamers and the general population.
Gamergate included a small fraction of one gaming type, at best.
Yeah, i am a gamer i don’t give a fuck about what the right is trying to push regarding identity politics or “the woke left”. Even as a long time gamer i believe that love has nothing to do with gender or specific body parts, it all comes down to personal preference and the freedom to choose what you are looking for. don’t just pin this on the gamers please.
There are plenty of gamers who do and are especially toxic. Your post reads like a ‘not all men’. There’s nothing wrong with targeting a vocal subset, it doesn’t invalidate any other group.
All inclusive statements like this, are in fact lazy and stupid. Using them automaticly makes you wrong. And it makes you vulnerable to equally stupid retorts like not all men. They are unforced errors in public discourse.
If you want to target a vocal subset, that’s great! Do that instead.