even though I don’t have any arm devices I’m kinda excited about that steam-os-like arm distro
Don’t worry windows. You may be back as a small virtual machine for some obscure rarely used reason.
Just got my printer working so even my virtual Windows can go away now 🥳
Sadly, I’ll be doing the same because the software I need to configure my mouse, keyboard, and controllers don’t support linux. They run in wine, but they can’t see the peripherals.
Namely: running software.
(JK JK I swear I’ll switch as soon as I’m not fighting abject poverty and can afford a hard drive, internet, etc.)
The last winblows in this house is on (one of three) its own disk on a t440p, just in case a piece of shit needs a firmware update, and I dread that moment, last time I needed it was an 8BitDo , now in the hands of my kiddo on Bazzite (thank Athena I now have a steam controller). Not sure what I’m saying other than let the BIOS do the switching and may you never need to boot windows again.
I wish I didn’t have a purpose for Windows. I need to dual boot because I can’t get FL studio on my Steamdeck.
I don’t have a Steamdeck, but to be the linux guy of music software: you tried Reaper, yet?
Have you tried stuff like WINE? I thought I’d heard of people using FL Studio without much issue, but I may be confusing it with another program.
What is so precious on Linux that you cannot do on Windows? Dynamic Tiling? - Komorebi. TUI file manager? -Yazi. Custom themes, and bars? -Yep. Bash? -Yep (along with uutils). GPU accelerated terminal emulator? - multiple including Windows Terminal.
What you’re giving up on Linux is most professional industry standard productivity software, and many of the games real gamers actually want to play (not all crap that pirates collect). You’re giving up security by default (Arch, Gentoo and the like along with TWMs will have people storing browser passwords in the equivalent of a text file for just one example). You give up an OS that evolved to deal better without ECC memory (todays Windows is far more resilient to bitflips).
Even FOSS software runs better on Windows. VLC causing Linux to seize was just one of many examples.
So yes, I agree that for 99.9% of people, dual booting is a waste of disk space.
I gave up the dependency on TPM 2.0
> What is so precious on Linux that you cannot do on Windows?
Stay private and technologically independent.
Propaganda.
@madthumbs Have you noticed where you are, lol?
what does it matter?
Just peek at his profile and it will all make sense.
TL;DR don’t feed the troll.
@orlyowl The guy be like
I think you have misunderstood my comment in some fundamental way.
If you do everything right. For most people you’re just standing there with your dick, or clam, out.
Turn that on its head.
What is so precious on Windows that you cannot do on Linux?
Sell my telemetry to the highest bidder? Give me ads in my desktop? Force AI into every request i make? Capture images of everything I do and store them against my wishes so that malware can come in and access that? You want to be the target of practically every worm/virus/botnet out there? You want what is demonstrably the worst history of security for any desktop OS with one of the most bypassed antivirus systems in existence?
What you’re giving up with Windows are a few handfulls of games with kernel-level anti-cheat that already fail to keep people from cheating. You want to play Roblox right? It’s FULL of players, you must! Fortnight? Super important titles.
Of course then you have things like Outlook that are already being replaced by Electron apps that exactly the same on linux in a browser.
So yes, I agree that for 99.9% of people, dual booting is a waste of disk space.
Right, The only people concerned about Telemetry are conspiracy theorists. The other 80% of people don’t care, and a good amount of them understand that it’s used for improving software.
What Linux advocates call ads are introductions to features and things that would benefit them, and they’re far easier to turn off than switching OSes.
Many of us have been using Windows without ever encountering a virus. -I went out of my way to get one so I could test my skills on it (only time and I’m 55).
There are far more than just ‘kernel level AC games’. We’ve seen this propaganda for years while Proton keeps realease new compatibility updates. Also, even your Linux loving LTT called ProtonDB a what? Only recently did WINE (not Proton) fix the frame timing issue that made some games unbeatable mid-game (far worse than not working).
Most people aren’t bothering with an email client these days.
Right, The only people concerned about Telemetry are conspiracy theorists.
You can call me a conspiracy theorist, I can say you’re a paid troll. That’s easy, this is a fun game.
and a good amount of them understand that it’s used for improving software.
linking a linux sucks community, SURELY that is full of nothing but good intensions and good solid facts.
What Linux advocates call ads are introductions to features and things that would benefit them,
I cannot wait to start benefitting from “7 tips for handling hot summer hikes”, or “Get Skype”, or “Rousey more than ‘most dominate athelete’”
Many of us have been using Windows without ever encountering a virus.
Most of us, of working age in offices the early 00’s have numerous zero day worms. There was no protection.
We’ve seen this propaganda f
The gall of you to call out propaganda, while pointing to a windows propaganda site, while cherry-picking and spilling out bald-faced lies in your post.
Proton keeps realease new compatibility updates.
Tell me, do you want improving software or not, you’re giving out some real mixed signals.
Only recently did WINE (not Proton) fix the frame timing issue that made some games unbeatable mid-game (far worse than not working).
Wine also makes numerous games run at a higher frame rate than windows. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47507150
The real difference is not only is stuff running faster, they’ll keep releasing updates for shit that gets broken, that’s part of understanding how to improve software.
Most people aren’t bothering with an email client these days.
55 and already retired? Man that must be nice.
I have’t seen a company in 50 years that doesn’t use email. And, wasn’t the use of corporate software that doesn’t run in linux one of your primary propaganda targets? You really need to make up your mind on that one.
This is a great example of a comment that wasted energy for no good reason at all, you could have spent it all in your industry standard productivity game instead and nothing would have changed
“real gamers” lmao
If you don’t respect the bootloader, you don’t get a seat at the table.
There’s a chance I’d still have a windows install alongside Linux, if windows would just mind its own business.
I did dual booting for a month just to make sure there wasn’t a single use case for windows left. Not ONE use case for me.
Just so ppl aren’t dissapointed Daws like ableton and fl studio don’t have support (Reaper and Bitwig do tho, some others too)
Visual programs like touch designer and resolume don’t work (seen workarounds but they have issues)
Davinci resolve may crash, it worked fine on arch but on bazzite it freezes my pc when loading projects
On the gaming side obv there are the games that won’t function without anticheat like wrc, iracing, f1, etc. No game pass ofc.
I still wouldn’t swap back to windows and I barely use it, maybe once a month if I really want to use something not on Linux.
Main downside is lack of piracy. Houdinifx should work fine on linux natively, but lacks a crack. So even if the paid software does work, if you pirate to use this stuff as a hobby than you’ll have to swap to something like Blender/Inkscape that is free and works on linux. Only crack I’ve found was for Davinci Resolve.
Linux has plenty of free and capable alternatives for paid software, I like that it has me using Foss more. Went from learning Houdini + Davinci to just sticking with Blender for my hobby visuals, not mad about it, prefer that I was forced to focus on one.
I did it for almost a year. Went back over once just to get files I missed moving the first time.
I was setting up some template VMs on a fresh Proxmox VE (VM server) yesterday. Total install and troubleshooting times for each template were as follows;
- Linux Mint Debian Edition - 20 minutes
- Windows 10 IOT LTSC - 3 hours
- Windows 11 IOT LTSV - 6 hours, with the benefit of lessons learned from the Win 10 install.
The amount of obscure configs I had to dig up just to get them going was disgusting. Also, why the fuck are so many drivers not in Win10/11 by default, yet Linux has no issue including them all at a fraction of the ISO size?
I believe it’s due to kernel philosophy.
Linux and Mac are a monolithic kernel, which I understand to mean that the entire OS runs in kernel space to operate the compatible hardware. This has the advantage of making sure the OS is in the drivers seat for resource management, and no individual program is easily able to overload the system and create instability, but it may limit the power of some programs and delay compatability of new hardware and software.
Windows, on the other hand, is a hybrid kernel, which means some functions are managed in user space so that a program has more control over the hardware. This can be useful for pushing gaming to the limit or running experimental/custom programs, but it can lead to instability from resource hungry programs or security vulnerabilities from Trojan horses.
As for why their ISO is huge, I s’pose it’s due to all the extra crap they throw in there like AI, pinball, and data collection stuff.
Apologies if I got something fundamentally wrong—there are plenty of bigger nerds than me on here—but that’s my best attempt at explaining the difference as well as I know it.
Windows, on the other hand, is a hybrid kernel, which means some functions are managed in user space so that a program has more control over the hardware.
Windows and Linux are both monolithic kernels, in the sense that most device drivers run in kernel mode with kernel privilege. They’re not like Mach or Hurd.
Windows outsourced their device driver development early on to the hardware manufacturers, and they encouraged closed-source drivers with separate source trees and builds. To facilitate this, Windows NT developed a system called plug-n-play (PnP) which searches for and loads driver modules (.sys files) from disk into the kernel.
Linux developed a similar system of loadable kernel modules (.ko files), but their system arrived much later. One reason is that Linux’s GPLv2 license mandates that driver source code be licensed under compatible terms. That and Linux has always been pretty open about accepting driver code into their main source tree. Finally, manufacturers were never interested early on in writing Linux drivers, so the driver development was being done by the community, which was already using the Linux source tree.
So Linux didn’t have as much pressure to develop a loadable module system. So they did it later.
To the present day, the majority of Linux device drivers are submitted to mainline Linux and go through the Linux review process. Windows drivers are mainly developed by third parties, but they do have to go through the Windows Hardware Quality Labs review and testing process.
Apple writes all their MacOS drivers internally, because they are also the hardware OEM.
Your standard off the shelf easy to setup Linux ISO (mint for example) is like 4 GB after install, it includes a whole office suite, a few games, screensavers, GIMP, and a whole bunch of software you may not ever realize is on there or even need.
Did you know many distros standard install includes the GNU C/C++ compiler? Do most people need the GNU compiler? No, but the whole OS and all these tools is already smaller than a barebones install of windows since microslop just ships bloat.
Didn’t they remove pinball from Windows?
It’s just like Microsoft to remove the one I might actually want out of those three. More pinball, less data collection!
There’s a Linux port of it on Flathub
Yeah I think it was removed in windows 7 or 8.
Well you see, if there are less drivers included there is more room for user friendly features, such as persistent ai intrusion. You probably also gonna update them anyway, might as well download fresh 😇
I think most other linux distros get the same treatment to be fair. I know I usually just nuke / and use the old /home
I back up /etc as well.
I’m too worried about config misconfigs to do that, I usually have a clean slate for /etc and then delete per user configs as I hit snags.
A pivotal moment in my life was when I first installed Linux to the entire hard disk instead of a separate partition.
My windows install is safely on a drive nicknamed “STORAGE”.
I use arch, btw.
For the noobs to Linux, heed the words of your endlers: don’t dual boot. The operating systems have a way of killing each other’s bootloaders. It might even run fine for a while, but then one day there will be an update and one OS will be unbootable. Not worth the risk as a noob. If you’re really worried you might need a Windows program, then just run a Windows VM within Linux. If you want to keep the option for gaming, then you could dual boot, but don’t do it on a work critical machine.
Dual boot is fine, you just need to choose some good options.
Method 1: Most recommended. use Refined as your boot loader and two drives, not partitions. This is the easiest, safest, and frankly nicest way to deal with this. At boot, before either system starts you get a nice graphical interface to choose which OS to go into.
Method 2: Partition style. Disable window fast startup. Disable windows hibernation (never hibernate windows before going into linux). Use UEFI and GPT no legacy methods. Don’t encrpyt windows with bitlocker.
That said, my desktop and traveling laptop have been windows free for years, I have no need for it, and your advice is the safest way overall. A vm in linux with virtualmanager works very well.
“But I need…” No you don’t. Commit and learn a new way to do the thing you swear you need Windows for.
How do I run my WMR kit on Linux to play modded Beat Saber? I can mod beat saber on Linux but I prefer to sweat in my WMR kit instead of my expensive Index.
I set up dual boot just in case, but I can’t remember the last time I even booted Windows. When I get a chance I’ll probably just nuke it.
literally the only reason I ever boot into WIndows now is for doing online exams for college that use spyware shit and throws a hissy fit if you’reon linux (both browser and app… well, if you can even get the testing app on Linux…)
I don’t want to tinker around with something that determines my entire grade nor do I want to take my test on a school device because there might be files and programs I need, so I just switch to my Windows partition for that awful 5 hrs or so. But once I graduate that shit is getting nuked.
My VR set up simply will not work in Linux yet, or at least not correctly. Once that’s fixed I’ll nuke my windows part
Yeah I’d done the same a while back just to play D2 (fucking Battle Eye), but found I just never booted into it and said fuck it I’ll live w/o games that have incompatible anti cheat.
I did dual booting for a long time, because ✨ proprietary drivers ✨ , To this day I can’t use my wifi (there’s no patch for now) or bluetooth, but it’s acceptable price for not being under microsoft’s feet
