“Capitalism breeds innovation.”
Also capitalism:
One of the biggest lie to keep the current system in place.
Private corporations parasite themselves into R&D paid for by the government and act like they invented the fire again.
The Internet is built on FOSS and got captured to be sold back to us.
Capitalism breeds innovation just like people leave their partner when they finally have enough to be abused.
Capitalism breeds protectionism.
No this was capitalism in action. Capitalism bred the innovation in TRON.
Governments getting involved and putting their thumb on the scales to control the economy is the opposite of capitalism.
Say the line!!
“That isn’t REAL captialism”
Lmao
Just like the dumbasses say “the Soviet Union wasn’t REAL communism”?
Except I’m correct. A government implementing protectionist policies to control economic sectors is not capitalist.
That tracks.
The more I learn about American history the more frustrated I become with our species in general. Our country could be so much more livable now, but for a handful of vulgarly wealthy people who only ever cared about number going up at any cost.
And to make it worse I’m reading a biography of John D. Rockefeller, so I’m about to hate our species just a tiny bit more.
All of our lives could be so much better. We should stop making dystopian futuristic movies, and start making hopeful ones that help people imagine how much BETTER things could be.
Solarpunk instead of Cyberpunk!
Yeah but nobody would watch it
Yeah let me find 20 million dollars to make that movie
It only costs like a few million, the rest is for embezzlement and fraud.
You can just vibe-direct it with AI for the irony! And the lulz!
(/s, please no one do this 😐)
We aren’t making any moves. We sit here and let them do it. They’re only human we can stop them
replaced the tree-structured directory hierarchy with an arbitrary directed graph.
TBH that sounds like a total nightmare
Yeah this OS would suck as soon as the 00s hit with the global Internet. This OS seems completely incompatible with how the world actually works and would probably collapse under its own design by the year 2010. A file is an arbitrary string of bytes. Removing the ability for the user to handle them like this is so obtuse. The reason why we can poke modern OSes the way we can is to prevent requiring a man-year of work every time we need a major new feature.
The idea was that every layer, from silicon to user interface, would be designed together, with no compatibility debt to existing platforms.
…which makes compatability debt between it and literally everything else.
I dunno, I kinda fw it. Like having a tag-based system for grouping files instead of nested folders does give me less anxiety in organizing everything, and it lessens the bloat due to duplicates
Look up what a hard link is
And once upon a time there were more than three PC graphics card makers. The paranoid schizo US really fucked up scientific and technological progress.
There also were more than two PC platforms (and we barely have two now; Apple was pretty close to going away too). I miss being the Atari ST guy in a circle of people who all had different types of computers. It didn’t last very long but it was way more fun.
They rose to the top because they were the only country that could still build things after the rest of the world got flattened in World War II. Then the rest of the world rebuilt itself so the only asset the US had left was economic inertia. They then proceeded to spend decades doing everything they could to increase the value of that inertia by using their influence to encourage policies that resulted the rich getting richer.
And now it’s over, well it might take a decade or so but Europe is rebuilt and the USA is shitting its pants(not because they’re scared, just because it seems).
And when the Eastern Bloc dissolved, government owned corporations got sold off to western ones, for pennies, all to be shut down in a few weeks. If not, usually they got boycotted, because the kids finally could buy western brands, which made you look cool among your peers.
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Is it available on the internet archive or a computer museum site to try out the UI?
I know web design isn’t really related to what the article is about, but if modern Japanese web design is anything to go by, good. Here’s some random product (a phone case) I clicked on from the biggest Japanese online store (Rakuten), roughly the equivalent of amazon. Let me know if the product info seems well organized and easy to read, and tell me how long it takes to find the section that you can choose a different color and model (hint: it’s not at the top or bottom of the page).
I dont speak Japanese. is it this?
Yeah that’s it. They like to put it in the middle of the page for some reason.
If you view it on mobile its right at the top under the price
Yeah on mobile I think it’s okay. Still a bit overloaded but a far cry from what Japanese web pages can be like on desktop browsers. Sometimes they’re like web design stopped in 1999 and since then all they did was add more blinky banners around the actual content.
It’s almost like they have another culture than North American or European…
And that culture is “random shit thrown all over webpages”? Japan still used a lot of faxes up until about 10 years ago. Maybe it’s just that old people are mostly in charge of things and the society is still largely catering to the whims of random old men who aged into their positions rather than earning them.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say, here. Why does Japanese preference for web marketing bother you that much?
What do you mean by “web marketing”? In most countries they’ve moved onto web 2.0, but Japan is still mostly stuck in the past and lots of their sites look worse than random angelfire webpages from 30 years ago.
Have you considered that Japanese consumers like it that way?
Have you considered that they don’t? Microsoft and google are all about anti consumer in service of ad revenue and selling user date in their products these days, but not many people are arguing that US consumers enjoy spyware and less functionality than we had 20 years ago.
Did someone ruin your day or something? What is your problem with web pages from another country? Why do you care?
Every other Japanese site I’ve looked at had a lot more information density than this. Looks like they’ve been plenty affected by crappy modern design.
Japanese customers genuinely do like it like that. Rakuten do A/B testing up the wazoo just like every other big ecommerce company.
I dunno, amazon japan doesn’t look anything like that and I’m sure they do just as much testing.
It looks exactly the same as Amazon in every other country. That’s a not a good counterpoint.
So amazon doesn’t do extensive testing in countries other than the US?
see now you’re just being argumentative and indulging in petty pedantic point-scoring mental gymnastics for its own sake.
how
ed: Allow me to expand: you think rakuten, a company with billions in revenue, does testing in the Japanese market, but amazon, another company with billions in revenue, refuses to do so? Who’s doing mental gymnastics here to preserve their idealized image of Japan?
No the point is that a Japanese focused company can optimise for a design that works best in Japan without having to consider how other people would interact with it.
A multinational like Amazon has to balance what works best in a particular market with retaining a consistent identity across markets and having shared functionality between different locations.
did it handle anything other than documents?
Something similar happened to Slovene Iskra Triglav computer which was quite advanced for the time (capable of running three different CPUs) but then caught in between US-Soviet cold war/embargo while trying to sell them to Soviet Union.
Three CPUs with different architectures on one device sounds crazy. That’s amazing.
PS3 comes to mind
Though in embedded, thats fairly normal.
I’ve got a $1 linux embedded SoC that has a 64 bit riscv core, a 32 bit riscv core for running realtime stuff and a low power embedded 6502 on it too because why not.
Original Nintendo DS had two different ARM CPUs for DS games and the same CPU the GBA had for direct compatibility.
6502 to play C64 games of course.
OSX (now MacOS) was built and running on PowerPC and Intel for years before Intel Macs were released. I assume the same was true before they released the Apple silicon chips.
Yeah but they weren’t running both in the same device at the same time.
PPC -> Intel they just recompiled their OS and fixed it up for the x86 platform, then the same for Intel -> ARM
They did not have a laptop with an x86 processor and a PPC at the same time… though there are some hillariously bespoke accellerator cards from back in the day to do all sorts of strange things.
That said, laptops are full of microcontrollers with firmware, lots of those will be atmega, st32, 6502 and the like. Things like a WLAN or WAN card will be a little ARM soc of some flavour.
So it really depends on where you draw the line. If its executing the main workload, I’d say thats the CPU, everything else is a microcontroller enabling it to do that
Yeah, RP2350 in Raspberry Pi Pico 2 also has 2 ARM cores and 2 RISC-V cores.
Which reminds me, I purchased one a month ago to play around with as it has good documentation, yet I haven’t used it once so far.
Its actually not seperate cores, they’re RISCV or ARM, based on a switch. MilkV does that too with one of its chips. They’re mostly the same architecturally, theres something like 10% that gets enabled/disabled with each ISA selection.
But you can still run both at once. RP2350 datasheet
From section 3.9 Arm/RISC-V architecture switching:
There are two processor sockets on RP2350, referred to as core 0 and core 1 throughout this document. Each socket can be occupied either by a Cortex-M33 processor (implementing the Armv8-M Main architecture, plus extensions) or by a Hazard3 processor (implementing the RV32IMAC architecture, plus extensions).
From section 3.9.2. Mixed architecture combinations:
The
ARCHSELregister has one bit for each processor socket, so it is possible to request mixed combinations of Arm and RISC-V processors: either Arm core 0 and RISC-V core 1, or RISC-V core 0 and Arm core 1.Practical applications for this are limited, since this requires two separate program images. The two cores interoperate normally, including shared exclusives via the global monitor: a shared variable can be safely, concurrently accessed by an Arm processor performing
ldrex,strexinstructions and a RISC-V processor performingamoadd.winstructions, for example
Haha look at this dumbass, he thinks being stupid is aspirational.
Low effort. Try harder.
Hope he keeps going, I want to see how many he has…
Cool, which SoC?
SG2002/SG2000 and the CV1800B chips by MilkV
Thank you!
Soviets did a lot to harm Eastern Block tech. Bulgarian Pravetz was a clone of Apple ][. Nothing impressive but cheap, functional, domestically produced. Can’t really be exported towards west due to blatant IP violations, but the production capabilities were good enough to produce and export hard drives.
Except the trade deal with Britain was blocked by Soviets because it was seen as a security threat, and an industry died in its infancy.
There’s another future where Yugoslavia is the birthplace of a free software movement, and homebuilt PCs lower the barrier of entry to anybody with some time on their hands, with software distributed by radio and powerline until the advent of internet.
Ah yes, I recently learned about Galaksija, it’s fascinating!
that computer sounds awesome, imagine something like this existed today(like a computer with a RISC-V,Arm64 and X86-64 CPU) .
Developers: 😰
yugoslav.
slovenia wasn’t a country back then
The Socialist Republic of Slovenia was one of the six federal republics forming the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, if you want to be technical about it.
Iskra Delta was a Slovene (republic) company, even within Yugoslavia. But if you nitpick, then technically it would be Yugoslavia as country.
Once again fuck America
I’d say US/USians, as America is more than just the US. America is composed of more countries like Canada, Mexico, Brazil…
You can downvote me all you want, it doesn’t change anything.
No idea why you’re getting downvoted for this very valid point.
Now why would they be referring to Mexico?
America is not just North America you know. It’s a whole ass continent. America isn’t a country, the US is. So when you say America when you actually talk about only the US, it’s as is you were talking about Mexico, Canada, Brazil… as well as the US. Which is… dumb? False? Erroneous?
Literally a hate crime 💀 good looking making sure nobody got confused
The US could mean Mexico though.
How?
Probably referring to Mexico’s official name, Estados Unidos Mexicanos.
Thanks! I never knew it had a longer official name.
People who are adamant about “America is too confusing” are very rarely in agreement with “Afro-Eurasia”, such that if someone says “Colombians are American”, they’re unlikely to say “French people are African” or even “Afro-Eurasian”.
It’s a cultural/language thing, rather than an objective one. There’s no reason that (most) English speakers who don’t call Peruvians “Americans” are any more incorrect than Peruvians who don’t say “Spanish people are Africans” are wrong. But it’s become a whole thing on the internet to say that “USians are dumb and wrong” for not having the same language concepts as other cultures. There are just different numbers of continents taught in different cultures.
But as a tourist, does anyone from outside the US say “I’m American” when they’re asked where they’re from? Canadians at least sure as fuck would never say that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent?useskin=vector#Number
Nobody is saying it’s too confusing. They’re saying “stop claiming that word for yourself”.
Your examples are incorrect. The equivalent would be if France was called The United States of Europe, and used the word Europeans to refer exclusively to themselves.
Then, naturally, Germans would stop using the word European to refer to themselves because others would think they were referring to France (The United States of Europe in this example).
South America, North America, and North North America
South America is America too…
It’s funny because I trust the Japanese government even less than the American government.
I suppose I’m not that up to date on Japanese government and politics. Can you elaborate?
They refuse to admit all the horrible things the country did during WWII.
They have a weakness for the sneak attack.
They paid for that already and your comment is disgusting but expected from an american.
They absolutely have not paid for a single atrocity committed during WWII. The government refuses to admit they happened, let alone take responsibility.
I am not an American, your own prejudice seems to be showing. But of course you overlook that.
Interesting how many TRON Association members were also adoptees of the MSX standard, which had similar (but less ambitious) goals to be “the” world computer interoperability standard. i wonder if that was why they jumped off the project at the first sign of trouble, thinking it was a good thing they didn’t keep all of their eggs in one basket. NEC likely ended up outperforming them both with the PC-98 anyway
And people laugh at Rockstar for not showing footage before the leak.
People are sharks. It’s best not to ever preview what’s going to happen. Then you can’t lose.
Sad but true.
Hl3 when.
Next time don’t tell anyone until it’s out.
HL3 is in beta… true story
I’d encourage everyone to read the article. It paints a far more nuanced picture than the headline suggests.
It gives more details, but it doesn’t particularly make the US not look like a bunch of dickholes whose definition of “free market” changes to shape whatever suits them from one moment to the next.
Nuanced yes, but it largely being driven by a Japanese guy who wanted to sell US software and US companies who didn’t want to compete by actually selling compatible hardware is no less damning.
Yeah. That guys “nuance” comment made me read the article, and I’m glad I did, but the end result was my expectation going in; the profit motive of capitalism killed a FOSS OS that could have nullified Americas tech dominance before it even started.
There’s no way to know how it would’ve played out, but I could see Bill Gates’ connected family greasing the wheels of geopolitics to scare the Japanese out of implementing it, or being the catalyst promoting exclusive US proprietary tech rights to Japanese capitalists, or the CIA/NSA arguing that a Japanese controlled FOSS OS would make it harder for them to influence tech standards. Basically, like most things I’ve learned about history, it’s likely that morally and ethically bankrupt, sociopathic, criminals had their hands balls deep in the clusterfuck of a horror show, in many more ways than one.
According to the article it was royalty free and published open standards, but they do not make any claim to this being an FOSS system.
It would have been a completely rigged game for a US company to try and sell and TRON products in the Japanese market.
This is exactly why it was protectionism and could have caught trade sanctions had it been more widely adopted.
Japan: We are not a vassal state (no really they say this in an argument with the Japanese Communist Party).
Meanwhile Japan:
