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- Operation Condor: right wing dictators in South America repressing leftists with the support of Americans and possibly the French
- Gladio: Post WWII Allied Forces and then NATO intelligence operations to delegitimize and destabilize leftist groups in Eastern Europe from end of WWII through the 1990s
- Ranch Hand: US led effort to destroy the foliage and agricultural land in Vietnam to deprive the Viet Cong of food and places to stage attacks
- PBSuccess: CIA led coup d’état in Guatemala at the request of the United Fruit Company (now Chiquita)
- Phoenix Program: CIA led effort to infiltrate the Viet Cong
Shhhh they still don’t know radio free Asia is a CIA project.
Is this real or some kind of joke? I’m just now learning about all of this and am almost traumatized honestly.
No joke. Same goes for Radio Free Europe and Voice of America, among others. They’re US state propaganda outlets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Agency_for_Global_MediaI try to point people toward developing real media literacy.
“Radio Free X” news outlets are generally all US State Department propaganda designed to discredit and de-legitimize their geopolitical adversaries, famously the USSR and PRC, but also Cuba, etc. It’s all very real.
Oh dude the CIA has their fingers in soooooooooo much shit in the era between WWII and… now? It’s all published on their web site.
Do other countries not condemn us ultimately for this stuff? Like Russia invaded another nation and the whole world ‘sanctioned’ them economically, why has no one sanctioned US for these mass injustices?
The US has hundreds more millitary bases around the world than any other country. It dominates the world financially via Imperialism, it intentionally underdevelops countries in the global south in order to have them reliant on US food exports so the US gets cheap imports.
Some countries do call out the US Empire for what it is. Palestine, the former USSR, the PRC, Cuba, DPRK, South Africa, Iran, the Russian Federation, all countries the US Empire thoroughly demonizes and propagandizes against as much as it can.
The good news is that the Empire is crumbling, so hopefully we can overthrow it and replace it with a Socialist system.
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Is this far cry 4
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Thx. I def recommend reading some articles that get into the depravity of some of these. Outside of the at least half a million people killed in the above operations, the coups, tortures, dissappearances, and entire communities wiped out is staggering.
Some more short blurbs :
- Starting in the 1970s, a CIA-backed coalition of right wing governments in Argentina, Ecuador, Peru, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Brazil, began Operation Condor, a campaign of political repression and state terror involving intelligence operations and assassination of opponents, with the stated aim of “eliminating Marxist subversion.” Victims included dissidents and leftists, union and peasant leaders, priests and nuns, students and teachers, intellectuals and suspected guerillas. An estimated 30,000 to 80,000 leftists or sympathizers were killed. 1
- From the 1950s-90s, the CIA and NATO ran a series of clandestine networks, headquartered in Rome, Italy called Operation Gladio. Its purpose was supplying aid (primarily money and weaponry) to right wing paramilitaries to attack left-wing movements, and carry out assassinations and bombings, as well as funnel money to centrist political parties. It had operations in Belgium, Finland, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, The Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Turkey, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and Austria. In Italy, the group had 600+ members, and carried out car bombings during Italy’s years of lead. In Germany, it included former Nazi SS members—Staff Sgt. Heinrich Hoffman, Lt. Col. Hans Rues, and Lt. Col. Walter Kopp. CIA weapons caches are still being discovered in all the countries above.
- From the 1940s - 60s, the CIA provided an average of $5 million annually in covert aid towards financially supporting centrist Italian governments and using the awarding of contracts to weaken the Italian Communist Party’s hold on labor unions. It was also involved in bombings and assassinations as a part of Operation Gladio.
- Between 1963 and 1973, The US dropped ~388,000 tons of napalm bombs in vietnam, compared to 32,357 tons used over three years in the Korean War, and 16,500 tons dropped on Japan in 1945. US also sprayed over 5 million acres with herbicide, in Operation Ranch Hand, in a 10 year campaign to deprive the vietnamese of food and vegetation cover. 1,2
- In 1967, the CIA helped South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in villages, in the Phoenix Program. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had executed between 26,000 and 41,000 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters.1
- In 1965, The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Indonesian leader Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA had been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, aided by the CIA, massacred between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being communist, in the Indonesian mass killings of 1965-66. The US continued to support Suharto throughout the 70s, supplying weapons and planes.
Gladio targeted all of Europe, not just the East. Remember that the Communist parties were strong in the west too, especially in Italy and France. Hell, they were part of the government under De Gaulle as members of the coalition.
The cia under dulles had a few plots to assassinate De Gaulle. And yet still somehow the French didn’t care and aligned with the US anyway.
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Unitedestadian has long been the term used to describe USA citizens by the Spanish-speaking population of the Americas. Not their fault the country picked a length intro title and a vague region as their country name. Imagine if the UK was the UKE, United Kingdom of Europe, and called themselves Europeans by default. The other 90% would be pissed and make their own names, no?
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Instead of ‘american’ or USian or others, why not Yankee? It has historical significance to the united states, originated a a pejorative, and the south hates it. Perfect
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USian here, and totally agree. The willful ignorance is stunning to behold.
But help me with my potential ignorance here - is this meme also suggesting that ordinary citizens of other developed countries know about these things? Do high school history and social studies classes have a day or a week that discuss US imperialism & shady dealings of recent decades?
My impression has always been that people in other countries read about this awful shit in the same places I do online, and that the differences in mainstream knowledge are about much more basic stuff like coal and climate change being bad while healthcare is good.
How they will teach about the military dictatorship era of my country without mentioning Operation Condor?
A lot of this is really old so it’s the kind of thing my parents casually mentioned when I was growing up.
But then we learn the details at University, either in history classes or more broadly in any kind of discussion of colonialism, neoimperialism, etc.
Belgian here. Nope. No idea what they’re on about.
Do high school history and social studies classes have a day or a week that discuss US imperialism & shady dealings of recent decades?
No, that’s the entire curriculum. Kinda impossible not to properly discuss a country’s hystory without mentioning the US when the US has been fucking with it
Which country?
In Brazil there have been several pretty important meddlings, but at most the schools say that there where “several parties involved”
Like our dictatorship, where I’d only learnt “other countries incentivized the coup”
I’ve heard from many south american comrades, that their school systems have memory-holed this entire historical period of anti-communist massacres. Only now with the pink tide in some of these countries, is there any chance of liberals getting educated about their past.
Oh yeah, 100%
No, that’s the entire curriculum […]
I was asking about what country has US meddling as a considerable fraction of the curriculum
Pretty much only the AES countries. Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, China, Cuba.
The hell is a USian?
Citizen of the United States
There are two United States.
Yes, but one of them has an actual name so no one has to call it that
Very true. Posted this one out of respect for my cousins who correct me when I use United States to refer to the USA.
Then again, they probably use estadounidense as demonym for the USA, right?
lol, they do!
Ask them about it, if possible, please. I’d love to hear about their reaction
First time seeing “United Statesian” idek what to say besides I hope to never encounter it again
Well, you guys should have come up with a better demonym that didn’t belong to the entire continent(s)
I prefer usonian, but ppl seem to hate that even worse. Much shorter than saying “US citizen”, and also not going along with the US cooption of the term america.
I find Burgerlander just rolls off your tongue easier
How…How have I gone so long without hearing about any of this at all? Like I always hear we are evil, but the specifics are chalked up to ‘cold war hysteria/propaganda’
Consider me spooked, and many thanks for the awareness boost OP!
US history programs are 95% propaganda so it’s not surprising.
Speaking as a…USian?..many of us know about these already and are ashamed of them.
I can assure you that you are giving the general public far too much credit unfortunately.
Remember, the #1 search on google on Election Day was “did Joe Biden drop out”
Remember, the #1 search on google on Election Day was “did Joe Biden drop out”
Jesus fucking christ. I have not read that before, but it is the most believable thing I’ve seen all week.
I’ll look it up tomorrow. I am always curious, but I cannot handle having this fact confirmed to me right now, lol.
I’m going to bet that if I did one of those street interview things with the question: “Do you know what operation condor is? Do you know what the phoenix program is?” I’d get maybe 1 usonian out of 300 that would have even heard of them.
