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    Why call Imperial Units the American system? It’s the British Empire’s fault. And the UK still uses it. Like so much they say weird ass shit like “I weigh 12 stones.”

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      The UK is metrifing. But it takes time to make these shifts. Most hospitals will ask for weight in kg but usually have a calculator available. Charts and information leaflets have kg. Lift weight limits are in kg (usually then represend by people) Baby’s weight is given in grams but usually the next question is what’s that in old money. So the systems are all in kg but mentally we are in stones.

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      US Customary Units and Imperial Units are not 100% the same, so three former the American system makes sense.

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    My favourite part of the metric system is that with it’s water weight being 1-1 with volume; measuring liquids is super easy with a scale.

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          If 20 % error is okay, sure. And yes, with cooking it does not really matter. But simply using mass instead of volume fixes this anyway and is more convenient.

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    When I learned the consistency (synergy?) between metric measures, I thought that was so amazing.

    In the olden days sciencey types and engineers kept fact books listing such relations. They had a specific name that escapes me.

    Before handheld calculators, they also kept books of pre-calculated mathematical operations, so they were used to having numbers books around.

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      “Better still learn mental math, you won’t always have an answer book in your pocket!” — 1500’s teachers

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      In the olden days sciencey types and engineers kept fact books listing such relations. They had a specific name that escapes me.

      Likely a “CRC”: CRC Standard Mathematical Tables, which is probably the same book as the pre-calculated mathematical operations you mentioned. It has a lot of good mathematical stuff in it such as basic formulas, trig functions, log tables, integral and differential functions, and formulas up through around Fourier analysis.

      If we were doing that thought exercise where you can take a “go bag” back in time to build science up more quickly, a CRC and a slide rule would probably be in mine. I’d probably throw in a prism and as compact of a microscope that uses a mirror as a light source as I could get away with; both for showing small stuff living in water and for showing what couldn’t be manufactured yet (depending on when I went back). I wouldn’t waste space in the bag for anything dealing with the imperial system.

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    One mole of hydrogen-1 isn’t 1 gram because of the binding energy of protons and neutrons. One mole of hydrogen-1 is about 1.008g

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      You know that water being exactly 1kg and 1l is specific to one pressure and temperature combination?

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        Mole is a number of particles, not a volume. A mole of hydrogen-1 will always have the same mass regardless of temperature or pressure

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          The point is that you do not have that precision. But it absolutely is good enough for pretty much everything. A 0.8 % error is often well below measurement error. Like in any mass balance in a chemical system, say a refinery or whatever. You can ignore argon and all other gases except N2 and O2 in air for the same reason in almost every application.

          But even if we apply the same logic, 1.008 is “incorrec” too, it is 1.00794.

          And that is incorrect too, not because of higher precision, but because of binding energy. Two separate hydrogen atoms (2 H) have slightly more mass than one hydrogen molecule (H₂) because forming the H–H chemical bond releases energy, reducing the system’s mass according via E= m*c² That extends to every single compound. They all have different atomic masses in them.

          I think the point is made.

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            This post was about definitions in the metric system, so while 1 mole of hydrogen being 1 gram is pretty close, it isn’t and isn’t defined to be

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    Wait, no, this isn’t really correct.

    Metric is the first part, but it is also the second part. The entire point of imperial units is that they ARE humanistically intuitive measurements.

    Science = metric, relatable = imperial.

    Imperial doesn’t care about how many units of energy it takes to boil x quantity of water at y elevation pressure etc, and that’s the whole point, it’s about how many approximately hands tall is this horse. You look at your hand, look at the horse, and go “about 15”. If you want to know exactly how tall a horse is, relative to human height, you use feet and inches. Everything has its own, weird systems of measurement that got made up over time, organically relative to other human approximation.

    Metric if you want standardization and exactness and conversion, but imperial works fine as long as you know of the units, because we make up our own units that make sense. Like, the south park kouric unit is an example. It doesn’t matter what the unit is derived from, you just need to know is it ten or eleven or twelve, because the units are relative to us, not how many units of energy it takes to heat a cubic meter of water to boiling at exactly one atmosphere, because that’s insane. Cool, and converts well and is universal, but the numbers don’t really mean anything.

    I really think context matters, and if you work well with metric for everything - fantastic. If you work well with imperial - great. They’re just different systems for different purposes for different situations.

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      Metric is very relatable if you just, use it, just like imperial.

      The only difference is metric is also easy to scale up or down, imperial is pure “fee-fees”

      Your implication that metric is not humanistically intuitive is just bonkers when you consider 99.125% of the developed world just uses metric for their every day, always, with no issue.

      Germans, Koreans, and Indians aren’t suddenly going “oh no! I can’t measure these shoes and these plates! I only have SCIENCE numbers, not BaldEagleBananaBurgerFreedom™ numbers!”

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        First off, I want to point out that imperial measurements originated in Europe, not the US. No need to get upset about where the standards are from or who use them, we aren’t talking about that, as I want to eliminate patriotism and tribalism, and isolate the subject to just the differences between the measurements.

        Secondly, whether or not something is used commonly or not doesn’t define if something is humanistically intuitive. And I think you misunderstood what I meant by that, anyway, and might be twisting my words away from their original meaning, by using those specific words wrongly in a strawman fallacy, thus making two blind jumps away from my argument and essentially arguing against something that I never really said, which is a waste of both of our time and energy.

        I’m saying that the units are human-intuition centric first, not other reference point first.

        If you base your 0-100 measurement of temperature around the freezing and boiling points of water, that’s fantastic, but it’s significantly less relevant for what temperature it is outside. Sure, you can divide and multiply it well and it’s a range that’s relevant to water.

        But the 0-100 being based around what temperatures span from really cold to really hot to humans (and temperate zones where most humans exist), you’ve created a unit that is significantly more relevant to weather and how it feels and affects us. People who use Fahrenheit basically never, ever use decimals for weather or cooking food, because those are the things that most people REALLY do day to day.

        They’re just different philosophies in how to measure stuff, and a lot of people use both at will, because we like to just use the best thing for the job. If people younger than me want to use all metric or all imperial, cool, I don’t give a shit, they’re all available. Whining about units is bizarre. Like, just don’t use them if you can’t be flexible. It’s like language: the person who speaks the most language wins because they understand the differences, pros, and cons. Whereas the person who only understands one language is limited in perspective and understanding, and when that person rages about other standards, they look ridiculous.

        Speak your language, if it works, fantastic. But don’t piss over here because you don’t understand the differences. I’m just trying to get through life and I bet you are, too. If you want the truly weird conversions, though, go between imperial and metric ;) those are awesome.

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          1. The origins don’t matter, every civilization, region, and town made its own system, I’m referring to the fact the the US and the UK are the only developed nations that still USE imperial, when there’s an easier, widespread, more sensible system available right next to it.

          2. That’s not a strawman fallacy as I didn’t deny your input by miscategorizing your personal value, if anything it approaches a bad reason fallacy or an antecedent denial fallacy, but it’s neither because we both made our points of view on separate foundational assumed beliefs without addressing proofs or evidence. One could also throw an appeal to emotion or an appeal to ridicule fallacy in there with my silly joke about imperial units but we’re not debating a verifiable, objective truth. Neither are we attempting to find some higher level of human understanding of our spaient peoples world, we’re just wasting time on an internet forum, as in “they’re just opinions, man.”

          3. Every unit of measure that humans created to measure the world we live in, like metric and imperial, is human-intuition centric first. Imperial units were created just as formally, and informally, as metric. The imperial system is based on a different system, based on another system, that was based on the science at the time used for pharmaceutical, military, and crafting applications. Just because imperial used hands and feet of SOME guy doesn’t make it less or more arbitrary than the measure of “one liter of water.” A system, based on a system, based on science at the time that is just easier to understand in the base 10 system we live in.

          4. The 0 - 100 hot-cold argument for Fahrenheit is just incorrect. It was made by SOME GUY and 0° was the freezing point of HIS brine in HIS basement. 0 F° isn’t cold, it’s deadly, and 100 F° is not. That seems just as arbitrary as 0 - 40 C°. If the scale was the same people would actually refer to Celcius as -32 - 40 C° instead, and that’s just not the case. Decimals are not scary, they’re equally simple to use by any person who uses the base 10 system, unless the argument is that people who use Fahrenheit also struggle to make change when handling money.

          5. Measurements are not one-to-one comparable to language, but when most people who are familiar with both tell you that one is clearly superior, and most of the world’s educated people agree, and it’s an easier system for children to understand, then it’s fairly safe to call one system better. Maybe some languages are better at one thing than another, but language is interpretive, flowing, changing, adaptable. Measurements are not, they need to be universally, unambiguously understood.

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          Yeah everyone had their archaic human-derived measures but every city on the Rhine had a different system.

          If you were a cologne cabbage trader and had 100 cologne pounds of cabbage, the would be 104 pounds in Düsseldorf, 98 pounds in Mainz, 91 in Karlsruhe and 102 in Frankfurt.

          Wonderful human derived measurements.

          I get the impression some people think the whole world was English imperial units and then we started to turn metric on a whim.

          Metric is wonderful for international and interregional trade and communication. There’s practically only one blank spot on that map.

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        Like, I’m at a shop right now, and outside the window are some scooters.

        How many scooters?

        I think in units of scooters, not pieces of metal in scooter shape that add up to a volume of mass and energy. Because that’s not what I’m thinking about right now, I just see six scooters, and you instantly know that there are six scooters.

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            since we’re talking hypotheticals, sometimes you order sausages by the unit, sometimes you order them by weight.

            honestly idc which really, i am the best sassage eater on the team just give me the damn wurst. give me the damn wurst.

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            This is true, but that’s because everybody has accepted the unit of scooter as the accepted unit count for scooters…

            Okay that’s a bad example, because just counting things is the way to count things. But also, maybe that’s the point - maybe, counting things is just super simple, and why direct or single-level abstract measurements is the difference: metric = relating everything to a single point, and imperial = just counting. Yeah? Maybe?

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              I’m not really following. What, are we counting feet, then? Mine?

              Feet are just really entrenched in the way Americans think about lengths. It may not sound like it’s abstract, but it is. If I said “yeah, it’s about sixteen hands long”, people would have to parse wtf I’m talking about, but then have to grapple with how long a “hand” is exactly and what 16 of them means.

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                The foot is no less arbitrary than the meter. If you are just unfamiliar with the unit and confused by the fact it’s named after something often close in size to it that’s fine, but keep in mind for a while a meter was defined as the length of a specific metal rod, same as the foot and yard.

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                  Meter was defined as 1/10M of the length from equator to the pole. It’s not exact because the size was established by people literally measuring the distance while traveling. They got really close though. Rest of the units were derived from that length such as 10cm cube of water is 1kg and so on.

                  Meter is pretty useful though, a large step step is around one meter so you can measure a field by walking after a bit of practice to get the step right. The height of people’s waist is around 1m also.

                  The point you make about counting is not really an advantage since in metric we count in meters, 10s of centimeters, centimeters, 100s of meters or kilometer which is roughly 10 minutes walking.

                  The difference is that when you need to do calculation or anything scientific it becomes super easy to convert between units. A cubic meter of water is 1 metric ton (1000kg), 1L of water is 1kg so you can just measure 250ml of milk (~ a cup) by adding 250g of water to a bowl. A tablespoon by adding 15g and a teaspoon by adding 5g.

                  It makes cooking and baking a lot easier since you don’t need to bring out a whole range of measurement equipment because you can often just use a scale instead.

                  Then we have Fahrenheit temp scale. Goes from 0 very cold and 100 very hot. Both are intuitive after a while but metric make it very easy to reason about larger ranges and how close to freezing something is outside.

                  Bottom line is that both are very arbitrary but any time you go outside some regular guesstimates of “this is x long” metric becomes easier.

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                  I was with you until you said the foot is no less arbitrary than the meter. The foot is just a useful size and changed depending on whenever the king decided. The meter was defined by the French using Earth. To say they’re both equally arbitrary is untrue.

                  Imperial units are nice to work in when accuracy is more important than precision. Want a third of a foot, that’s four inches exactly. A third of a meter is 33.333 cm repeated. It really depends on the situation which is more useful, but metric is more often than not the useful choice.

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                  Yeah, they’re both arbitrary. You agree with me.

                  The “things” being counted in either respect are abstract and are only “known” if they are familiar.

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        I expanded my comment, but, basically, you can get used to any system. Humans are incredibly adaptable.

        But for the same reason we’re bad at conceptualizing how rich a trillionaire really is, metric may not be better than imperial. Or, maybe imperial is the reason we’re bad at conceptualizing! I haven’t thought about that before! But it’s an interesting idea!

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      We have also units in metric, except it’s always the same ones. Horse is around 2m and a small banana is 15cm, a human foot in around 30cm.

      You can measure the parts of your body to get to the same point reference pretty fast and it’s very relatable when you live in a non-imperial country.

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        Temp ranges 0-100 in real life in temperate, North America. This is also about what the human body perceives as “really fucking cold” and “really fucking hot”.

        What do they span in Celsius? Probably some easily divisible decimals that are just as easy to understand if you’re used to them. Because Celsius is a scale not relative to weather, but rather to water. Which is sciency, but not weathery.

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          Lol no

          US temps (°F), roughly:

          NE / Midwest - winter 15-35, summer 70-85 Northern Plains - winter 0-25, summer 70-85 Southeast - winter 40-65, summer 80-92 Desert SW - winter 45-68, summer 95-110 Pacific coast - winter 40-58, summer 60-78 Alaska (inland) - winter -20 to 0, summer 55-72

          Celsius in comparison

          OC…water freezes, 100C water boils

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          You’re right, the Celsius scale doesn’t span across one particular ‘topic’- but either end point is not only relatable, but specific. You’ve got snows/frosts/freezes at one end, and boiling at the other. Both of those will always happen at that temperature (more or less), but different people will feel comfortable or not in a hugely wide range.

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    Having read a good portion of the comments in this thread and the anti-american sentiment attached, I am convinced that the only reason the US isn’t wholly metric at this point is out of spite.

    I know the actual reason is that it would cost too damn much to convert all the infrastructure we’ve built in imperial, but now I just want the USA to keep kicking everyone in the balls at the Olympics, in the military, and with global corporate supremacy just to own it to the world that they’re better than all of you AND they use imperial.

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      Not using the metric system is such a massive waste of money (let’s talk about international trade, everyone else uses metric), there’s no way anyone is justifying it based on cost. It’s because when they actually tried to adopt the metric system in the 70’s people revolted and destroyed all the new signs. Because this is a barbaric fuckin country.

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      Most of the US standard units these days are defined in terms of metric units. But lots of individual laws and regulations from the federal down to the state, county, and municipal level are still worded in terms of those US standard units. This means that ultimately the U.S. is already using the metric system in actual fact, while the US standard units are used in name only. For example, the U.S. Standard foot is common throughout the country to define the boundaries of real property (land), but since 1959 1 foot has been defined as equaling 0.3048 meter exactly. The US foot is set to be replaced soon with the international foot, similarly defined by the meter, when the National Geodetic Service finalizes it’s new datums and state plane coordinate systems.

      Point is, the US is already using the metric system, with a heavy accent.

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      Lots of industries in USA are metric and keeping the imperial around for the social inertia.

      For engineers/scientists this works. For normal people, this works IFF there’s a gradual change. Eg: every sign that’s replaced should have both units. Every product needs to add both units in within next X years. Then they can make imperial optional after a decade or more of common signs and finally go all in on SI.

      But ofc no one likes a working solution. They’d rather stick to the measurement system that escaped pirates

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    Metric is great for scientists in a lab with equipment to measure things.

    Imperial was created during a time when peasants in the middle of nowhere needed to measure something “close enough” to trade with others, even without tools or measuring equipment, which was only owned by scribes and other members of the nobility.

    This is why all imperial length measurements relate to parts of the body and why all volume and weight measurements relate to containers that were commonly used to store the thing you’re measuring (a bushel of grain, for example).

    Also, a foot can be divided equally into 2, 3, 4, or 6 equally-sized pieces without resorting to estimation or irrational numbers; a meter cannot.

    The US agreed to switch to the metric system centuries ago, but the ship carrying the official units sank on the way over.

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      What? Of course you ca split a METER into smaller pieces.

      500, 330, 250 and 115mm

      Easy as a pie.

      And no one is its right mind is actually using thirds. There is no way you can actually use thirds in anything but as an approximation

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      That’s why duodecimal is superior to decimal.

      Instead of converting to metric, we should convert our entire numerical system to be base 12.

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      Metric is great for scientists in a lab with equipment to measure things.

      Metric is just as great for everyday life as imperial units.

      Also, a foot can be divided equally into 2, 3, 4, or 6 equally-sized pieces without resorting to estimation or irrational numbers; a meter cannot.

      While I agree in principle, I also enjoy the chaos that imperial system causes when you try adding up 1 1/8 inches + 5 27/32 inches + 7 3/16 inches instead of just using decimal numbers.

      Edited for clarity

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        Metric is just as great for everyday life as imperial units.

        This is what the metricians say to feel better about themselves, but they never mean it.

        “Oh yes, I’ll have a 236.588 milliliters of tea, thank you for offering”

        “The kids are out playing in the back 0.914 meters”

        “Doctor, I think I broke my left 30.48 centimeters”

        Do you see how silly you would sound if you didn’t use imperial?

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        1 1/8 inches + 5 27/32 inches + 7 3/16 inches

        1/8 = 4/32
        3/16 = 6/32
        4 + 6 + 27 = 37
        37/32 = 1 5/32
        1 + 5 + 7 + 1 = 14
        Total: 14 5/32
        

        I wouldn’t call it chaos, it’s a straightforward algorithm:

        1. Identify the largest denominator
        2. Multiply each other fraction by [largest denominator divided by current fraction’s denominator] (e.g. 32/8 = 4, so 1/8 * 4/4 = 4/32)
        3. Determine the sum of every numerator
        4. Divide and simplify the number if necessary
        5. Determine the sum of the integers, including any integers added in the previous step

        This works for every measurement because the denominator is always a power of 2.

        With that said I absolutely prefer metric.

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          In practice you would just use decimal inches. Doesn’t really make it better but you can machine something without ever seeing a fraction if you want to since everything will be in thousandths of an inch.

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              most electronics breadboards and the pins from (non-tiny) microchips / ICs are spaced at 2.54mm apart, which i eventually realised is a tenth of an inch.

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                hey none of that mathematics witchery here dude. we guesstimate or we do nothing (and i’m too tired to guess)

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            Maybe in your particular industry, but I reckon most people using imperial units aren’t using measuring devices with decimal inches or needing the precision of .0001"

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        Having done my share of automotive and carpentry work, I’ve never in my life had to go down to 64ths. 32nds is the smallest fraction I’ve ever had to use and the amount of times I’ve had to get that small could probably be counted on one hand.

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          Are you saying adding 8ths, 16ths and 32nds is trivial and having 64th in my example made it unrealistic?

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            I’m saying that if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn’t be working in 64ths in the first place. You picked 64ths because “hurr sure Americans dumb” and you know it.

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              I picked 64 because I don’t use imperial and I have no sense of scalw what makes sense as a fraction unit. A bit paranoid, aren’t you?

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                I picked 64 because I don’t use imperial and I have no sense of scalw what makes sense as a fraction unit.

                Exactly

                A bit paranoid, aren’t you?

                Nope, just sick of arrogant Europeans acting like they’re experts on shit they don’t have the first clue about.

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                  You come to a thread where people throw light hearted banter about each others’ measuring systems and you feel attacked by arrogant europeans. Sounds a lot like paranoia. Chill.

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          In US machine shops if they’re getting down to that level of measurement, they’ll switch over to milli-inches.

          Yes, milli-inches are an actual unit in use.

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        If someone were adding those figures they would switch to decimal. I built furniture for 2 years, 64ths are almost never used over thousands of an inch. If you need to be finer than 32nds you use thou. And that pretty much only for wood. Machine shop I worked in used thou exclusively.

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          thousands of an inch

          Which is called a “mil”, a name that has never caused confusion

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            Is it really? That’s really interesting, and would cause a lot of confusion in metric-English countries where ‘mil’ is pejoratively used in speech to either mean ‘millimetre’ or ‘millilitre’ depending on context.

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          While in theory it is like that, I as a non english speaker have come across people trying to add up inch fractions more time than I remember.

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        Wheeeeeeee fractions!

        But after multiplying, 8 + 54 + 3 over 64 is just clean fun, you end up with 14 1/64 inches and wanna die because you accidentally cut the material at 14 inches and now your whole day is ruined.

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          I’m using some pvc to build a prototype and the percentage of it that turns to microplastic so I can get precise sizing is terrifying. But I’ma use the chop saw we got instead of buying new, larger pvc scissors

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      The last bit of rationalizing is hilarious. It’s like you don’t even understand numbers or math, well what am I saying, you’re an American

      We can figure out what 70% of a meter is.

      Good luck with your peasant system

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        Its crazy how many people upvoted this comment. Didn’t realize there was so much anti-american sentiment on this platform. I get the government is shit, but insulting the general population just kinda makes you out as an ass.

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          It’s not anti-American sentiment, it’s anti-anti-intellectualism.

          Stay in school.

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      Metric allows you to convert between length volume and mass in your head. Someone smarter than me could probably take a reasonable estimate of how long a kettle will take to boil just by knowing it’s wattage and estimating its volume.

      You’re right that “pounds” may have e been a practical measurement back when people didn’t have calibrated and everyone’s hand weighed a pound. However, that advantage ceased once everyone standardised those measurements.

      A metre is equally divisible by 50, 25, 20, 10, 5, and 2. There arr numerous advantages to a base 10 system.

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      “Decimalized currency is great for all those labcoats, but for us regular ol’ normal folk, it’s much easier to use real, easily divisible livres, which can be divided into 20 sous and subsequently into 12 deniers.”

      “In fact, imperial is so great because duodecimal invites so much divisibility! What’s that? You’re saying it goes 12 –> 3 –> 1760 for length, 16 –> 2000 for units of mass, that units of volume are a bastardized base-2 system where there isn’t even a consistent multiple between units, and that pounds and short tons aren’t cleanly divisible by 3? And that not a single unit of volume is divisible by 3 unless you bring it down to the level of teaspoons?”

      “‘Why not just switch to a fully duodecimal system if divisibility is so important to you’, you ask? Well fuck you, a foot is about as long specifically as my forearm, and there’s no way my poor, emaciated monkey brain would ever have found something similar to latch onto with SI units. Those people living in most of the rest of the world probably just carry meter sticks around up their asses. ‘How many square inches is a 30 x 30-foot room?’, you ask? Well fuck you again.”

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      Every country used a system based off body parts or similarly easy-to-measure parts. When the metric system was invented, most of them switched because it was the logic thing to do. Some just decided that the dumb system was better who knows why.

      Spain adopted the metric system in 1852 and by the time, they weren’t the most advanced country.

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        Spain adopted the metric system in 1852 and by the time, they weren’t the most advanced country

        perhaps when the u.s. finally reaches the level of 1852 spain, americans will switch too.

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      What do you mean you can not divide a meter without estimations or irrational numbers? Do you mean fractions or decimal? 1m/3=3.33… dm ( repeating, which means it is a rational fraction)

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        Anyone who thinks you can divide one number by another and get an irrational number… doesn’t know what irrational means.

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            irrational numbers are numbers which are not a ratio of integers

            complex numbers, often called “imaginary” numbers, are ones with components of unit i =√-1

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              complex numbers, often called “imaginary” numbers,

              Aside: mostly, but complex numbers are an addition of both a real number and an imaginary number: a + bi. It just happens that a can be 0, making it a strictly irrational number when b ≠ 0.

              Thus, the imaginary numbers are a strict subset of the complex numbers.

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        Even more fun is that US customary units are explicitly defined by their metric equivalents. So the US is using metric whether they like it or not, they just slap pointless conversion factors on top.

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          And it’s been this way since 1893. The US customary system has been sneaky metric that whole time.

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      In imperial, pounds can be either a mass or a force, or context dependent, or a slug might be the unit for mass derived from the pound force. The foot pound force is a unit for energy.

      Honestly the system shouldn’t exist.