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      This kind of false equivalency is how you end up with Trump.

      Democrats needed to do more to differentiate themselves. But they’re still stuck in 1992 and think that if they just triangulate with fascists and treat their own base as hostages, that they’re entitled to victory.

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      Kinda crazy how democrats now are just like: “Yeah, I eat a plate of shit. I don’t like it, but they told me that was the only option. So I did it, I’m proud of it, and anyone else should be ashamed to not be eating shit like me.”

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      This kind of false equivalency is how you end up with Trump.

      The fact that there’s no discernible difference between the parties (or, worse, that Trump rhetorically can outflank Dems from the popular left) should cause Democrats to soul-search and come back with a better political strategy. Instead, we just get this dogmatic insistence that Liz Cheney and Michael Bloomberg are better options than Donald Trump, so you have to go pound pavement in the 100° weather knocking doors, begging friends and neighbors over the phone, and dipping into your kids’ college funds to “donate till it hurts” in an effort to get them elected.

      It’s perfectly fine to dislike both

      It clearly is not. That’s the fucking problem. Telling people “go eat dogshit because its tastier than horseshit” and then bitching when your shit stand can’t break even is the root of the problem.

      Time and time and time again, liberal Democrats run away from the popular candidates in favor of the candidates that can raise the most money. Time and time and time again, these candidates lose to Republicans who are raising money from the exact same evil assholes.

      And when we finally fucking see a populist start winning in a bright blue city like NYC, you get the liberal media leadership saying this shit on national television.

      Bill Maher raises concerns over Mamdani’s Ugandan citizenship on ‘Real Time’

      It’s Birtherism all over again.

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      Both are shit sandwiches. Trying to use analogy to obfuscate willing participation in genocide, perpetuation of imperialism, brutalization of immigrants, etc doesn’t actually erase material reality.

      Organize.

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        Libs are almost pathologically reliant on analogies even in the simplest of scenarios because talking about things as they really are is often indefensible and would necessitate saying the most ghoulish and monstrous shit

      • Yup, they’re both the same thing, as long as you ignore the evidence of your eyes, ears and heart.

        Jesus Christ it’s like you’ve never hear the expression that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

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          Jesus Christ it’s like you’ve never hear the expression that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

          No one’s buying that democrats are “the good” anymore. They’re not even “the adequate.”

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            It’s almost like ignoring everything about a person except 1 aspect of them makes you too ignorant to talk about it.

            Go back to Reddit where your lack of critical thinking skills will help you fit in.

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              I’m not ignoring everything except one aspect, though. Both are genocidal, and both serve the interests of the US Empire above all-else, and as such they share far more in common than not. I’m not ignorant, and you can take your faux-superiority back. I’ve been here far longer than you have, telling me to go back to Reddit doesn’t make any sense. I’m a communist, the devs are communists, and a lot of communists are on Lemmy after various subreddits like r/GenZedong, r/TheDeprogram, and r/ChapoTrapHouse got banned. What I say fits in here.

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                I’m not ignoring everything except one aspect, though. Both are genocidal, and both serve the interests of the US Empire above all-else,

                Hardly. Democrats made it clear that they care about netanyahu’s political career above all else.

              • I’m not pretending America is the best country, or Harris would be the best for the world.

                I have 0 interest in Defending her, but claiming they’re the same with a straight face is fucking laughable. America would be a better country internally and on the global stage with her in charge, by any metric that isn’t “burn all capitalism down”.

                Here’s an easy one - would Harris have sent a citizen to CECOT without a trial? Obviously not, because she’s demonstrably different from Trump, like any 3 year old could determine.

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      You’re not “forced” to do anything.
      There are 3rd parties as always. You can find reasons and excuses not to vote for them but that’s all on you.
      Glad you ended up with Trump.
      Fascists and fascist-lite voters deserve it.

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        The problem here is structural. For president especially a 3rd party candidate is nothing more than a spoiler. It’s less so if they can win for the house or senate. I would whole heartedly agree with you if the Us had a parliamentary or ranked choice. But we don’t and until we do; with the demo crates it’s a slightly more likely, then just vote for the least fascist that has a chance to win. Use your 3rd party vote in the primaries.

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          The US Empire will never pass ranked choice voting in a manner that allows for systemic change. The point of the political system is to perpetuate the economic system, and fixing the problems with society requires advancing to socialism and leaving capitalism behind.

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          a 3rd party candidate is nothing more than a spoiler.

          And there we go with the excuses.
          In non-banana republics with a normal political landscape and populations with spines there have been parties and candidates scoring 1-2 percent, then 10, then 60. Or the other way.
          That’s how elections work, and nobody of those initial 1-2% voters gave up.
          Since outside the US, nobody propagates that defeatist BS.

          But OC, this election is “the most important election in history and in our lifetime” so now is not the time to rdo such crazy things as not vote for a duopoly you supposedly don’t like but have since the beginning of your miserable country.

          You have only yourself to blame and deserve zero sympathy.
          On the contrary.
          You’re like an arsonist that constantly burns houses and now cries because he managed to set his own home on fire.
          Well burn baby burn.

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    More like…

    The lever can reduce the speed of the trolley depending on which way you turn it, but regardless the trolley will gradually accelerate either way.

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    Hey OP, you wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?

    Hell, go tell a bunch of drag queens and trans people.

    While you’re at it, go find some under aged girls who’ve been impregnated by adult men and tell them the Dems are just as bad as the GOP.

    I’m sure it’ll resonate with all of them /s

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      Hey OP, you wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?

      Obama Leaves Office As ‘Deporter-In-Chief’

      Democrats tried so fucking hard to outflank the Republicans from the Right for eight long years. But as soon as they lost, its those damned leftists at fault for not voting harder.

      Hell, go tell a bunch of drag queens and trans people.

      I’ve got a trans friend who has more rotten things to say about Joe Biden than your eardrums can handle.

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      Hey hypocrite.
      Want to tell all the deported and kids in cages under Genocide Joe how that was much better?
      Or that bombing brown people everywhere in the world, droning weddings or aiding genocide of Palestinians is better bcs it’s under those Dems who have those famous ‘democratic values’ they’re always crying about?
      Just say it like it is, libs only care about themselves.
      You all didn’t give a fuck about what you did to the world since forever.
      And you probably also don’t give a fuck about trans people either.
      The problem is now the fascism you supported has come home, and the libs don’t like the taste of their own medicine.
      That’s ALL that bothering you.

      Enjoy your karma, hope you get a lot of it.

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      Hey OP, you wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?

      I’ll tell you.

      This shit was already happening. Yes, it’s taken another step under Trump, but the incrementalism occurred with Democratic fascists as well. What Trump is able to do now would be impossible if Democrats hadn’t seized on the illegal powers dreamed up by Clinton and Dubya and ran with them.

      Clinton, while fucking his interns, invented ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ and did nothing about persecution of gay people, and in fact, he was the one who signed DOMA. He invented “peacekeeping actions” so he could make war without calling it that, and he did just that. He cut the social safety net wholesale, making Americans poorer, and doubled down on poverty with his ‘free trade’ policies that helped usher in the era of companies moving offshore and killing US jobs. Oh, and he was a regular on Epstein’s island and the Lolita Express.

      Obama let police run roughshod in Ferguson and New York City, brutalizing victims of police violence and people who lost their homes and decided to participate in Occupy. He appointed Tom Homan and put kids in cages. He made torture explicitly extra-legal. He walked into Flint and performatively drank a glass of water. He dropped 26,000 bombs in the last year of his presidency and left office with American wars brewing in seven countries. We also learned under Obama that police departments in the US have black sites and his presidency was kidnapping renditioning people to black sites in foreign countries. He also ordered drone bombings that killed American citizens.

      We knew Biden was going to be shit when, in a time people wanted federal police reform, he mocked the change people wanted in his State of the Union address by calling for greater police militarization, and his presidency gave rise to ‘cop cities’. Even worse, it’s now possible for cops to hang out in a school that’s getting shot up, on camera, with zero consequences. After January 6 he did nothing meaningful to slow the evident rise of domestic fascism, showing a greater interest in keeping his scumbag son out of prison. He deported undocumented immigrants by the millions and continued the policy of caging kids. Biden earned the moniker ‘Genocide Joe’ for aiding and abetting the genocide in Israel, even when Israel escalated it into a manufactured famine, which is a war crime. Then he ran for president knowing he had dementia, paving the way for Trump’s second term, prioritizing his own ego over the country’s well-being.

      This isn’t a ‘Democrats are better’ scenario. Most people just haven’t really paid attention to what Democrats do or have the short-term memory of a goldfish.

      And before you try to argue they were powerless, consider that all three of these men had the presidency and control of Congress, just like Trump. They had all the power they needed to make real change. They just didn’t care.

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      While you’re at it, go find some under aged girls who’ve been impregnated by adult men and tell them the Dems are just as bad as the GOP.

      Sure, which victim of Clinton’s should we start with?

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      wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?

      Those neighborhoors will tell you that ICE had been around since 2002 and while happy you’re finally getting with the program, despite the current administration’s best attempts, 2012 was the worst year so far right after the democrats had their governmental trifecta and with the dreamers bait and switch.

      So yes, while different flavors, they have been equally bad.

      go tell a bunch of drag queens and trans people.

      Republicans despise them, Democrats love to use them. That isn’t necessarily better.

      go find some under aged girls who’ve been impregnated by adult men and tell them the Dems are just as bad as the GOP.

      Fucking yes, the big Epstein reveal is that it’s all of them. The Trumps and the Clinton’s.

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        Those neighborhoors will tell you that ICE had been around since 2002 and while happy you’re finally getting with the program, despite the current administration’s best attempts, 2012 was the worst year so far right after the democrats had their governmental trifecta and with the dreamers bait and switch.

        So yes, while different flavors, they have been equally bad.

        You are fucking delusional to the extreme.

        While ICE has been attacking immigrants for decades, you got to be a god damn idiot to equate ICE operating under Dems compared to Trump where ICE NOW HAS A BUDGET LARGER THAN THE MARINES, IS COMPLETELY EXEMPT FROM ANY LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE TRUMP HAS THROWN OUT THE CONSTITUTION, RAMPIDLY BUILT CONCENTRATION CAMPS AT A RECORD PASTETHAT ARE MORE RESTRICTED TO THE PUBLIC THAN EVER, AND NOW ARE MASS ARRESTING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND CITIZENS ALIKE.

        All while the rule of law has been entirely abandoned.

        It was bad for immigrants before, it’s actual Hell for everyone now.

        Not to mention it’s gotten so much worse that you can actually observe it on national economic data.

        Republicans despise them, Democrats love to use them. That isn’t necessarily better.

        I think any marginalized community would prefer having the wiggle room of being able to exist and organize under hollow virtue signals than ACTIVE AND RAPIDLY EXPANDING GENOCIDE.

        Call me crazy, but one seems a bit better than the other.

        Fucking yes, the big Epstein reveal is that it’s all of them. The Trumps and the Clinton’s.

        Completely avoiding the point. Are you playing stupid or is this just how you are?

        REPUBLICANS BANNED ABORTION

        REPUBLICANS WANT TO BAN CONTRACEPTIVES

        Dems, believe it or not, fucking didn’t.

        The only people you are helping by spreading this “both sides” BULLSHIT is the fascists. Take Trump’s tiny cock out of your mouth and smell the shit around you.

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          ICE NOW HAS A BUDGET LARGER THAN THE MARINES, IS COMPLETELY EXEMPT FROM ANY LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE TRUMP HAS THROWN OUT THE CONSTITUTION, RAMPIDLY BUILT CONCENTRATION CAMPS AT A RECORD PASTETHAT ARE MORE RESTRICTED TO THE PUBLIC THAN EVER, AND NOW ARE MASS ARRESTING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND CITIZENS ALIKE.

          The same can be said between Trump’s first term and Biden’ presidency. The level of funding and militancy isn’t a function of R vs D, but a function of time as they because increasingly less cost effective and require increasing force to attempt to maintain/increase the level of eliminations.

          All while the rule of law has been entirely abandoned.

          You’re delusional if you believe in the “rule of law”, that’s never been how the justice system has worked in the US.

          It was bad for immigrants before, it’s actual Hell for everyone now.

          Sorry you can no longer sleep through brunch and now have to face the realities that immigrants and others have been facing for decades.

          Not to mention it’s gotten so much worse that you can actually observe it on national economic data.

          … What? Can you clarify what you mean by this and what data? This feels like Facebook level finger pointing and not based on any actual data or proper analysis, but I’m happy to be proven wrong there.

          I think any marginalized community would prefer having the wiggle room of being able to exist and organize under hollow virtue signals than ACTIVE AND RAPIDLY EXPANDING GENOCIDE.

          Your “group” being spared genocide as a tool to influct genocide on others is not the “easy moral dilemma” you make it out to be.

          REPUBLICANS BANNED ABORTION

          The bipartisan nominated supreme court banned abortion during a democratic party trifecta.

          Blaming the Republicans primarily for that is as asinine as blaming the Democrats primarily for the current government shutdown.

          Dems, believe it or not, fucking didn’t.

          No? So they’re just completely powerless and their votes were forced even though they really, really didn’t want to?

          The only people you are helping by spreading this “both sides” BULLSHIT is the fascists.

          The difference is who we say are fascists. Yes, the Republicans are fascist, but so are the Democrats.

          Take Trump’s tiny cock out of your mouth and smell the shit around you.

          If there’s one thing we can agree on it’s that the elephant in the room is absolutely covered in shit. However, I’m busy trying to take the fucking animals outside and am currently begging for you to please, please stop sucking donkey cock, realize the problems, and help.

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        It’s relieving to see common sense on the internet, have upvote. It’s very interesting how the uniparty seems to get majority vote every single election.

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      “This is the problem with you Amerikkkan imperialists, you only care about your own people and don’t give a shit about anyone outside your country”

      ~(a paraphrase of) an actual reply I got one time when I shared this sentiment

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      Are you one of those? Or do you just talk over them, depriving them of their voice?

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    This thread is being targeted by a lot of no-content “correct the record” fediverse accounts, upvoting pro-genocide US democratic party and Israeli talking points. Please report them so we can ban them ASAP.

    Thank you to all the posters below doing great work debunking them.

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    The supposed democracy advocates within the democratic party continue to refuse to fix the First-past-the-post voting system.

    Dont worry, you can count on them to point out all the flaws of the voting system during the midterm while doing nothing to fix it before or afterwards.

    Trump was inevitable under such conditions. If you capture one (or more) political parties in a two party system, clearly you can undo every single check and balance. Wake up blue MAGA, your continued use of the FPTP crutch is a national security threat and will cause the nation to crumble.

    Was it worth it keeping those safe blue states? Was it worth the easy elections against the worst of us all?

    America last, party over country at all costs.

    Electoral Reform Videos

    First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

    Videos on alternative electoral systems

    STAR voting

    Alternative vote

    Ranked Choice voting

    Range Voting

    Single Transferable Vote

    Mixed Member Proportional representation

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      the FPTP crutch is a national security threat and will cause the nation to crumble.

      Don’t threaten me with a good time