• aliteral@lemmy.world
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    These people who hate GIMP didn’t really practice with it all that much. I use for my day job, editing photos and making content for marketplaces. It works very well. The workflow may be different to PS, yes, but that does not make GIMP bad. Also, for those who hate the UI, two things. First, why don’t you help the dev team? And second, we’ll have GTK3 support soon (finally).

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      GIMP is bad. If the problem was simply that it was “different to PS” then other apps like Krita and Affinity Photo would have the same reputation.

      If a user goes looking for a tool or feature and it’s not in the first place they look, that’s a problem of “didn’t really practice that much”. If experienced people need to look up how to do basic operations and their reaction is “that’s fucking stupid”, then the software is bad.

      To then say “well why don’t you help the Dev team then” is insane. I’m not spending hundreds of hours digging GIMP out of bad design decisions when I could just use better software and I haven’t seen any evidence that my PR would even be accepted.

      Nobody needs excuses and apologism, they need Blender for image editing and GIMP just isn’t that.

      • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
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        I mean, I’ve been using GIMP as my primary photo editor for…over a decade. When I use other programs, nothing is where I expect it to be and I think “well, that’s fucking stupid”

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          So you open any other image editor, click the rectangle select button, draw a rectangle, then select a move button beside the rectangle select tool, then it moves the rectangle you just selected and you think “That’s fucking stupid, it should’ve moved the entire image, not the rectangle I just selected!”

          Really?

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            Yes, really. If my move tool is set to layer move, dont change it just because I used the select tool for something completely unrelated. That is the typical dumbed down big colorful button approach that I hate in modern corporate software.

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              Look, that you’re used to the garbage UI doesn’t change that it’s garbage and in dire need of a fundamental revamp. If almost everyone here (and everywhere else) says that it sucks or is intransparent, then YOU may be the odd one out here ;)

              Imagine hating usable software you don’t need a PhD for. It’s kinda pathetic to make this your point of pride.

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              No, but “fix it yourself” is apparently a completely acceptable response if someone criticizes GIMP.

              Anyway, I don’t care how bad the tools you use are, but it’s time to stop acting shocked when industry professionals have no interest in GIMP and don’t take anyone who advocates it as a Photoshop alternative seriously.

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                Nobody is acting shocked. Least the people who learned to use GIMP.

                The problem is people like you who are outraged, when asking for a free Photoshop alternative, that the next best thing is not to their likening.

                And yes “consider fixing it yourself” is absolutely a valid response for GIMP issues because GIMP is made by volunteers For Photoshop it a bullshit response because it’s made by a billion dollar company which charges you for the development and use.

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                  Nobody is acting shocked. Least the people who learned to use GIMP.

                  So the people who learn GIMP are fully aware why it gets zero industry use? Thanks, that was my point.

                  The problem is people like you who are outraged, when asking for a free Photoshop alternative, that the next best thing is not to their likening.

                  I’m not outraged in the slightest, nor am I asking for a free Photoshop alternative. But I’ve seen people claiming GIMP is a viable alternative to Photoshop for 20 years and for anything past the most basic use cases, it isn’t. You may as well be telling people to use Nano instead of Visual Studio and when they complain about the experience, tell them to code the features themselves.

                  GIMP has had literally decades of development and even with Photoshop in the worst state it’s ever been in, it isn’t competitive. There are clearly systemic issues with the project and I’m certain this “head in the sand” mentality is at least partly to blame.

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      I tried. I really tried to like GIMP. The main reason I don’t like it is because it’s trying so hard to be a professional picture editor and the UI.

      Why can’t I deselect things? Why does something need to be selected at all times? Let me just click a button and remove the selection outline and deselect things.

      No. I won’t help the dev team because I can’t code to save my ass. I turn wrenchs and fix things for a living.

      I use other, simpler pic editors. Why should I learn to fly a Boeing 747 when a Cessna 172 will get me where I need to go? I’m making a shit post once every three months, not professional art.

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        You can deselect all with CTRL + SHIFT + A and deselect a specific part by changing the selection mode from replace or additive to subtract.

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      I think what burns people the most is that after Photoshop 5 or so, GIMP stopped keeping up with all the improvements in the later Photoshop versions. People making the jump from 2024 Photoshop to 1996 Photoshop UI/UX are gonna have a bad time.

      Edit: as a software developer I can say that I’ve never seen a user more frustrated, sometimes even irrationally so, when they are forced to re-learn muscle memory to perform a familiar task. I’ve also seen people practically riot at the mere suggestion that this will happen. If you wish to curry favor with your userbase, never ever, remove keyboard accelerators, move toolbars around, break workflow, etc.

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    I have no idea how selection works anywhere else, since I only ever used gimp.

    For me, I don’t understand this meme, selection seems to work very intuitively, it seems to do what I expect it to do.

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      It takes a while to figure out how selections in Gimp work.

      It whenever you select you have created a mask and when you combine it with layers it can get very confusing.

      If you accidentally select a small bit you cannot edit anything else. I think that is what OP is referring to.

      There is a tool that shows you what you have selected that can help.

      IMO Gimp isn’t very well documented so you can get stuck for a while before you understand what is going on.

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        Blender uses Alt+A.

        It consistently uses Alt as a modifier to execute inverse operations. I to insert a keyframe, Alt+I to delete it. Ctrl+F to set a text filter/search, Alt+F to clear it. Ctrl+P to set parent, Alt+P to clear it. H to hide selected objects, Shift+H to hide unselected objects, Alt+H to unhide all. {G,R,S} to move/rotate/scale, Alt+{G,R,S} to reset transformations. It’s not exactly industry standard, but internally consistent that makes learning it easy.

        Ctrl+D to deselect is stupid.

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    Gimp sucks. That’s why people on Linux rather use krita to edit photos and it wasn’t even built to do that.

    Gimp is a horrible mistake that should literally be killed off and it should be put into a failure museum to serve as a warning and a reminder how Foss can take a wrong turn and many free development hours are spent towards building the wrong things and continue to disappoint any user that tries it.

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      Have an upvote. I’d pay double what Affinity is currently asking to have their products on Linux. Gimp is the opposite of intuitive.

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      I’m so sorry that you feel the $0.00 you’ve spent on GIMP’s development were not well spent

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      I literally use GIMP every day at my job. It’s a very powerful application that makes my life easier.

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      Absolute you problem. GIMP is some of the best and most powerful FOSS ever made, and better than most proprietary applications. But this is probably just bait anyway.

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      Gimp needs fixing. It’s definitely not beyond it. But sure go simp for Microsoft some more (yes I remember you from other threads)

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      I’ve used GIMP to create all of my memes. It’s just fine, even if the UI can be unintuitive.

      It lacks features compared to Photoshop, which is a reference to the fact that 2 developers maintain the core features of it.

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      You don’t get it.

      If you’re not spending hours trying to figure out how to do the most basic shit then it’s not for you, pal. Ever heard the expression pressure turns coal into diamonds?

      That’s right.

      That’s because we’re not bitch ass pussies. Last night I spent five hours trying to merge some layers, and you know what? Worth it! I read the docu, had a back and forth with the developers and after they threatened to kill my family I got it. I’m now a proud member of the Gimp Club Tm (choker and gag ball not included).

      Ya gotta give to get some, Shirley. Now move over, I need to block out the rest of the day so I can figure out how to export a PNG.

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    I know, its so hard to press F1 and change the keys to be whatever you want; even copying adobe’s keybindings. It takes a whole 15 minutes of setup, the horror.

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      I never knew about it until now and I’ve used GIMP often enough, but if I was going to assign a keyboard shortcut, that makes sense. Ctrl +A select all. Ctrl + Shift + A select none.

      Shift is the oppositer (reverser?). Tab goes to next field, Shift + Tab goes in reverse order. Ctrl + T open new tab in browser, Ctrl + Shift + T reopen last closed tab - OK that’s not exactly opposite but close enough.

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      counterpoint, learn nondestructive editing and you can use any image tool you want that supports it. IMO this is a far nore useful skill than investing time into one app that can’t even do nondestructive🥲

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    I have used Gimp for years and I actually do not understand this meme. Like, do you not understand how image selection and/or layers work? What tf did you think would happen except for exactly what happens?

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      maybe its because of the thing where you select something and try moving it and it moves the whole layer? thats the only thing ive ever had a problem with in gimp

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        Ooohh, okay, I get how that could be unintuitive. Thank you.

        It’s better to separate it to another layer so I do it without realizing. If you have trouble with outlines forming then use copy instead of cut.