Just like a schizophrenic or demented person. No sorry there is a reality we all share and I will not light myself on fire because the voices in your head are telling me to.
where’s the shitpost? what’s happened to this com?
‘My magical delusions forbid me from using common sense’.
Aight man, godspeed I guess 😅The issue is that the vast majority of people don’t view religion as “what I should or shouldn’t do.” They view it as “what should and shouldn’t be done.” They can’t just follow the tenants themselves; in order to follow their religion - at least not the way they interpret it - they need to make sure the tenants are being universally followed. That’s why religion is always at odds with society as a whole unless that society is already overbearingly religious. It will never change unless there are no major groups within society with different beliefs than the norm.
What about the landlords? Are they also universally followed?
Stop inviting the landlord to minecraft night for god sakes
Be cool if we could convince them that there were a limited number of souls allowed in heaven (say, 144K) and it was to their benefit to steer other away from the righteous path to enhance their chances (of course that could be what they are doing now, for all I know).
That would just lead to mass murder, let’s be real here
Also with christianity, they’re literally instructed by their holy book to punish you the moment you heard about their god and you decide to not convert.
I don’t have a religion so anyone that uses their’s to try to enforce their rules on me can hang
same with their end times bullshit. look pal I don’t believe in your invisible friend, I REALLY don’t believe in the entire fanfic franchise much less care which one wins your WWE headcannon shit.
More honest:
My religion says I can’t do that.
I don’t care.
My religion says you can’t do that.
I don’t care.
That’s unfortunately not how it works. The religious very often use their religion as an excuse to control other peoples’ lives.
Indeed, all fun and games until they kidnap you from the streets because their religious laws prohibit the way you dress.
I don’t care
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you lose your freedom. Be sure to remain meek when they come to shackle you, it’ll be fine I’m sure.
No one is coming to shackle me for a religious reason. There is essentially zero chance of that happening. Thanks for the useless advice.
I live in the US and right now there is a real prospect of that happening to any of us.
Just because I don’t care what you have to say doesn’t mean I won’t fight you if you try to enact the dumb bullshit your fairy tales tell you
When you realize you need to fight it is likely too late. Look at the US.
Take a breath.
Everyone else caring about their religion is how they are able to impose their religion on others.
That’s definitely how it works. Fuck their god and fuck them too. They can worship who or whatever the hell they want but the minute they try to shove it down everyone’s throat that’s when it’s a problem…
I’m going to vote for the guy who shares my religious values, and he’s going to make the thing you’re doing illegal
💣
Actually “fuck off” to the above statement as well in many cases. “I’m a gynecologist. My religion says I can’t do an abortion.” Fuck off. Where I live (Croatia) pharmacies can refuse to sell you contraceptive pills if the person on the counter says it disagrees with their religion. Fuck off.
People’s values are never a purely private matter.
I’m a gynecologist. My religion says I can’t do an abortion.
I would say that if “you” won’t perform an abortion, “you” are not actually a gynecologist. Go study and practice urology, or proctology, or gastroenterology, or oncology, or neurology, or cardiology, or dermatology, or any other field where “you” will not be called upon to perform a simple, routine procedure.
That’s what you’d assume, but again in my country this is not a rare situation. Yes, people literally spend years studying to become gynecologists, and then don’t want to do one of the important parts of their job.
Admittedly, it is believed that many of the gynecologists actually do the abortions… in private clinics where they work in along with their job in the public hospital.
I would call that “fraud”. In declaring themselves “gynecologists”, they are effectively advertising that they are qualified and willing to perform routine gynecological procedures. Their refusal to do so constitutes a fraud on patients seeking such services.
“Neonatology”, “Histology”, “Reproductive physiology” and “Reproductive biology” are comparable specialty fields wherein the practitioner would not be expected to perform elective abortions.
Additionally, if they would prefer to call themselves “general practitioners”, I would be far more lenient in allowing them to define their own scope of practice.
That’s ridiculous, if you don’t want to do the job, don’t be a pharmacist.
“My religion says I shouldn’t vaccinate my kids” Fuck off.
I think because most religious tenets are more restrictive rather than permissive, it’s easy to say “everyone should have the freedom to practice their own religion.”, but the part that gets left out is “including no religion at all.” and that is an important distinction.
Whenever I meet these types of psycho Christian nationalists who think it’s A-OK to impose their own regressive views on others by rewriting the law to be a reflection of their holy text, I just fire back with an even more regressive, barbaric interpretation of a religious commandment.
“I worship Ba’al Hamon, and my religion says I must sacrifice an infant child to gain his favor. I will lobby my congressmen to change the law to add an exception to infanticide when performing a ritualistic blood offering. Oh, what’s that? You don’t like that? Gee, and you were so gung-ho about forcing people to abide by your religious demands a second ago. I thought we were cool with forcing our beliefs on other people?”
If your religion can’t coexist with nonbelievers without forcibly bending them to your rules, it’s a shit religion.
if the person on the counter says it disagrees with their religion
“Dont go to the pharmacy on wednesdays because that bitch Mary is on shift.”
You provided a good counterpoint. These self-imposed restrictions can become obstructive or even weaponized. It’s like a variation of weaponized incompetence.
These restrictions can also lead to people making onerous demands of others to accommodate.
I want to learn to give abortions by hitting pressure points. Ahem, hey baby ready for a back massage? Great, let’s do it in the garage or shed.
“My religion prohibits it!”
THEN DON’T FUCKING DO IT.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
shame we can’t prevent them from voting about it.
Taboos aren’t just intended to uphold individual moral integrity. They exist to prohibit social harm.
Like what? I can understand something like cannibalism and incest resulting in some diseases, which is fair, although they’re not exclusive to religion. But most typical religious taboos are harmless and arguably more harmful to society for no good reason.
I can understand something like cannibalism and incest resulting in some diseases, which is fair, although they’re not exclusive to religion.
They don’t need to be. Religious and secular moral codes regularly inform one another.
Do you have examples? If that were true, religious taboos would be more rational.
I mean, a lot of religions don’t particularly denounce cannibalism. Catholicism is famously based on eating the flesh of Christ, and it’s repeated in every Sunday mass. And the Christian Bible also makes several references to incest, like with the story of Lot and his daughters.
Do you have examples?
Medicalized secular acceptance/resistance toward vaccination has been picked up by religious organizations and turned into a sectarian belief.
The NIH even had a study illustrating how outreach to religious leadership heavily impacted how communities adopted vaccination.
I mean, a lot of religions don’t particularly denounce cannibalism
Virtually every modern world religion has a stated position on murder generally speaking, human sacrifice specifically, and dietary taboos around cannibalism.
Vaccines? Has that ever been a taboo? That’s a general and recent attitude.
Alright, fair with cannibalism being frowned upon. I still can’t think of many more significant examples.
Has that ever been a taboo?
Pretty much since their inception, although it has waxed and waned with public perception.
I still can’t think of many more significant examples
Pedophilia is always one that leaps to mind. Faith groups regularly wrestle with the age of consent, and largely shape their views around secular consensus rather than any liturgical instructions.
The Madonna / Whore Complex has it’s imprint stamped all over modern Christendom, with religious leadership being the textbook cases.
Your statement dodges the point in many ways.
In theory, yes
Define “social harm”.
Harm inflicted across the general public, either to particular individual victims or as a negative externality experienced universally.
love how the bible literally says public displays of faith and prayer is wrong yet people who’ve never read the bible will claim otherwise.
Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
For what it’s worth, that’s not an especially relevant passage here, as it’s less to do with being open about your faith and moreso about intent. For example, those who would go to the synagogue to pray or who would give alms to make themselves feel better and appear righteous. The Bible is crystal clear that you should be openly expressing your faith to others should the intent be to spread the religion. Mark 16:15–16, for example, reads (NIV):
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
Probably more relevant for your case are the passages along the lines of: “Look, give it the old college try, but if they aren’t willing to listen, don’t be a bitch about it; just move on.” For example:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Etc.
My brother was studying to become a Jesuit and there was this running joke amongst the Jesuits about praying where they would go “Why? God doesn’t exist.” This may sound hypocritical and it kind of is, but they consider the religion more a moral framework rather than something to rigorously believe in. That’s also why Pope Francis resonated with many non-believers because, at least the modern Jesuits, apply the moral lessons of the New Testament with a healthy dose of rationality (they are considered the intellectual branch of the church for a reason).
Very few, if any, Jesuit these days believe in the existence of a god, but they find value in the moral framework and how they can apply that to make this world a better place. It’s the only religious order I can stomach to have conversations with.
This right here I think is the ultimate way to practice religion. It’s an excellent framework for helping understand your connection to the universe and how your morality intertwines.
I’ve been reading up on Taoism and one of the things I resonated with is that it accepts the idea that you can worship anything. Even a rock. It’s not about actually believing that the thing holds power, but rather allowing yourself to give in a bit to the universe in an understanding that you are ultimately powerless. You have to give up some of your agency to the idea that there is power beyond your control and understanding and you have to accept that.
If you believe you’re an individual being separate from the world around you, the world will catch up to that idea. Aggressively. But if you accept that the world does not cater to you, and if you surrender some of that responsibility to a higher power, you’re not nearly as blindsided when the world finds you.
Uhuh, more from your Bibble.
“Let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.” Matthew chapter five verse sixteen
“your good works”
Doesn’t say a thing about seeing you preach or pray.
Just giving glory to the heaven and the father. Whatever that means.
But if your a Bible fan, then shut up…per God.
1 Timothy 5:1–2 (ESV) Do not rebuke an older man but encourage him as you would a father.
Definitely not a big fan of religion at all. I just like pointing out the good parts of the bible that contradict how most christians act.
Got you bro.
“A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.”
James chapter one verse eight
It’s the Bible, so even that passage is contradicted in another book.
This is the answer I was looking for
🤔 I understand this more like “Don’t practice the religion as a way to show off. Don’t make a YouTube/TikTok/whatever video giving a homeless man $100. Just give the guy $100 and STFU about it. Also, stop posting prayers in comment sections on social media; it seems fake, and you make the rest of us look silly too.”
I’m not a bible guy though, so idk
It’s the intent that matters here, not all public displays of faith go against the teachings of Jesus. But yeah, someone doing it just to draw attention is wrong.
lol, jesus said “do as I mean, not as I say!” “What do you mean, Jesus?” “Listen closely:”
It’s that kind of double think that dulls the critical mind over time
Even the top part is not innocuous when it’s vaccines they say they “can’t” do.
innocuous
I see what you did there.
tbf religion as a whole is such an insane concept that trying to imput any time of logic to it is also insane
Whenever I tell people I don’t drink tea or coffee because of my religion the conversation goes like this
“Your Mormon?!”
“Not really, not so much anymore”
“So why don’t you drink it now?!”
“Because it’s gross. It’s an acquired taste I never acquired “
“How do you wake up then?”
“Cocaine”
Edit: I don’t like the taste of cocaine either but I love how it smells.
I was never a coffee drinker for unrelated reasons, and also never acquired the taste for it even though the smell is generally nice.
But now I’m in my 40s and have multiple medical conditions (i.e., more than just the AuDHD, lol) that are treated with stimulants, so I will usually supplement my adderall with a cup of coffee in the morning and one at lunch time.
The nice thing is that I don’t have decades of tolerance and habit around the stuff, so it is still nice and potent. Instead of adding a bunch of junk to it, I just let it cool off then drink it quickly or add a chocolate protein shake to it for a few breakfast calories if I didn’t eat.
Plus even though I don’t like the taste I think the coffee at work is decent because it’s a machine that grinds whole beans, and the operations manager for our location fills the hopper with the beans himself. Some Starbucks somebody gave me recently tasted rotten in comparison. And that’s not “mischievous child” rotten, that’s carcass rotten.
Some Starbucks somebody gave me recently tasted rotten in comparison
Sbucks always tastes like dogshit because they burn the absolute shit out of their beans. No one goes there to taste coffee, they go because they want caffeinated vanilla pumpkin mace choco cinnamon. I can’t imagine they started that way when they were a little shop in seattle so I think when they exploded they needed a consistent flavor as the base, and the way they accomplished that was by over roasting all the variations out of the beans they got.
I have pretty severe adhd. Going thru treatment options now because cocaine isnt the standard treatment lol
I drink a lot of soda and before cocaine I was up to 4 amp energy drinks a day plus the sodas.
I was totally one of those “don’t talk to me until I’ve had coffee “ but with energy drinks
I think the disconnect comes from the phrasing of the first sentence. Perhaps combine it with the third?
No can do. I’m from the south. Conversation isn’t supposed to be efficient. I could be held legally responsible if a conversation last shorter than ten minutes.
As a Southern Californian I find Southerners tiring. Why use many words when few words work good?
Fair
FairOkFTFY.
Too short, be careful with that efficient words of yours, or you may face a fine
My religion says to love and have compassion unconditionally, full stop
You can have that worldview without religion.
Out of curiousity, which one is this?
And whether you look under the rug, is that true in all texts of the religion?
Buddhism, more specifically vajrayana.
I think it’s better understood amongst practitioners that if you don’t walk the path then you’re not really a Buddhist. I know this is true of pretty much all religions but there’s no, what I call, John 3:16 clause. There are many Christian’s who think just believing in Jesus. This may be true in other religions too but I’m from Christianity. Buddhism gave me a different perspective on what it means to believe though. To believe in a teacher is to follow and apply those teachings through every aspect existence. Believe or take refuge in the teaching, not the vehicle that delivered that teaching.
I don’t care.
Metal is my religion.
And Judas is my Priest.
Crom gives you everything you need at birth. Then he ignores your prayers.
Pray for a pot of gold while you are at it.
Crom is the excuse for shameless self-optimization.
I knew there’s some backstory to it (it’s not always a case with Oglaf). The whole arc is great
Longest oglaf arc I believe. It’s rare to even get 2 pages, let alone 24.
And Dark my angel!
What in the name of Judas-Rockin-Priest is going on here!
If you can be convinced to believe in a god/gods that can never be proven to be real, you can be convinced of anything. Religious=gullible
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Not everyone who believes in entities and deities (and you’re assuming gendered pronouns and, by extension, unknowingly reinforcing the Abrahamic machismo whenever you use the masculine noun “god” to describe any deity/entity being worshipped by a worshipper, ignoring that there are Goddesses and feminine spirits as well, such as Pomba-giras, Lilith, Shakti, Kali, Morana, Morrigan, Santa Muerte, Ereshkigal, Hekate, Isis, Sekhmet, Bastet, Naunet, Babalon, among countless other feminine entities and Goddesses) does so out of being convinced by someone else.
To use my own experience as an example, I began worshipping an unified and syncretic Dark Mother Goddess without being convinced by anyone else. At that time, I used to be a member of a Luciferian sect, whose worshipping was centered around the male aspects of Lucifer, not the feminine aspects of Lilith, for example. Unexpectedly even to myself, I got this uncanny call of a powerful feminine spiritual energy who suddenly took me like a thousand hurricanes and became the epicenter of my entire existence, even though it happened to the disapproval of the Luciferian sect I was part of. I left the sect and, since then, I’ve been following a very personal (and quite lonely) syncretic belief system built of entities and concepts borrowed from and based upon several different systems, none of which I really belong to.
So, tl;dr: not everyone who believes in entities and deities does so out of being convinced by others, in fact, some (like me) even does so against any convincing from others, out of strange phenomena such as gnosis and synchronicity. Perhaps She is the one convincing me, thus validating your point about “one being convinced to believe”? Maybe… but humans aren’t the ones convincing in this specific situation.
New copypasta just dropped
Cringe
What’s cringe in that, they shared an opinion, didn’t try to force everyone to abide by their rules, it was an interesting read. I mean, that’s not something I personally find good or safe, but that’s not a recommendation from them. Or is that part about masculine pronouns cringe?
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Sometimes I wonder if all the people (six by now, and two on my other reply in this thread) who are downvoting my two fairly respectful (at least trying to be respectful to the OP) counter-arguments are, deep inside, machistas/misogynists, downvoting me because I dared to remind people that there are feminine Goddesses and I dared to mention some of Their names… Your people’s current lack of counter-counter-arguments doesn’t convince me otherwise.
idk I think people shouldn’t be able to sell their children into marriages at 14 years old just because they don’t share my beliefs that that’s horrible. Meanwhile they think that an abortion harms a child in a way that outweighs b the mother’s right to decide whether or not her body gets used as life support and I don’t. I think whether or not it’s important to meddle in other’s private and family lives is actually a fairly complicated question.
Nuance!? In my Lemmy!? XD
