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Not to throw stones, because I live in the USA, but it really sucks to learn that Chile just elected a climate change denier, too.
Yeah. The hope living here is that we are just The Ass-hole Of The World. People in general aren’t suicidal piece of shit lemmings, it’s just Americans, and maybe, just maybe, if we can stop ruining everything so fucking rabidly for ten god damn seconds, if we can stop being world historic fuck-ups and keep our bullshit contained, the other 7.7b people on earth will have a chance to start fixing shit.
And finding out any substantial group of them are the exact same pieces of shit just with less power feels incredibly doom, incredibly demoralizing.
I live in SWEDEN and its 10C(50f) in the middle of december. How the fuck does that even work? This is seriously wrong.
“To fix it you need to invest money and buy more stuff.” Source: Trust me bro.
Partially true
But that stuff is railroads canals aerostats. Machines to recycle cars and jets. Guns to exterminate the wealthy. Local artisnal manufacturing.
My conspiracy theory is that billionaires like Musk and Gates believe in climate change but want it to happen because it will primarily genocide black Africans and the billionaires will not suffer from it.
it will primarily genocide
black Africansthe poor and the billionaires will not suffer from it.There, FTFY
Musk doing Roman salutes and Gates focussing on birth preventions in Africa instead of feeding the poor seems a bit too coincidental to me.
They all have bunkers in New Zealand, in their minds, if it gets bad enough, it’ll simply mean they have to go live in compounds/bunkers near each other, and come drink each other’s wine all day. Many folks have pointed out how this will not work - the people who secure them, who fly the helicopters and jets, who make the food and carry the guns - they’re human beings too, and at the very last minute, they will act in their own best interests. So that seat on a jet for Bill Gates might just end up being filled by the pilot’s wife instead.
But they don’t care, magical thinking run amok.
I think the 0.1%'s racism comes from the lack of action rather than a deliberate action. They know climate change is real, they know it’s accelerating. They know their actions are accelerating it and that it will mean suffering for an uncountable number of people. What they’re betting on is that by extracting as much wealth as quickly as possible they can protect themselves and their loved ones from the worst of it for as long as possible. If a lot of people need to suffer to make that happen, that’s a sacrifice they’re willing to make.
It’s just that all the systems that the 0.1% use to accumulate their wealth and power are also racist systems. Which they are totally happy to take the power and money but aren’t willing to do more than a token demonstration against the system that makes them. Cause that would put themselves at risk of losing something, and that is a thought the super rich cannot handle.
It’s not even about fixing it. It’s about stopping to increase the damage we do until 2050 (or 2060).
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Things seem to be going just fine
I would simply be in the top 1%
I usually just assume people around me are left leaning and progressive.
I went to London to visit the satellite office and one of the top guys there was having a rant against vegans. I chimed in a bit and said, “well, you can say what you want but vegans are at least doing good for the environment”.
The guy was like, “I don’t believe that”
I thought he was joking, so I said, “haha what, you don’t believe in climate change?”
I should have never said that. Ten minutes of him furiously ranting about nonsense.
I got great quotes such as: “you know what climate change is? it’s when seasons change” and also “we should be eating more animals because it increases the carbon in the world and is good for us”.
Fucking hell. When I got back to the Canadian office and told my coworkers about him, the others were telling me how much of a prick he was – and they didn’t know anything about the climate change denial shit he was into either.
You can easily bitch about vegans and not be a climate change denialist.
Wait, you’re saying someone who is confidently incorrect happens to be an asshole? Shocking!
I believe climate change is real, but I don’t believe being vegan is an effective method to combat it, so I don’t think vegans are doing good for the environment
Is this sarcasm?
It’s not a question of belief. It’s a question of understanding facts. Just like “believing” in climate change or vaccines or science in general.
The claim is as follows
I don’t believe being vegan is an effective method to combat [climate change]
Do we have hard data showing that if more people went vegan, it’d significantly affect climate change? Because if not… Then yes, I’d say it is a question of belief.
If what we have is data on the impact of the meat industry, data on the impact of things like water use and gases produced by animals on the climate, data on how the climate behaves and changes in general, and data on how other things affect the environment, you have to trust and believe that not only every part of it is right, but that it was also all put together and compared correctly.
And it’s difficult to know who to believe, when there seems to be so much conflicting information these days.
I’ll also say honestly that I don’t know if being vegan has a significant impact. What I’ve heard and read a lot of is that there’s a lot of blaming of individuals while supposedly big corporations are the ones causing the most pollution… Which simultaneously ignores the question of how much of that pollution is driven directly by people buying products that are polluting to produce.
The whole thing feels hopeless, and one feeling I do get about that is that doing anything as an individual seems pointless, since countless more people… They don’t just not care, they’ll actively do things they know are polluting, either because they’re a bit cheaper, or downright as a statement of objection to caring about global warming.
Regarding individual action, being vegan is likely the most effective thing one can do to reduce ones own emissions (except if you’re a frequent flyer, then stop flying). Yes, that’s under the assumption that individual action induces change. But that would also be arguing against switching to bikes, using public transport, and less flying.
You’re completely right that we need systemic change. And to get there, protesting, direct action, civil disobedience are likely the best we can do and far more effective than individual changes. But these actions also only become effective once there is an actual systemic shift.
I will note, in reply, one major point - there’s plenty of other arguments for going vegan, biking, using public transport. I think veganism is more ethical, and I have the impression it’s healthier as well - and both apply to biking and public transport in their own ways, health is kinda obvious, but ensuring widespread accessibility for people without cars seems like an ethical positive, and if respected for city planning it’d also make more pleasant cities to live in.
What I’m getting at is… Well, I’m not sure how to express it, but I guess to not forget the bigger picture? I feel like the previous commenter talking about not believing going vegan will have an impact was getting kinda dogpiled on (not really the right word, but maybe close enough), for what seemed like a reasonable statement, because they were speaking in opposition to something they might very well still consider a good thing.
being vegan is likely the most effective thing one can do to reduce ones own emissions
I doubt it. first of all, consumption hardly causes any emissions at all. those happen at the production level.
being vegan is likely the most effective thing one can do to reduce ones own emissions
No, the most effective is not having kids.
Assumption is that animal industry will reduce if more people become vegan, and that has a big impact.
But I unfortunately agree, that the industry will likely not change until maybe at least 50% of population are strict vegans, or maybe even then, they will just try to make the rest of population consume more meat to never reduce the production.
here’s a fact: meat production only goes up.
Yes it does. But that’s not due to vegans, is it?
being vegan hasn’t stopped it
I found it funny, in a morbid way, when the then conservative Australian Prime Minister announced 4 floods in Queensland each only weeks apart. I’m paraphrasing here since I can’t be bothered looking up the numbers. The first was once in 500 years, the next; once in a century, then one in 50 years and then once in a decade. The timelines just kept getting shorter! Eventually they’d be once a week floods, then once a day!! But it’s totally normal and definitely not climate change.
Hard to believe that some people still take morons like that seriously. You’d really have to be in a state of complete denial to look at the 4th flood, listen to the PM and think “boy am I glad the Greeny tree huggers aren’t in charge.”
some people still take morons like that seriously.
The morons who vote for them.
We can’t fix the environment now, we have to fix the man made economic disaster that happens every 5-10 years
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We don’t need to worry or change anything because science will come up with a magic solution any day now we pinky promise.
The fucked up part is: Science has already come up with a magical solution, plenty in fact; we’re just failing to implement them. Renewables, and especially solar, are developing at an incredible pace and in a better world would already be the main source of energy worldwide. The only technology missing from this equation is the guillotine.
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scienceAI”
The last panel should read “the highest profits on record” /s
Nowadays: AGI will come up with a solution.
“42” the machine said, after long deliberation.
The crowd gasped.
“You would need to have begun mitigations to prevent catastrophic consequences 42 years ago”
The crowd’s face fell.
This is a twit of a comic. Why include the twitter guy? Did he make the comic?
Nope, I just found it like this.
