I don’t read r/conservative much but what I’ve seen is they keep banning actual conservatives because they correctly call out what Trump is doing on things where it’s not about left and right but right and wrong.
Some people are saying that it could be coincidental. OP asks why would the two accounts who post so regularly just happen to both stop at the same time on that day.
Conservative used to actually be kind of split. I remember back in the day, maybe around 2010 or so, could have been later, there were a bunch of people who said things like the state staying out of marriage is a conservative position. I guess more of the libertarian type folks but still, it was more ideologically diverse back then.
That ideological diversity did not just fade on its own. Over the past decade it has been actively pruned away. Spaces like r/conservative now routinely permaban anyone who steps outside an approved line, including the kind of libertarian arguments that used to be common. What remains is a tightly controlled echo chamber that presents itself as grassroots discussion while functioning more like propaganda. Given that shift, it is hard to take it seriously as a place for real conservative debate.
Dollar for dollar it seems like it might be cheaper to bribe trump with bitcoins than run an internet disinfo campaign. But what do I know?
It’s not about Trump. Presidents come and go, but the population and society stays for the next election and the next president.
Conservatives need brand new online communities that do not push them farther into the brain rot. Seriously are there any good online communities for them still around?
Conservatives need brand new online communities that do not push them farther into the brain rot.
That’s an oxymoron as conservatism is already a brain rot
The problem is they like the brain rot. It would be like taking away booze from an alcoholic. It can only be done if they accept they have a problem.
i would wager that these quickly get perverted
Good job, OP. You’ve successfully disinformed 1.5k Lemmitors who upvoted this. Hope you’re happy contributing to Lemmy becoming a conspiracy-brained ingroup.
Maybe 30% - 50% of content on any subreddit is bots / shills?
Dead internet theory and all that.
It certainly seems like the same old comments over and over on reddit these days…
50% actually, its growing i suspect.
Surprising to nobody who isn’t a conservative.
reminds me of in 2017 and 2022 when reddit did a big prune of identified russian bot accounts and people on r/conservative were ponderous about why it had gotten so quiet
thats just conservative media as a whole its a psyop to make people not pay attention to real issues by distracting gullible people by making them believe silly conservative ideas that ultimately end up biting them in the ass later. Its just business to these outlets and influencers, theyre paid by how good they are at painting a picture even if it isnt backed up at all by reality.
It’s direct from the Russian playbook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_generation_warfare
This explains why they sent a bunch of rust bucket soviet tanks into ukraine. It seemed to have the opposite effect when they got blown up though. This feels like a deeply risky strategy with the risk being a mix of blowback and rallying your enemies.
The plan doesn’t account for one universal law: Russians always lie and steal.
In this case the people in charge of psyops in Ukraine pocketed the budget and just sent “yep, all good” reports upstream.
On the other hand, things are working really well on social media. Go on any TikTok video about the Ukraine war or about EU internal politics and within 1-2 minutes you have people arguing with VERY specific talking points and have 50+ likes.
And you can see when they escalate the basic talking points to Tier 2 Arguers, I had one guy claiming to be Irish know very very very specific things about some EU investigation that happened in Ukraine around 2012. Stuff that NOBODY cares about unless you’re a hardcore Russia fan, a Russian disinfo bot or in a very specific place on the spectrum.
blowback and rallying your enemies.
imo exactly what’s happened with russia… pre-full-scale invasion nobody gave a shit about russia… even crimea tbh people were mostly indifferent
now? i dont know anyone real that doesn’t think the whole country can go to hell, and that russia always lies
the standard reaction to hearing about undersea cables being cut is: fuck russia; we should bomb their fucking ships those absolute cunts - even if we have no idea if it’s russia or not!
win or lose in ukraine, russia has lost so much - at least for the short-term
It’s probably happeneing here on Lemmy, too. Granted, I can be abrasive, but the lovely mods here delete my posts almost every time I engage with a fucking stinking Yuri bot.
It’s worse here. At least r/conservative is just bots. There are plenty of idiots here who proudly spew Russian propaganda
It’s definitely happening. /c/conservative on most instances is just farmed posts.
not on lemmy.world AND I did my part.
https://lemmy.world/post/33388933?scrollToComments=true
I also made two of the bots delete their accounts
you could try being slightly less aggro and racist if you don’t want your posts getting deleted
If that were the case, I’d still be on Reddit.
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I feel like your claim, that Russia is of one distinct race of people, is the real racism, here.
Either way, tolerance ends with the intolerant. The Russia people have had plenty of chances to prevent Putin from gaining power and waging war, and they did nothing, so fuck em.
Well that’s a shitty attitude. The average Russian has as much power as … yeah … pretty much nothing. Like all of us who aren’t ultra rich in every country in the world. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, but that’s a different matter.
People with no power tore the USSR apart, toppled monarchies across Europe, ended the company stores and brought civil rights in the USA.
The only real reason is that they don’t actually mind all that much or they think it can be fixed somehow.
For every victim in Russia there are two or three perpetrators.
The USSR was torn apart by Yeltsin and co, with US backing. Putin was America’s guy because he had the best shot against the communists simply winning reelection.
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As an American, every American is responsible for Trump, that’s kinda how it works. That’s how the world sees it, and that’s how you should understand it.
I am absolutely not responsible for that piece of shit.
So you got out and vote against Trump, you canvass for his opponents, you attend marches against him, and you educate others of the risks of trump.
Yet you’d still be responsible for him. Thats some wacky logic there lad.
Edit: Mods removed by reply below. All i said was my city was bombed by terrorists, Manchester Arena Bombing, and I don’t hold all people of the same race as the bombers responsible. Where the fuck are we r/conservative with the censorship.
Lool
Damn bro pulled up with the receipts and everything.
Yeah, and the mods deleted it.
I despise anyone who would try to stick up for Dumbass Donnie And Puny Pootin.
Dumbass Donnie And Puny Pootin.
are you trying to get me to cringe to death jfc lmao
I think they’re both criminals that Lenin would have shot, idk why you think the childlike names are a cutting insult
you’re acting like me saying this shit from oop doesn’t add up is proof that I’m in league with them.
Trump thinks nicknames are worthy, because he thinks it hurts feelings (don’t forget, his development fully arrested around the 4th grade), which means it would also hurt his feelings if he was called names.
And I love to see his feelings hurt. He should never live a day of peace in life, in which he isn’t constantly worrying and fighting about how much literally everyone he knows, and doesn’t know, despises and disrespects him.
My preferred name for him is HitlerPig, ever since I heard that was the name the younger staffers in the Biden White House called him.
it would also hurt his feelings if he was called names.
Okay, but you’re tilting at windmills. These people are never going to hear your voice nor see your words, and I doubt they’d be hurt by some rando who means nothing to them calling them names.
You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land, the common clay of the new West.
Lmao, calling this nazi is not only unhinged, it’s fucking hilarious.
ML user trying not to be cringe when Russia or China comes up challenge failed. You used to hold less water for those weirdos, the propoganda is actually changing you.
the comments were moderated on .world, not .ml idk why you’re making it about that.
anyway the guy just essentially called me a cockroach, or at least he thinks of me as one. that’s why he sounds fashy as fuck
You are becoming just as much of a call-outable .ml weirdo as any of the top users. It’s both obvious and sad.
At a certain point doesn’t the word nazi just lose all meaning when you use it when your feefees get hurt. You’re seeing fascists and Nazis every where you look, it’s becoming the word you use when you disagree, it’s fucking cringe.
Like seriously, it’s weird.
the guy calls everyone he disagrees with Russian, and cockroaches, I don’t think you’re in any position to complain about me identifying what I see him as in return.
At a certain point doesn’t the word nazi just lose all meaning when you use it when your feefees get hurt.
for me it’s generally reserved for the people who absolutely revel in dehumanizing other humans.
lol rusnya
That ain’t racist. That’s just the truth.
- What rednecks in the south say about the blacks
Idiots defending Russia, and the South…
I’m not defending Russia or the south. But going “it’s not racist if it’s true” is what hillbillies say after they make a racist statement about black people.
“He was gonna steal it until I said something” “Thats deeply racist.” “It’s not racist if it’s true!”
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Oh man, I bet these tanky memes kill so hard with the right crowd. The cat throwing the book on settlers, that’s like all the cutest weirdo dog whistles.
identifying j sakai as a tankie really says more about you than anyone else tbh
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Fuck yo couch
absolutely not
Nobody cares, seriously. America has fascist problem, projecting it on russia doesnt make sense
You are aware that russian information warfare campaigns are an actual thing, right? Like yeah. Blaming it on russia is bad. But it’s still good to know the degree, how much they’re doing it, etc
Yeah sure, I was just addressing the way some people in comments blaming all fascism in usa on russia.
America’s fascist problem is directly created, funded, and supported by Russia
As if america isnt fascist since its inception. Keep your head buried in sand instead of addressing the issue.
Speak for yourself. Russia is directly involved in the current disaster that is the U.S. government. Meddling with and destabilizing their enemies has been their primary tactic for decades.
Who is saying this? An american. Got it
I’m Canadian lmao, you couldn’t tell by my instance?
I won’t go into too much details of why this in particular is just dumb (1. it was not a “part of Moscow”, it was a small town in Moscow oblast, a separate administrative entity, 2. the outage was short and didn’t overlap well with the gap in posts, 3. the “one day” is conveniently not named - it was the halloween). It is the overall trend that is concerning.
The amount of red scare being generated and trickling down to here in the last few days feels less and less like a coincidence. Makes me think that the unpublished “why trump won” report is actually just “we didn’t blame russians enough, need to be more racist to appeal to centrist voters”. Then some liberal think-tank spun up the bullshit machine to full swing, and it seems even many progressives are eating it up.
Again, russia is not the reason trump won the presidency, or republicans won the congress, or the reason why you’re neck deep in fascist shit. The reason is your ruling class using the infinite money glitch that is capitalism, gaining unparalleled power, and deciding that trump & MAGA fascism are the most beneficial to them at the moment. They spent a tiny fraction on their wealth on buying up media&pushing a fascist pro-trump narrative there 24/7, recouped the costs because apparently propaganda generates profit as well, and finally got a jackpot by getting trump elected and basking in deregulation and even more flagrant bribery than usual. This is nothing new in general, what is new is that the fascist&imperialist tactics your country has used all over the world for the past 250 years are now coming back to bite yall in the ass.
Whatever putin did to help them was complimentary at most, and probably just outright inconsequential. Russia’s entire state budget for 2024 was a bit less than the revenue of just Apple inc. putin would be a run-of-the-mill billionaire, one of many, if he was a US oligarch. Any kompromat, or other personal relations he may or may not have over trump, were completely irrelevant to getting him actually elected.
This is not to suggest that putin is innocent, or even good. I hate his fascist guts and he belongs in the same prison as every living POTUS.
But by focusing on him, your anger is being redirected from the people actually responsible for your present situation. How very convenient for your ruling class!
On some level I also get it. Accepting this also means accepting that the culture you’re part of is what produced your current circumstances, including trump. But it is necessary, because blaming russians will not help you any more than deporting mexicans will help an average MAGAt.
So much cope. No Russia is infamous for their bot farms, support of far right and far left parties, and their explicit intent to destabilize the West. They’re not the only reason, but they’re still a big one
Virtually every major outlet for the right wing is, in some way shape or form, controlled by fascist foreign actors. Especially Russia.
All the dumb-fuck faux leftists supporting Russia over Ukraine, claiming Ukraine has a major Nazi problem, need to open their fucking eyes and see Russia is the biggest exporter of Nazism world wide.
Virtually every major outlet for the right wing is, in some way shape or form, controlled by fascist foreign actors.
The most powerful state in world history is not being controlled by foreign actors; it is controlling much of the world through its own actors. The fascism is coming from inside the US empire.
https://worldbeyondwar.org/military-empires?operatingcountry=unitedstates
I never said fascism wasn’t homegrown in the US.
I am saying the majority of fascist figureheads and “discussion controllers” are either foreign hostile actors, or associated with foreign hostile actors in some way.
Ex: Russia, Israel, etc.
Russia’s influence would be evident even if there weren’t so much evidence of the interference and troll farm employees speaking out. Just look at the Russian anti-trans laws and compare them to Trump’s policies.
Are you suggesting transphobia in the west is because Russia is ordering western leaders to pass anti-trans laws?
Or did you just mean America, and TERF island gets its transphobia from a different source?
In this instance, I’m talking specifically about Trump, but Russia’s influence on Europe is also undeniable, though not always as crystal clear. They have their own people in the European parliaments and intelligence from the likes of Schröder, in addition to paying the likes of Le Pen, running the troll factories, creating fake news, and so forth.
I think it’s rarely done as a direct order. More often than not, it’s a combination of all those things, best illustrated by when the Russian government and its trolls paid for Facebook ads and pretended to be American activists, getting people inside America out to protest for both guns rights and against them, as well as for BLM and for the likes of Trump. They’ve done the same in Africa and other regions. One of the goals is to create division not only to weaken but also to use domestically, as Putin’s justification for his “strong hand” leadership has often been to point at the “chaotic” and “soulless” West and ask if the population wants the same in Russia.
Just look at the Russian anti-trans laws and compare them to Trump’s policies.
Hate to bring it to you, but the evil doesn’t have to have a single source. Authoritarian regimes all across the world during the entirety of recent history have been banning LGBTQ+. Autocrats are obsessed with non conforming sex and identities
It’s not about the fact of cracking down on minorities, but about the specific language used, specific policies introduced and changes made. Think of any part of Trump’s crackdown on trans rights and you’ll find direct equivalents to it in Putin’s recent policies that preceded it. There are many ways to be transphobic, but they land on the same themes and talking points pushed by the right-wing figures who take Russian money.
the best part of all of it…is the reveal twitter had a couple weeks ago, where they put access location and registration location as publicly visible…for all of 5 minutes, revealing the fact that most big head conservative twitter accounts are foreign controlled psyop/propaganda outlets.
Crazy how the right wing just absolutely ignores that 98% of all the big totally patriotic american twitter accounts telling them what to do and how to feel come from russia, belarus, etc etc.
They hate the libs so much they’d prefer to get bent over by our enemies as long as the libs get owned.
Interesting. Which accounts were these at the time of reveal?
https://www.newsweek.com/maga-accounts-based-outside-us-exposed-11097693
heres some of them, I’m pretty sure there was more.
Huh, none of those accounts listed were in Russia, and some were in Germany and in “Eastern European country not in the EU”
Because X/Twitter is blocked in Russia and they are forced to use VPNs, dum dum.
So everything is evidence that it’s Russia, both when the accounts are inside and outside Russia. Every claim is non-falsifiable and everything can be attributed to the evil Easterners.
If we invade Venezuela or even continue to steal oil tankers, is argue we’re at least the same of level fascism as Russia. Prageru is insane I’ve heard that some schools have prageru in the classrooms. It’s hard to imagine that we aren’t on the same path as Putin was. We could elect the coolest socialist women president ever and the supreme Court would still be there to prevent any progressive legislature. We suck
Trump is literally the most envious assholes on the planet. He’s friends with the Saudis, and he wants what they have, which is oil. Venezuela sits on the largest oil reserve on the planet.
We will be going to war with Venezuela.
Yes, it’s important to understand that America does not actually have any homegrown problem with right wing extremism, and certainly doesn’t need to consider if any structural or societal issues have caused these problems. The issue is foreigners; foreigners who have been allowed too much influence and control. The solution to America’s issues is to stop being so lenient with foreigners.
claiming Ukraine has a major Nazi problem, need to open their fucking eyes and see Russia is the biggest exporter of Nazism world wide.
Exactly; the fact that Russia has Nazis means that it is by definition impossible for Ukraine to have a Nazi problem. They are diametrically opposed.
I could reply to this using the exact same reasoning, but with arguments switched.
“Yes, it’s important to understand that Russia does not actually have any homegrown problem with nazis, and certainly needs our support in the war. The issue is Ukraine; Ukraine which has been given too much support. The best thing to do for leftists worldwide is supporting Russia in their war against nazis.”
“Exactly; the fact that the US have a homegrown problem with right wing extremism means that it is by definition impossible for other countries to manipulate it, exacerbate it, or even be its primary cause. They are diametrically opposed.”
Do you disagree with the arguments that:
-There’s definitely more nazis in Russia than in Ukraine, therefore supporting Russia because Ukraine has a “nazi problem” makes no sense
and
-Foreign countries could’ve caught wind of the right wing extremism starting to rise in the US and therefore decided to exploit it through foreign actors, propping it into mainstream political discourse, making both things true?
Because that’s what was being argued.
This is too fucking stupid to argue with.
It sure is
Found one account operating from third world ruzzia.
Indeed, everyone we disagree with is secretly a foreigner
Well, statistically speaking, though…
Yeah? Let’s see those statistics
I just mean, like, there’re significantly more people in the world who live outside of any one country than in.
If you hypothetically had a 50/50 agree/disagree ratio with the average person, the majority of people you’d disagree with would be foreign to you.
But that’s just because the majority of people in general are foreign to you, though. Not because of any specific ideology. So you’d also probably agree with more foreigners than anyone else, too.
Was just going for some levity. I guess maybe my undoing hinges on the word “secretly”?
You’re telling me their sever doesn’t have a battery backup? Unlikely
But Moscow’s MAN, which that server relies on, doesn’t have full-system battery backups (nobody’s does). A broad power outage is going to take down any non-critical digital infrastructure, just because that infrastructure does not have it’s own dedicated backbone with failsafes to rely on.
Exactly that. Years ago my town suffered a complete power outage. I lived close to a hospital and therefore on their power grid. I got electricity back but nothing else worked. No mobile phone signal, no internet. I can’t remember if the TV broadcasting was down or not. But I ended up just going to bed. I should have gone for a walk as I never would see the town in such darkness again.
Blackouts often take out infrastructure the internet relies on. A battery backup only helps if the Internet still works.
Nice, the brave warriors in Ukraine are already having positive effects for the rest of the world.
That’s depressing
