Brave is essentially just Chrome with an adblocker, a bunch of bloatware, and a bunch of controversies.
Brave took BAT donations in YouTuber’s names without their consent, with them keeping the money if the YouTubers didn’t claim it. https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2019/01/13/brave-web-browser-no-longer-claims-to-fundraise-on-behalf-of-others-so-thats-nice/
Brave’s search engine crawler hides itself from websites by pretending to be Googlebot, and Meta (Facebook) buys API access from them to train their AI. https://stackdiary.com/brave-selling-copyrighted-data-for-ai-training/
The business model of Brave rewards as a whole is to block all other ad networks to replace them with their own, which is unfair as only YouTubers and websites that have joined can make money from most Brave users.
If Brave actually cared, they would create an acceptable ads style feature which was free for everyone and allowed simple contextual banners while blocking ads which track you, take up most of the page, or have NSFW content.
Their approach is monopolistic as they have full control and can strangle YouTubers and websites by dropping pay at any time.
And Brenden Eich has said on Twitter that he plans to release “Brave Origin”, which is a paid version of Brave without the bloatware. That name is ironic as he is admitting that his browser is commercialised and bloated, which is similar to when gorhill gave uBlock way to Chris Aljoudi who commercialised it, which led him to create uBlock Origin.
If you use Brave, ditch it and look at using Librewolf or Helium instead, which both include no ads nor tracking and don’t have Brave News, Rewards, Wallet, Talk etc bloatware.
what do you all propose as an alternative for ios? (i’m aware ios isn’t ideal, im gonna get a GOS phone soon but wanna use this phone until i cant)
Orion is great.
So is DuckDuckGo.
Firefox
I use Ecosia’s browser
To those asking “which browser other than Firefox”
It’s fantastic. It’s Chrome, stripped of junk, with full (not lite) Ublock Origin natively supported and shipped. What more could you want?
And it can coexist alongside Firefox.
Cromite is also great, but its antifingerprinting is so hardcore it breaks some sites. That’s perfect for shopping/private browsing, but a bit much for daily driving unless tracking resistance is your #1 priority.
On iOS and OSX, Orion (from Kagi) is sublime. It’s Safari based (which you want for Apple stuff), but heavily modified with a native blocker, and supports extensions if you really need them. There aren’t many Safari “forks” like it.
I say this because I’ve been through a gauntlet of trying a bunch. Bromite, ungoogled chromium, waterfox, pale moon, Thorium, Vivaldi, all sorts of iOS apps and Firefox/Chromium forks. And these feel like endgame to me. Helium is just about perfect (as long as its development isn’t dropped), and Orion is close aside from some UI quirks.
An extra reason: Eich is a homophobic asshole and an anti-masker
Don’t forget that they used to add referral parameters to links you clicked so they got a kickback from you clicking things from anywhere even if they didn’t make that link for you.
Ok, but which browser should we use.
I am on opera
Literally Firefox.
I feel like the reasons are obvious and I am constantly amazed at people who choose offshoots that end up having problems jsut as bad or worse than Chrome.
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Firefox actually uses an engine independent of Chromium
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Firefox keeps developer documentation for the actual open web in a a clear fashion better than anyone else with MDN.
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Firefox is responsible for all of the heavy lifting for any of the browsers downstream of it that people seem to want to switch to so that Mozilla is less supported and the browsers they are on also break (which is bizzare footgun behaviour in my opinion, and exactly why the people who are idealists inherently can’t win. They shoot themselves in the foot with idealism so hard that companeis don’t even have to care about their opinions).
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Firefox has more resistant than the engine makers of any other browser to anti autonomy web changes like Chromes manifest 3, tvarious new tracking mechanisms and more.
Excuse a little bit of snark at hypothetical responses below, but Im just so frustrated Ill let off a little steam here:
bUt Ai.
So they have a few AI features you have to purposefully find or stumble into, and that means you are going to do everything in your power to make sure your last actual chance to avoid completely Google domination dies too?
You are basically begging for the even more intense enshitification that will come if Firefox actually dies.
bUt SoMeOnE eLsE cAn CoNtInUe DeVeLoPmEnT
Oh yeah? Someone else is going to take on this project with a massive amount of legacy code, inside knowledge and hundreds of people working on it constantly to keep it completely up to date??
You must have been confused when I mentioned above Mozilla does the heavy lifting for the browsers down stream. Just because someone makes a fork that removes features doesnt mean they are equipped to handle the level of work done in the code they are downstream of.
Anyways, the bottom line is, for now, if you actually value open source, the answer is Firefox.
Or one of Firefox forks. I like waterwolf due having a mobile app
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You should try Librewolf and Helium.
Vivaldi, the only decent Chromium and from the EU (Norway), green energy server in Iceland (Geothermic energy)
I’m just glad people are finally starting to mention LibreWolf as the first go-to.
Do people realize that if Firefox dies (in the many ways that could be interpreted), all of these downstream forks will also die right?
Like, the work to in essence remove unwanted parts of a code base is admirable but its an utterly miniscule fraction of the work that goes into maintaining a modern browser, keeping up with standards, sending people to be voices at conventions, etc.
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I’m waiting for Servo to able to play YouTube videos then I’ll stop using Firefox (Floorp)
Use Invidious?
I can use invidious but what I mean is that if Servo can play videos on Youtube then it can render like 90% of the entire internet without any weird format issues
Ah yes let me use Helium
Whoop it uses google’s browser monopoly
Firefox then
Whoo it is chained by googles search engine deal
Firefox then
Whoo it is chained by googles search engine deal
This is some serious self eating idealist talk here.
In life you must realize there are many situations where you think about the context and consequences of your choices, and you choose the closest to viable option.
Firefox is that.
It sucks that there is that google deal, but ultimately the world effects of firefox dying are wide reaching despite its diminishing numbers and so much greater than so many casually Mozilla doomer takes realize.
There’s literally a million forks of Firefox, use one of them
It sounds like Pale Moon is your best option.
Use LibreWolf, it’s probably the best option these days.
Librewolf or iceraven
IMO, we should all move back to Lynx and phpBB forums.
Fast, secure, lightweight, search & archivable. I’m only half joking.
Ehh perhaps Gopher
Mullvad Browser is great as well.
I don’t like Brave or the amount of bloat. Sadly what is missing from basically all Chromium forks is even basic browser anti-fingerprinting. The only other real example I can think of is Cromite, which is what i recommend people use instead of Brave.
Anyone with opinions about the duckduckgo brower?
That’s all I use on my phone and I think it’s great.
The search is kinda average and never returns results that matter when I’m searching businesses since I don’t allow location access but I still like it.
I use brave on my pc but might need to change now
DuckDuckGo just proxies Bing search results, FWIW. It doesn’t run its own crawlers/indexers. So if you’re getting bad results, it’s just because Bing fucking sucks.
so it s bad bc of some opt in feature ? tbf it work great and suit my use case i dont see any argument that will make me ditch it
It’s bad because it’s a Peter thiel funded MAGA browser run by someone who hates people for their sexual orientation
And ? Wont you find me ridiculous if i said i didnt want to use software coded by trans ppl ? what do i care about the opinion of the guys or what he does with his money ?
“And ? Wont you find me ridiculous if i said i didnt want to use software coded by trans ppl ?”
Welp, i got bad news for ya fella
yeah totally aware, that s why i said i would be ridiculous
Are you serious? Of course people should care if people are using their power and influence to strip certain people of their rights.
yes i forgot the litteral genocide of trans ppl. Sorry i dont care.
That’s probably because you’re a piece of shit.
it s a never ending argument that s only based on vibes. We can literally make dozen of similar one with any brand or product. I mean it s a choice to place trans right uper than child labor, and you r free to do so but lecturing other on the principle you do it isnt fair.
Nobody mentioned child labour.
Thinking gay and trans people should have human rights does not mean you must be fine with child labour.
I’m too ready to ladybird browser to be ready in a few years.
I was looking forward to ladybird until I saw social media posts from the person who runs the project, like:
In recent years I’ve attended multiple software conference talks that had unrelated extreme political rhetoric in slides, such as “fuck [name]” and “punch [group]”.
Whenever this happened, some of the audience would clap and cheer, I’d roll my eyes, and the talk would get back on topic.
Fast-forward to today, and look at how many people in our industry are openly celebrating the murder of someone they decided was a “nazi” and “fascist”. Turns out these people were more serious than I thought.
As someone who’s repeatedly been called a “nazi” and “fascist” myself for disagreements with far-left ideology, I know how easily those labels get thrown around. And honestly, this is making me seriously reconsider which conferences I attend.
There’s a hateful rot within our industry. It shouldn’t be socially acceptable to cheer for murder. We need to do more than roll our eyes.
source: https://nitter.net/awesomekling/status/1967178708852097278
A few years? I thought alpha would be out this year
Lol, they said that last year
An alpha is hardly a replacement for a full browser though.
Brave is the browser version of Honey. It blocks 3rd party ads and inserts its own, taking the money. Either block the ads or don’t but this is shitty.
