Yes yes, I REALLY want to terminate that process and I am very sure about it too, ty.

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    Actually no, it’s just that the programs on Linux usually accept SIGINT, SIGTERM, etc pretty gracefully. Some are even smart enough to handle it on a thread hang. SIGKILL is last resort.

    Lots of Windows applications like to ignore the close request because Windows doesn’t have signals and instead you can only pass a window name to request exit which is the same as clicking the close button.

    So any hung software won’t respond and you have to terminate it.

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    both OS ask a process to end nicely? Then force closing in windows is with task manager or kill -9 in linux

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    Is there some Linux equivalent to “ctrl + alt + del?” I get that killing a process from the terminal is preferred, but one of the few things I like about windows is if the GUI freezes up, I can pretty much always kill the process by pressing ctrl+alt+del and finding it in task manager. Using Linux if I don’t already have the terminal open there are plenty of times I’m just force restarting the computer because I don’t know what else to do.

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      Ctrl+alt+F1/F2/F3 etc.
      It lets you switch to another terminal session, where you can use something like top/htop for a commandline equivalent to task manager.

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        That’s what I don’t get about what they said above. If the Windows desktop freezes up, Task Manager won’t open either (happened to me quite some times over the years - less so since they moved to the NT kernel though). What you mentioned always works short of kernel panic.

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          I’d say it’s been over a decade since I’ve had an issue where windows task manager didn’t work. Maybe I’m not using exciting enough programs.

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            It definitely creeps up every once in a while on my Windows computer. It’s really not a common occurrence and only happens when I’m doing something that’s not recommended.

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        I’ve heard those quick keys a thousand times but my brain has determined that it is not necessary information for me to retain.

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      Do you have enough swap allocated to your linux machine? I found that my GUI froze frequently due to not having enough of it when the computer was under heavy load.

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    btw funny story since many comments mention NFS/CIFS:

    I have a share mounted at /smb and the server sometimes just dies so when I want to unmount it I run umount /smb but my shell (zsh) hangs after typing umount /sm and the b doesn’t even show

    I guess zsh does a kind of stat() on everything you type but bash came to save the day

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      I don’t know if clean ZSH does it, but if you have the zsh-syntax-highlighting plugin, it tests if the path you’re typing exists every time you edit the line.

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    And as always with this meme: Both Windows and Linux can ask a process nicely to terminate or kill it outright. And the default for both is to ask nicely.

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      Well, with linux you get the option of sending mixed signals through the use of varying count of guns. I find 9 to be highly effective.

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      on windows a process can get in a state so that it is impossible to make it go away, even with process explorer or process hacker. mostly this also involves the bugged software becoming unusable.

      I encounter such a situation from time to time. one way it could happen is if the USB controller has got in an invalid state, which one of my pendrives can semi-reliably reproduce. when that happens, any process attempting to deal with that device or its FS, even the built-in program to remove the drive letter, will stop working and hang as an unkillable process.

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        Linux has that issue too. A process in an uninterruptible blocking syscall stays until that syscall finishes, which can be never if something weird’s going on.

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        I’ve seen that on Linux as well. Funnily enough also with faulty file systems. I think NFS with spotty wifi for one.

        Oh, and once with a dying RAID controller. That was a pain in the ass. At that point I swore to only ever do RAID in software.

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          oh yeah now that you say, SMB/CIFS mounted share if connection is no more. when I experienced this, it was temporary though, because there’s a timeout which is half (or double?) of the configurable reconnection timeout. but now that I think of it, I’m not sure if it made it unkillable.

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          Add a -f to your umount and you can clear up those blocked processes. Sometimes you need to do it multiple times (seems like it maybe only unblocks one stuck process at a time).

          When you mount your NFS share you can add the “soft” option which will let those stuck calls timeout on their own.

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      Because that’s better for the software, Linux however kills it outright when it doesn’t respond at all. Windows just… Waits. And you can’t really hardkill the processes from the task manager. Or at last my last knowledge is that.

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        League of Legends captures and discards the ALT-F4 keystroke combination.

        Microsoft trusts app developers to use Microsoft’s standards (such as terminating the process when a close message is received) and they shouldn’t. App developers like Riot have taken advantage of this trust and tuned their apps to act differently than expected, and include code which makes the app minimize to the system tray instead, or force the user to answer questions (“Are you SURE you want to close?”), or do nothing at all.

        It should be punishable by death.

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        You can easily make a program unkillable (or to be more precise untermable) on Linux. Here’s a simple bash script that will do that.

        #!/bin/bash                                                                                                     function finish {
          while true
          do                                                              
            echo "Can't kill me."                                   
            sleep 10                                        
          done                                            
        }                                                                                                               trap finish EXIT                                        
        trap finish TERM                                        
        trap finish INT                                                                                                 
        
        while true                                              
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          echo "Still alive."                                     
          sleep 10                                        
        done
        
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        Taskkill /f is reasonably close to sudo kill -9

        Hitting the X in Windows and hitting the X in Linux both cause the application to start a save yourself routine. From the OS standpoint they’re not far off.

        The problem is we have a lot of confirmation bias in windows because every time we want to close an application that’s not working, that save yourself call has to sit around for a hellaciously long time out followed by a telemetry call so that Microsoft can track that it happened.

        It’s pretty rare that Linux apps don’t just close.

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    My problem with Windows is that when I want to eject a USB drive, Windows refuses to do so, refuses to tell me what program is apparently still using the drive, and certainly refuses to kill that program. I am removing the drive. I can’t just not remove it!

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    you forgot that you have to spend about 2 minutes with windows “searching for a solution” (who knows what that does??) and then another minute reporting it to microsoft