The difference between serious leftists and performative leftists on Lemmy is that serious leftists use Lemmy to talk to voters. Performative leftists use Lemmy to talk to politicians.
Perfectly stated. If you have a problem with a politician’s messaging, that’s fine and normal, but that’s a conversation to have with that politician and their staff. As I put it in another thread, it’s my dentist’s job to encourage responsible dental hygiene, but if I don’t brush it’s my teeth that rot.
Democrats can’t win without ceasing to support the genocide of Palestinians.
Interesting question; I don’t think it’s a shiboleth though because the content matters. I really think folks don’t understand, and I say what I say because I want them to understand (obviously, I’m spilling way too much ink and tearing out way too much of my hair talking about this for it to just be a thing one says to signal having the right opinions or whatever).
So you want trump to win? /s
Independents can’t win without a base.
seems the democrats can’t win with a base. guess they are going to have to change their position…
I don’t care if independents win or if the democrats start to become slightly less evil. But for fuck’s sake, the democrats victory should be contingent upon them pulling support for Israel. And they should have no problem doing that. Anything short of that is horrifying.
I don’t care how the Democrats win, I just want Trump to lose. I’m scared.
I get that. I think we all are.
Beep beep beep inconvenient fact detected beep beep beep
There we go. We now return you to your previously selected fascism, already in progress.
Fascism for thee, palestinians, but not for me? We should accept conducing genocide abroad as the cost of having less fascism here?
How about the democrats just be minimally acceptable human beings? No? No it’s the voters fault for not voting for the slightly less demonic demons. All the stuff going on domestically is terrible but it’s a drop in the bucket of all the terrible shit the democrats and republicans are both happy to do. You think the handful of protesters murdered by ICE are bad? You think the dozens killed in their detention camps are bad? Well you’re god damn right they are…and you’ll be really pissed when you hear about the tens of thousands ruthlessly slaughtered in Gaza!
I’m sorry, is not supporting a genocide just too much to ask? If you say “yes!” think about what that means. If you say “no!” then what the hell are you talking about, shilling for those ghouls?
Let’s look at it this way. There are two choices. (We can talk about why that’s bad some other time.)
Presuming you are a US voter, you will be supporting one of those choices. (Not choosing, or “intentional grounding”is support for one of the choices.)
Okay? We on the same page so far?
(We can talk about why that’s bad some other time.)
You can stop pretending that you think it’s bad.
I think the two party system is bad, but I don’t want my family to die. Lemmy users said those two opinions are opposites
I disagree quite fundamentally that not voting for the democrats is the same choice as voting for republicans…but it sounds like you’re going somewhere, so sure, we can talk about it!
If you frame it this way, you have two choices:
A. vote for the democratic party; or B. not vote for the democratic party.
Same page so far.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel morally superior I guess.
At the end of the day the question is, if the people who didn’t vote Democrat due to Palestine would have voted, would that have been enough for the Republicans to loose? If so, you are kind of responsible for the ICE raids.
Of course the follow up question: If you care so much about Palestine, why are you choosing to not vote against the party that is very openly on Israel side in this conflict and absolutely will not do anything to pressure Netanyahu? Did you really believe Trumps claims about being the president of peace?
Maybe you should go back to grade school math.
This is not a math question in which democrats winning is good and democrats losing is bad. And frankly, even if it were that straightforward, it still wouldn’t be the same as voting for a republican, because voting republican is twice as bad on net…so maybe you need to think about your back-of-the-napkin math?
The whole point is that we do not want the Democrats, as they are, to win. We want them to change. We want someone other than genocidiers to run the country. And if they won’t change to stop supporting a genocide AND they won’t change to win, that’s their choice, not mine.
The democrats winning, as they are, would be infinitely worse than the democrats changing.
So on principle you want republicans to win and cause more deaths in Gaza, because democrats aren’t perfect. That’s fine, but don’t say you’re against genicide and then vote for more genocide. Take responsibility for all the deaths you cause.
The democrats winning, as they are, would be infinitely worse than the democrats changing.
Not sure if you’ve been watching the news since the election but Dems winning as they are would be just fine. Changing for the better is of course good, but throwing the country to the wolves was a really dumb idea. As most of us have seen more than ample evidence of.
Sloths can’t poop without leaving the tree
…wait, really? I figured they’d just hang and let it plop.
No and it’s dangerous too, as predators wait for them on the ground to chomp on them. So they only poop once a week.
predators wait for them
They wait for a sloth? On the ground? For it to crawl down to take a dump?
That entire foodchain is all kinds of janked up.
Same, tbh
