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People willingly buy blatantly proprietary systems, then publicly muse why they don’t have freedom to do with them what they want.
It would technical possible for Apple to have dual boot, and you could boot macOS when you connect to an external display. But I guess it would not be good for business
Not even dual boot. The core OS is the same. Just have two UI. One for phone one for desktop.
Apple will never do this because they sell hardware.
That wouldn’t be even needed. Just add back macos features to iOS and iPadOS
It would be quite nice if they added some MacOS features back to MacOS instead of trying desperately to turn it into a mobile phone OS.
That said, Sequoia is so objectively awful it finally gave me the kick I needed to nuke my MacBook Air and install Asahi, and I’m genuinely really impressed. The only shame is having to waste 80gb of disk for a MacOS partition that I’ll never use, but otherwise it’s actually good enough to be a daily driver.
That’s what they’re doing. They clearly would prefer people to move to iOS, that smells a bit like MacOS, as it’s a damn sight more profitable to both sell you hardware and software 30% cuts.
- Phones are computers.
- Phones are the most popular personal computers in the world.
- Many people only have a phone and no other computers.
It’s me. Outside work, I dumped PCs a decade back and have lived a much better digital life.
I seriously get annoyed at the amount of work it takes to keep a PC running.
I mainly just turn mine on. Not a lot of work.
I mean, it’s been a lot of work lately because I’m learning a new OS and mucking about with shuffling some data around on a couple different drives, but for the last 5 years or so, the “work” involved in keeping my desktop running was mainly plugging it in again after moving to a new apartment.
I hate using a phone. It’s small, the screen is tiny, the keyboard sucks (all touchscreen keyboards suck), you can’t have more than one thing in the tiny screen at a time (yes split screen exists and Android has freeform windows, but they suck even more).
A desktop is a breeze to use. It feels liberating to use after being on a phone.
Then get a larger phone or a tablet and a keyboard. You have options that are infinitely more efficient and less annoying than babysitting a PC.
At some point you must face the question: Are you using a PC because it’s how you’ve always done it?
EDIT: I happened to open the Voyager app and saw your comment. I responded within a minute. My keyboard works just fine. I’m sorry yours doesn’t.
Lmao. Buddy if you want to use a phone as a computer, no worries. But fuck all the way off with the idea that using a PC is difficult or less efficient than a phone. Get a grip on reality.
“Babysitting a PC” you sound like you’re tech illiterate.
Buddy, you sound so defensive typing this out on your phone while your PC sits all the way across the room.
You do you, mate.
I program on pc. Programming on phone is pretty terrible, I have spent a decent amount of time doing this and you kinda need to accept that a lot of regular dev programs on termux don’t work. And you also have to accept using the terminal for everything
Being able to program with a mouse is pretty convinient for things like debugging
Fair. But you also conceded that you can do it on a phone, just not as efficiently.
My comment specified “outside work.”
I think a lot of people downvoting and defending their PCs so . . . vociferously are just old and set in their ways. Not everyone is a programmer/coder.
OP: pulls out phone “Ha HA LET ME SHOW YOU MY 30% completed POKéDEX”
Bill: “I can store actual Pokémon here…”
I would, but I can’t fit 3 32 inch screens in my pocket ever since I blew out the crotch on my JNCOs.
Perhaps get some prescription glasses for your eyes so you can see screens better, mate.
I looked it up and you can save your JNCOs with Ceftriaxone or Levofloxacin. Check with your doctor, mon frère.
Ugh sounds like my nightmare. I try to keep the phone away and only use desktops or laptops. I just use the phone for calls, texts, photos when I don’t have a better camera, Lemmy/rss and some light web browsing.
I seriously get annoyed at the amount of work it takes to keep a PC running.
Can you elaborate more on that? In my experience unless you set up a complicated NAS or home server setup maintaining a personal computer doesn’t require much upkeep. I prefer it over a phone because of the physical keyboard and superior window / tab / organization options.
PS: Wrote this comment from my phone anyway 🥲
You see all those things you just listed?
Those are things you hardly ever worry about or whose existence you completely forget about when you ditch a PC.
Your computer is an annoying child you never parented.
Wanna boot it up? Better wait for a minute or two. Oh! Now it needs an update because something went wrong last night when it was supposed to automatically do it.
Oops! Lost internet connection. Better go pecking around menus.
Shit. It’s acting up still. Your game you’re trying to play is losing frames. Something to do with heat management. Something about a graphics card? Who frigging knows, better ask the internet from a phone.
P.S. Your antivirus is out of date and you need money to renew your subscription. The process will take another few hours of your time because you have to babysit it past all the AI that’s sure to get in the way.
Bah! Humbug!
EDIT: The angry PC people typing aggressive insults using their phones proves the point and is quite funny.
Holy fuck I wish I had read this comment first. You are actually an idiot of the highest order.
Can introduce you to our lord and savior Debian? All your troubles will go away when you accept Linux into your heart.
No. That requires a PC.
Tablets and phones allow keyboards and run 99 percent of the programs or tasks I could ever need.
Why do carpenters need all those saws and chisels? I have a perfectly good staircase right here already
“right to root” would prevent so much eWaste.
I would love a variant that is like, if you stop delivering security and minor fixes/backports to a device, you have to give access to root or better even to the bootloader.better yet, open source it when it gets abandoned.
full on, no excuses. all board schematics, source code and documentation.
shit, require it from the start.
The problem is that it allows users to detect when they’re connected to a phony cell tower like the ones police and ICE use to intercept communications, and we Can’t Have That.
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They have been since the beginning.
That’s literally why I got an OG Motorola Droid. I said to myself “I can have a full computer in my pocket!”I went to the Verizon store to buy an iPhone when the droid first launched, the rep said “you don’t want that phone, check this one out” and showed me the droid. So glad I didn’t get roped into that ecosystem.
I still miss CyanogenMod dearly…
Yah. It had customizations nobody has anymore.
I am actually very, very, very seriously looking at post-market OS since it is mainline Linux on a phone.
The whole point of the article is that the new MacBooks are running on iPhone hardware. And that therefore there’s no reason for you not being able to install MacOS on your iPhone. Even your old droid was locked down and you were not able to install a real OS which would have given you the freedom to run what you want without restrictions
I remember one time I had a coworker sit down next to me with her MacBook, iPhone, iPad and iWatch and that was an “aha!” moment for me. She had spent like 5x more than she would have if 1 or 2 devices could do all of those things.
It wasn’t locked down. I rooted it, installed a few OS’s, it even ran Linux.
I understand the point of the article. I’m saying since the very beginning, the only limits on what smartphones can do, have been what software ‘they’ want you to run.
A CPU is a CPU. Some are faster or slower, but they can all do anything.
This. But Marketing has been very good at saying “this: phone, that: computer. not same thing”. So many times I heard “Oh but how do you want to do that on a phone?”. It’s not a phone. It has never been a phone.
The only difference is UI. I operate my phone in my hand with my thumb, not on my lap or on a desk from a keyboard.
I had an Atrix 4G back in the day.
For me, it was around 2013 an iPad nano, thinking how awesome having an iPhone with unlimited internet would be, because I could listen anything on demand on the go Then I got my 4s as first self bought iPhone.
I realised, how macOS like it is, as I had jailbroken it.
Im surely not the only one who thinks this article is ai generated? it spams the exact same structure and has the typical smells
I will risk dying of laughter if THIS is what finally pisses off the Apple cult.
There are “pissed off, not the same, Jobs wouldn’ta dunit” sentiments for almost every new product by Apple.
So I don’t think anything will change much.
Anyway, this is a return to roots. They were, you know, a mainstream consumer oriented company at some point. With an implicit but almost explicit claim that “we don’t do the crap others do”.
I’m optimistic. It’s quality attacking quantity. We’ve had a personal computer market with quantity winning over quality every damn year since about 2003, and it has been getting worse and worse. If the pendulum is starting to move in the opposite direction, it’s very cool.
And yes, megabytes of RAM are quantity.
But admittedly I’m a couple weeks’ old convert.
We have been complaining about this shit for YEARS.
And yet… you still… never mind. Not worth it.
I’m annoyed at the state of Apple’s app ecosystem. MacOS is worse this year than it’s been in a long time and I’m not updating on Macs that I control.
But have you used a windows pc recently? It’s like banging rocks together. Somehow, they keep finding ways to make it worse every year. Or month. So yeah, I’m using a Mac because it’s the less terrible option.
(And good luck getting your IT people at work letting you put Linux on your laptop.)
So I’ve recently started using a Mac mini, and it’s very good. But I’ll agree that I don’t like Liquid Glass. I’m using, eh, a 1280x1024 dinosaur display over an hdmi-2-vga adapter, so can’t confirm nausea from it, but sore eyes are a thing.
(And good luck getting your IT people at work letting you put Linux on your laptop.)
What am I gonna do? Stop myself?
yeah, it’s useless… we just need to sit by the river at that point.
very much so, with that attitude.
This is the result of two decades of deliberate, calculated effort by the largest technology companies on earth to turn users into consumers, instruments into appliances, and technical literacy into a niche hobby for weirdos.
Has there ever been a time when computer geeks weren’t consider a weird group of outsiders?
BTW, I was raised on MS-DOS and it didn’t help my computer literacy one bit (heheh). I still can barely navigate my computer in the CLI, much less build anything or do anything cool from some internalized “mental model” of how a computer works. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of toddlers running around with Arduinos and doing all manners of mind blowing shit.
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You’ve built a generation that can’t extract a zip file without a dedicated app and calls it innovation.
I mean, a .tar would have made sense as example here;
unzipis also a tool (“app”). And not merely for convenience, the format is not simple. Unlike tar, which you could dd to “unpack”.The quote is funny for me, I can’t extract a zip file without a dedicated application, I don’t speak the language of
moisture vaporatorsdeflate, and certainly not fast enough.
This model is absolutely short-circuiting the brains of the Apple haters. It upends everything they’ve been complaining about for a decade; all the same arguments that had merit 10 years ago but were mostly resolved 5 years ago (meanwhile, little said about the things Apple currently is terrible about.)
This laptop is:
- inexpensive, but not ‘cheap’
- repairable
- runs a full os; no os compromises
It is not:
- upgradable, but what laptop is these days?
Seriously, it address three of the biggest complaints against Apple historically, and we’re supposed to be mad the phone doesn’t runs a desktop OS? Who was under the impression the phone didn’t run a full OS because of technical limitations?
The Apple that Apple haters think exists (not wholly without reason) would’ve launched a $599 laptop that ran iPadOS, but they didn’t and yet there’s still complaints.
It is not:
- upgradable, but what laptop is these days?
I got a used Framework for under 600€, upgraded the keyboard, speakers and motherboard. The old motherboard is now one of my home servers in a dedicated case.
Bro thinks macbook neo repairable
upgradable, but what laptop is these days?
Oh, you sweet fanboy child…
Fair enough, enthusiast laptops do. I can’t think of a sub $1,000 mainstream consumer laptop that is.
Pretty much every machine I’ve had open has upgradable ram. Unless the machine is the absolute thinnest of ultrabooks, the ram has been easily removed, replaced and upgraded.
https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-repairable-macbook-in-14-years
The laptop is built on an A18 Pro, a mobile chip first seen in the iPhone 16 Pro, which limits the machine to 8 GB of RAM. Storage comes in 256 or 512 GB, and whichever one you buy is the one you keep.
https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/search?s=sodimm&filter[memoryType_uFilter]=DDR5%2CDDR4&order=product.price.asc
They could have easily made the RAM and Storage user serviceable/upgradeable, and from what I can find, they don’t provide a way for the enduser to expand storage with a secondary SSD/HDD either, so you’re either forced to carry around an external hard drive for a product that is meant to be portable, or use cloud storage where you might not always have reliable access to the internet/data caps.Anecdotal, but the only component that has ever failed on me is a hard drive, if that happened to me on the new mac book, it would be e-waste.
Not allowing a 1TB option certainly is a choice, and one that can be criticized. But I don’t think it’s fair to say they could have “easily” made the RAM upgrade (certainly not user upgradable) at that price point. It uses the A series because they make billions of them, and ram has not been upgradable in them.
All it takes is putting a SODIMM socket into the device instead of soldering in the RAM, making it possible to salvage the device if the RAM begins to fail. It’s a basic laptop, meant for browsing/writing documents, I can’t really see anyone swapping in 16 gb of ram to a device like this, and seeing any performance uplift.
All it takes…
That is perhaps the silliest thing I can think of regarding these chips. Can you name even a single phone whose RAM is not soldered? Heck, most laptops these days don’t have upgradable RAM.
Yeah, even the effing expensive MacBook pro is no longer upgradable (since the switch to Apple Silicon). You want RAM? Better sell a kidney and buy a new Apple, kid!
I’ll care about climate change the day they do.
But every time I need to throw away perfectly good electronics makes me resentful of the idea that climate change is our fault any further than the fact these fucking people breathe air in Minecraft.
Makes me think of either the Fairphone or the Nothing Phone that originally advertised that it could be used as a desktop computer thanks to USB-C ports and I thought that was a brilliant notion. I really don’t see why Apple couldn’t just do the same. I mean, I can see why (DAT MONAY!) but it would be awesome for folks to have such flexibility with their devices.
Been doing that with a Librem 5 for many years.
Librem! That’s the phone I was thinking of, not the others
I think the fairphone is also a Linux phone, so that would work the same. Nothing however is yet another android-but-private-this-tiime
So are SIM cards.
No duh.
