Electron apps are ruining the Windows 11 experience, and even the JavaScript creator has warned against ‘rushed web UX over native,’ but it doesn’t look like that will change Microsoft’s plans. In a post on X and other places, Microsoft reaffirmed its commitment to AI in Windows 11 and encouraged Electron developers to consider using AI in their apps.
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What do we say?
MAKE… IT… SHITTY.
Hi, uh- just incase Slopya Nadella of Microslop happens to read the comments here one day,
Slopya- please take your sloperating system, print the slop code on A4 paper, fold it until it’s all corners. When done, insert rectally.I remember when 16 GB was for high work-load workstation tasks, it was not that long ago. Now it keeps getting used up by one single instance of firefox when it is open for too long. Screw javascript bullshit, i just want to use lynx and netsurf already.
bloated garbage code infests everything nowadays even before AI, there should be no excuse for a lot of these sites, i always feel like im in another world when im on a site that just works buttery smooth without delay or hiccup.
I’ve been wondering about using Firefox with a www<>gemini protocol<>gemini protocol<>www for a funn-er way of showing my middle finger to most websites, but my www dread hasn’t reached the level required to do it. Yet.
Work laptop: MS Teams is taking 1.2 gigabytes of fucking RAM just to exist. I’m not in a call. I’m not transferring files. Just the basic interface with chats (which still somehow manages to suck more than chat inferences from decades ago).
Turns out absolutely everybody hate Windows, including Microsoft.
This quote from the article is fucking hilarous:
Discord has also openly admitted that its Windows app is a resource hog, and it has rolled out a feature that allows the app to restart itself when RAM usage exceeds 4GB.
Why is my Electron “Hello World” app 10Gb?
I’ll never understand “installing” a website. Just open the damn site in Firefox.
sooo ist that a memory leak, or what has to happen for that being the solution?
Repeat with me.
INSTALL LINUX!
with me.
INSTALL LINUX!
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Not really surprising considering Windows seems to be increasingly swapping their native shell components for Web Views (you can tell because sometimes they fail to load (: )
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You know it’s bad when Brendan fucking Eich is the reasonable one
Why is settings getting so bad, its like using a nonfunctional electron app.
Ah that explains so much.
They turned themselves into users of their own zero code solutions for shitware.
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Sure, I love it when a 50KB app takes 50MB because some cunt designer only knows HTML.
Today it took almost 30 seconds for the context menu to appear when I right clicked on a file in windows explorer. I mean ffs, if I wanted everything to be a browser, I’d use a chromebook.
(Inb4 “install linux”, it’s a work computer and I don’t get a say in OS)
Dude. Same. Windows 11 at work is fucking awful.
My laptop idles at 12 out of 16 gigs of RAM free.
Right clicking takes dozens of seconds, especially on a network share.
Did IT remove a letter mapped network drive? Haha! Fuck you! Windows hangs indefinitely if you open Windows explorer. You gotta fuck around in the registry to remove that shit.
The only good thing about windows 11 is tabs in Windows explorer. Which MacOS and Linux have had for a gazillion years.
Microsoft don’t care about file shares anymore anyway, they want you to sign up for OneDrive :(
All our network shares are Azure hosted, so Microslop is getting corporate $$$ regardless. And I think that bug has been around since forever.
I can’t even type normally anymore in teams. Since it will hang my business laptop during typing. It’s so awful.
Really Teams is the worst product.
Tell corporate to give you more RAM or let you choose a lighter operating system 🤷♀️
This reminds me that many years ago, there was a small market for better file managers in Windows. Most were more like “side grades” that were better in some ways, but worse than others, but there was one that was way better than all of them called Directory Opus. It was silly expensive for the time (I want to say like $80), and most others were free, but holy shit was it feature filled, including tabs, and just really good. It was also a bit heavy compared to explorer back then. Now it probably runs insanely fast and is still way better. I just looked and it still exists at basically the same price, but any sane person considering it should just leave Windows.
I use a Norton Commander clone (Total Commander) lol. Having a huge list of bookmarks in a drop-down menu with subfolders is super helpful for my work.
NC and Total Commander are honestly great and probably greatly preferrable to Windows Explorer these days.
Win 11 feels like i replaced by SSD with an HDD. I’m half convinced that they’re making it as awful as possible so when the whole OS as a service thing arrives, it’ll feel super snappy.
I will say that LTSC runs way smoother than regular windows, but that’s almost certainly because it’s got a lot of the bullshit stripped out.
When I started at my last job, I asked for a mac; I worked on Linux, Windows (wsl), and wanted a change. Most of my collegues (in the dev team) initially asked for a windows PC, but literally everyone ended up on Mac.
Windows is only usable when the WSL is set up and then you basically work exclusively on that VM lol, I literally cannot understand how anyone puts up with this OS. Any other OS is excellent just by comparison.
It’s not really a matter of preference. I’m a mechanical engineer, not a developer, and several industry-standard programs are only available for windows. Bugs that come from running in WINE or another emulation layer are unacceptable when they can potentially cause delays in production, scrap parts from a misprint or miscalculation, or lead to a part failure that kills someone.
Oh yeah I’m aware that some professionals are essentially locked to a single platform (same goes with accounting and Excel), I can only hope that the industries this affects start taking Linux more seriously (or Mac, but tbh once you’re running on Mac it’s less of a leap to work on Linux)
It doesn’t make sense to stay locked into the Mac environment unless the hardware is incredible or you need to develop iOS applications.
MacOS doesn’t really lock you at all though, and you’re free to dev for pretty much any software there, iOS or not
As long as you’re getting paid for those 30 seconds, it’s the shareholders’ problem. Keep your blood cool, take a sip of coffee and sit back. Twiddle with a thingamajig on your desk.
If your supervisor asks what you’re doing, say “waiting for Windows to load”. Because that’s what you’re doing, and if they don’t like it then they should let you use a different OS.
Me every day at work.
It’s even worse working in the company’s network drive.
But damn, it often takes ages for a right click to appear in the goddamned downloads folder (which is in its default C drive location…)
I feel you pain friend.
Oh god don’t even get me started on our network drives lol. Searching for part drawings can take HOURS
Install linux
Even in Edge, Outlook (a Microslop web app running on a Microslop browser) sometimes takes up to a minute to load on refresh. HOW!? God I hate that company.
Lmao yup, the desktop app ‘new’ outlook takes up to 30 minutes to load sometimes
I’ve never had outlook take long, always done in about 5 seconds. Firefox too, which would be the last to optimise for.
Find a new job
Lmao. Are you offering pay my bills and provide health insurance?
Yes. Can you send me the link to your onlyfans?
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Just like the good old days of running Windows 3.1 on an Intel 386sx. We’ve come full circle.
Win 3.1 wasn’t even that slow on a 386sx (yay, 386 buddies! o/), its nothing compared to Win 11 on midrange and lower laptops these days. Then again, those CPUs usually came in PCs with Win 3.0, so Win 3.1 was definitely noticeably heavier. MS also wasn’t nearly as large and well funded back then, there is no excuse for this other than pure incompetence.
Look into cleaning up your context menu shell extensions: just a single bad one will freeze your context menu exactly how you described it.
Unfortunately, I have literally zero control over what’s installed on my computer at work
Do you have access to HKEY_CURRENT_USER in the registry? You can usually edit this even without admin rights.
I went back to the old Win10 right click menu by this method on my work PC, which sped things up substantially
I actually have a batch script (might be a powershell script?) with this and some other stuff in it for when I’m doing a fresh install on my pc.
My work pc is locked the fuck down though, I can’t even change my wallpaper or the color of the taskbar lol.
work computer, Win 11, here. I need to lock my PC when I leave my desk. Over the last month or 2 (maybe more?) when I 3 finger salute to lock, it used to open in a moment, now I can count to at least 4 before the screen comes up
Windows+L locks it directly, fyi
Oh, nice, tks. too bad they have destroyed many of our trust. Thankfully there is no win 11 at home on any pc and only 1 win 10 that I do not maintain. GF and I are both on linux
Theres another windows+L shortcut as well, windows+ctrl+shift+alt+l. It opens linkedin. Because why not
Oh man I forgot about that one. Dumbest shit ever, I love it
Microslop Winslop 11 with Electroslop
-> push software that needs tons of ram
-> cause ram shortage
-> ???
-> …profit?
At least for Enterprise where the real money is, “???” seems to be https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-365/windows-365-enterprise
This isn’t some grand plan 5d chess. The people running these companies are dumb as hell and lucky. They get convinced from one silicon valley thought leader’s blog post that ai and electron are the future and then direct the entire company in that direction thinking they’re a great leader who will be remembered for pushing the company in a novel direction at just the right time. They attend a talk by a different thought leader who talks about a future of ai cloud computers that anyone can access from anywhere with more computational power than could ever fit into the shitty laptop they’re accessing it from, then they go to the board meeting the next day with their bright new idea to do cloud personal desktops.
These companies are entirely responding to (nonsensical) market forces and the whims of high ranking individuals within their ranks. It’s painful and ridiculous.
To be clear, there are some benefits to provisioning enterprise devices in a tightly controlled cloud environment, but we’ve all seen ideas with “some benefits” get shot down by managers and CEOs who “don’t get why anyone would want that” so I’m not keen on giving Microsoft too much credit.
-> …profit?
They’re already hitting the storage side of things pretty hard.
Buy up all of the hardware on the planet to have a monopoly on compute/storage -> rent the compute/storage to everyone who can’t buy it.
See also: Housing
I’m so glad I bought my laptop when I did recently, with plenty of RAM and storage. Just in time before that stuff becomes impossible to find or impossibly unaffordable.
This generation of hardware will probably be the plateau. The decline and fall is just around the bend. Maybe another generation of CPUs before those go for bust, too. They can rent out GPUs, RAM, and storage, but as far as I’m aware the CPU needs to be local on the device. At least, a CPU needs to be on the device…
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this trend is occuring just as NPUs are starting to hit the market. Those chips are too powerful to let the plebeians own and use without restriction, in the corpo’s view.
Whether a better system replaces this one after it falls, or we enter an era where consumer hardware is a thing of the past, remains to be seen. Maybe when the AI bubble bursts, tech companies will have to liquidate their data centers and secondhand servers will become cheap. That would do wonders for the fediverse and the decentralized web…
Posting scammy Amazon links feels like cheating when having these discussions, but I kinda get where they’re coming from. The fact that people can try to sell a laptop with only 64gb disk is absolutely mental to me, because that’s not even enough to let the BASE OS run normally and update reliably. And that’s before you start doing anything on it.
Once again, Microslop is a strong contender for Linux Marketer Of The Year award
Inner-platform effect in full swing. Windows exists only to run Chrome. Chrome is the new OS layer.
The one thing Apple has done an amazing job of over the years is providing a solid, clean, common application framework for all of their systems.
They’ve fucked it up recently, but basically, 90% of the time you’d get the same consistent interface design across all apps, with common design language and iconography and accessibility features. They aggressively deprecate so you have to keep that $100 dev fee rolling, but the experience has been good for the the better part of 20 years (post carbon & X11, pre-liquid ass, the cocoa years).
If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.
If everything on Windows is a vibe-coded web app then everything is going to look like different, feel like shit to use, and perform like shit.
I am happy to report: Windows apps that look different, feel shit to use and perform like shit are already available!
E.g. Teams, the CPU warmer from hell, was rolled out to Windows long ago. It was coded for Electron and couldn’t even integrate with Microsoft Windows’ taskbar popups. They had to fake one by creating a window that moved itself up from below the screen. Did this break when you changed resolution? Yes it did. Did it break when you moved the taskbar? Yes it did. Did it break when- YES IT DID
The one thing Apple has done an amazing job of over the years is providing a solid, clean, common application framework for all of their systems.
iOS doesn’t even have a universal back button, every app has their own way of implementing it.
If your app uses NavigationView, like 80% of apps, you get a back button and swipe gesture for free.
It has swipe to the right from the side of the screen. That works in very application I’ve tried.
It’s not universal. It has become more common, but there is no OS-level enforcement
What is it with Android users’ obsession with the back button? Who actually cares? Why would I want some button that goes back to the wrong app for some reason?
Who actually cares?
Every people that complains, for one. And the “back” feature, with apps that follows the guidelines, is quite useful and consistent.
Apple has a universal app switcher gesture that is harder to accidentally invoke. It used to use the home button before for that when it was on the front of the device.
The back button on Android just feels like Chromebook bullshit to me.
The back button is just completely unnecessary. Imagine not knowing how to get back to something because the UI is atrocious so you revert to relying on a hardware key. 😷
Android - provides a back button that has the same look, location and functionality system wide so that users don’t how to figure out how each individual application decide to implement (or not) go back functionality
Cousin Mose - the UI is attrocious.
Thanks for letting us know that no one should listen to your opinions on UI / UX ever lol
Lol so funny 😭
Apple has a universal app switcher gesture that is harder to accidentally invoke.
Try teaching your 90-year-old mother to use that fucking gesture. Lol “Apple is so intuitive”.
I have a literal 85 year old father in law with mild dementia who uses his iPhone and iPad just fine. It literally is intuitive.
Tell me you haven’t used a back button without telling me.
To TLDR you pretend the back button on android is the back button on your mouse, because it is. Does it seem useful yet?
Back button on a mouse? I use a Trackpad. If I wanted to spend all day slowly navigating the UI click by click I might go back to a mouse.
And by the way, the reason I know it takes you back to an entirely different app than the one you’re using is because I’ve used it before. 😒
It takes you back to the previous view in the stack. Unless the current app was launched from a different app, there will be no other app in the view stack to go back to.
TL;DR: You’re full of shit, and anyone familiar with how Android handles view state under the hood knows it.
Right, why would you need a physical hardware button to go back to the last app? It’s treating the entire OS like a single tab in a web browser.
TL;DR: You have no reading comprehension. Also, why do you need to summarize your comments? It wasn’t even long.
How has Apple fucked up recently?
As an avid Apple user the most recent ui changes are unfathomably bad. The os has become notably less useful to me in som frustrating ways. I can solve some but not all of it through settings.
Idk I’ve really liked it. Accessibility was an issue in the demos, it’s not anymore; the changes are purely aesthetic and tbf it does look nice
The transparency is still painful for me. And I used to be able to two finger click on my apps app to see a list of all apps that I could quickly scroll to and get. Instead of that quick and easy interaction now I get a window that pops up and forces me to type search Params, and it always has the last thing I searched in there so I can’t just scroll. It turned a “two finger click, scroll, one finger click” activity I could do with a single hand into “click, click, hold backspace, type Params, click” activity that is way less convenient and requires both hands.
ngl I did make the jump to liquid glass on Macos, but for iOs I started on liquid glass (and quickly came back to Android once I realised I could not stand youtube without adblock and sponsorblock), so I definitely did not miss features and did like the looks of the UI
You mean since 26? I agree. I dunno who they have at the wheel, but they need to step down lol.
It was this guy. And he left for Facebook. Where he belongs.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/apple-iphone-alan-dye-design-move-b2878226.html
IIRC the person most responsible for Liquid Glass now works at Meta.
That’s the AI, which is only a small fraction of the problem with 26.
