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    Correct take for the wrong reasons vs bad take wrapped in decorum.

    ‘the difference is real’ yeah sure I guess.

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    Mueller being a republican, he wasnt going to do real damage to trump. but trump is very vindictive, any perception of being accused he will attack them regardless of thier loyaltly.

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    Unlike Capt. Bonespurs, Mueller enlisted for Vietnam and was a highly decorated Marine.

    After waiting a year so a knee injury could heal, Mueller was accepted for officer training in the United States Marine Corps in 1968, attending training at Parris IslandOfficer Candidate SchoolArmy Ranger School, and Army jump school. Of these, he said later that he considered Ranger School the most valuable because he felt “more than anything teaches you about how you react with no sleep and nothing to eat.”[27][28]

    In the summer of 1968, he was sent to South Vietnam, where he served as a rifle platoon leader as a second lieutenant with Second Platoon, H Company, 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines3rd Marine Division.[10][29] On December 11, 1968, during an engagement in Operation Scotland II, he earned the Bronze Star with “V” device for combat valor for rescuing a wounded Marine under enemy fire during an ambush in which he saw half of his platoon become casualties.[30][31] In April 1969, he received an enemy gunshot wound in the thigh, recovered, and returned to lead his platoon until June 1969.[32] For his service in and during the Vietnam War, his military decorations and awards included additionally, the Purple Heart, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals with Combat “V”, Combat Action RibbonNational Defense Service MedalVietnam Service Medal with four service starsRepublic of Vietnam Gallantry CrossRepublic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and Parachutist Badge.

    Reflecting on his service in the Vietnam War, Mueller said, “I consider myself exceptionally lucky to have made it out of Vietnam. There were many—many—who did not. And perhaps because I did survive Vietnam, I have always felt compelled to contribute.”[35] In 2009, he told a writer that despite his other accomplishments, he was still “most proud the Marine Corps deemed me worthy of leading other Marines.”

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        Mueller has cited the combat death of his Princeton lacrosse teammate David Spencer Hackett in the Vietnam War as an influence on his decision to pursue military service.[24] Of his classmate, Mueller has said, “One of the reasons I went into the Marine Corps was because we lost a very good friend, a Marine in Vietnam, who was a year ahead of me at Princeton. There were a number of us who felt we should follow his example and at least go into the service. And it flows from there.”[25] Hackett was a Marine Corps first lieutenant in the infantry and was killed in 1967 in Quảng Trị province by small arms fire.[26]

        I was in 1st/2nd grade, but rode the schoolbus with high schoolers in the early 70s. Kids who had relatives drafted. Everyone hated that war but some felt a need to enlist for reasons such as those of Mueller. A good friend of mine enlisted in the Marines 20 years after his uncle was killed in Vietnam, out of a sense of honoring his memory. He is no monster.

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          The logic is a bit weird though. Like picking up smoking out of solidarity because your buddy died of lung cancer.

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          So he went to Vietnam to avenge another monster who was killed for being an invader?

          We’d be better off as a society if every single person who volunteered for Vietnam never came back.

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            Many murderer, eerrrrr…soldiers, are obviously against your opinion, but without the balls to say so.

            And yes, if no nation would find people willing to die for money, errrr freedom’n’stuff, the billionaires would have to fight each other themselves, and then wouldn’t.

            But there will always be clueless people, indoctrinated by enough bullshit to do so. Probably especially in the USA where the observationally challenged are legion and even wear red hats.

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    Oh goodie. When trump inevitably dies and I throw a pizza party, I look forward to being able to take this screenshot, swap the names, and shove it in the face of every magat who insincerely demands civility

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      You’ve got at least another 5 years. His handlers will duct tape him together long enough to get the Constitution out of the way.

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      Being able to handle hurt fee fees like an adult needs to be a requirement for any public office.

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        At this point I’m so jaded that I just kind of accepted it to be real…

        I just don’t care anymore, he’s shown his true colours and for whatever reasons people still like him.

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      ah yes. my favorite part of the bible.

      Be kind to one another, except for the brown ones, forgiving only whites, as Trump forgave you.

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    Wasn’t Mueller behind the massive illegal spying program under George Bush Jr?

    https://archive.is/PFUm4

    Opponents have challenged provisions of the USA Patriot Act, the focus of contentious debate on Capitol Hill this week, that expand domestic surveillance by giving the Federal Bureau of Investigation more power to collect information like library lending lists or Internet use. Military and F.B.I. officials have drawn criticism for monitoring what were largely peaceful antiwar protests.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President's_Surveillance_Program

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      What Obama said was not entirely true to Robert’s personality and actions, but that is beside the point.

      The point is that some people have decorum and are good speakers. Some people, even if they don’t mean it, are respectful of the dead, even if they don’t deserve it.

      And some manchildren have none of that. The day that man baby dies I probably won’t have any decorum either.

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        And some manchildren have none of that.

        Obama very wisely and maturely appointed Mueller’s protege James Comey to head the FBI. Comey very diligently and methodically played Ds and Rs against one another to secure his position as a radical centrist. And between the two of them, the conditions were laid for a Manchild to take control of the executive branch.

        I just don’t get the need for hagiography. All these guys sucked. Some of them were just smoother about it than others.

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            Obama is not a pedophile

            He sent his kids to work at Miramax fully aware of Harvey Weinstein’s history. He spent more labor and resources conducting a Cold War across Latin America and the Middle East than cracking down on the crooks, the white nationalists, and the pedophiles at home.

            Ffs, his chief economic advisor - Larry Summers - absolutely was a pedophile. As were his political allies in the tech sector, Elon Musk and Bill Gates.

            If he wasn’t personally schtupping kids, he was enabling and enriching those that did.

            Trump, himself, was engaged in open and notorious human trafficking through Eastern Europe during Obama’s tenure. This whole thing could have been nipped in the bud if his FBI director James Comey cared half as much about Krasnov as Hillary’s emails.

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            If Trump wasn’t any of those 3 things, would you have any more positive view on what he’s done while in office?

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        The point is that some people have decorum and are good speakers. Some people, even if they don’t mean it, are respectful of the dead, even if they don’t deserve it.

        “It doesn’t matter if he was evil, he spoke well and respect bad people dying”

        Why do centrists always police language over action?

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          You just assumed I’m a centrist because I expect politicians to be respectful of each other? Holy shit dude there is something wrong with your moral compass. Respecting people and disagreeing with them are not mutually exclusive.

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            I assumed you’re a centrist because you went on to praise “decorum” instead of the negatives he did, but I suppose to be fair you could also be a right winger.

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      Yes, but centrists expect us to move on and forget about all that stuff because they support it.

      People like Obama and Mueller are entirely to blame for the role they played in the move towards state empowerment and fascism. However as they appear in opposition to Trump they will garner public sympathy.

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      Yes, there was his part in the selling of the WMD narrative in Iraq:

      On February 11, 2003, one month before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Mueller gave testimony to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Mueller informed the American public that “[s]even countries designated as state sponsors of terrorism—Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, and North Korea—remain active in the United States and continue to support terrorist groups that have targeted Americans. As Director Tenet has pointed out, Secretary Powell presented evidence last week that Baghdad has failed to disarm its weapons of mass destruction, willfully attempting to evade and deceive the international community. Our particular concern is that Saddam Hussein may supply terrorists with biological, chemical or radiological material.”[48][49] Highlighting this worry in February 2003, FBI Special Agent Coleen Rowley wrote an open letter to Mueller in which she warned that “the bureau will [not] be able to stem the flood of terrorism that will likely head our way in the wake of an attack on Iraq”[50][51] and encouraged Mueller to “share [her concerns] with the President and Attorney General.”

      But he did oppose the renewal of the warrantless wiretapping:

      On March 10, 2004, while United States Attorney General John Ashcroft was at the George Washington University Hospital for gallbladder surgery,[52] then-deputy attorney general James Comey received a call from Ashcroft’s wife informing him that White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales were about to visit Ashcroft to convince him to renew a program of warrantless wiretapping under the Terrorist Surveillance Program which the DOJ ruled unconstitutional.[52] Ashcroft refused to sign, as he had previously agreed, but the following day the White House renewed the program anyway.[52] Mueller and Comey then threatened to resign.[53] On March 12, 2004, after private, individual meetings with Mueller and Comey at the White House, the president supported changing the program to satisfy the concerns of Mueller, Ashcroft, and Comey.