Eh who cares? Disney sucks. Let’s move on
Opposites attract something something?
I mean isn’t it standard in Disney princesses?
Anna in Frozen has a whole song about how castle will finally have “real people” when the party starts, while servants around her prepare for said party.
I always laugh at that scene! Like someone taught her how to socialize and read, and thought they were meaningfully impacting her life, but then Anna comes around singing, “I wish there were people, and not these lower life forms!”
Of course Elsa agrees knowing that she considers them all, including Anna to be in lesser life forms.
🎵 Do you want to
build a snowmansee a peasant 🎵🎵Have a dinner for idiots?🎵
Wanting more than your current circumstance is not ‘looking down’ on your present circumstance in a negative way, it’s just aspiring to more than you have.
For small minded people, that definitely can be the case and seem snobbish.
She was right tho.
Belle: “I really want to find a town with a decent library”
The Town: “This chick so crazy, she learned to read.”
Beast: “Behold my enormous library”
Belle: “I will fuck the fur off your foreskin if you let me live here.”
Gaston: “Books are scary, burn this place to the ground”
Twitter: “Belle is the bad guy”
Well, TBF she IS really into a furry - that makes all sorts of people a bit squeamish.
Skill issue
He’s not a furry, he’s a monster, making Belle a monsterfucker.
BEASTeality
Her boyfriend turned back into a human, though. Maybe we should all chip in and get her a Bad Dragon gift card?
Fifty years ago you could depict a romance without everyone assuming that they’re fucking.
Simpler times, it was…
unrealistic for cishet sexual people (the assumed default)
Howso? Abstinence until marriage was more normal back then, and deviations from that norm were viewed as aberrations. It’s almost the opposite today.
I guess I need to amend 50 years to 70+ years because it just dawned on me that 50 years ago was the '70s… in my mind “50 years ago” still means “1950s”…
But still.
Also, wasn’t the Beast’s curse broken by “true love’s first kiss”? So obviously they weren’t fucking because the movie ended right after their first kiss…
You think you have to kiss to fuck?
It’s not impossible to do otherwise, but generally a typical progression (especially for someone’s first time) involves kissing before fucking.
There’s really no basis to assume that Belle fucked the Beast in monster form…
Is she really into furries, or is she just into monsterphelia?
More like “monster-feel-ya,” amirite?
Ursorite!
Real furry, fine
Pretend furries in fursuits? That’s the 2020’s version of blackface. Y’all are going to have a difficult time once the real furries get political representation
LGBTQ+ are still having problems with that, so I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I think the furries have an illuminati like presence and power over the modern world.
They control all our computer networks, security, and technology.
Unfortunately, they don’t yet seem to understand that themselves - I so wish they’d band together to wield their collective power.
Oh, they know, there just isn’t enough of them who want to do that… Yet
SiegedSec kind of did.
Given how expensive fur suits are, I feel like most of them are secretly tech oligarchs but we just don’t know it because we never see their faces…
What do you mean by real furry?
Because as far as I know, every single furry is wearing a suit right now.
And the beast was literally a monster-fied human being.
It was my best attempt at a joke saying that the beast is a real person that will be coming for all the furries. Really hard to craft while remaining funny and not antagonistic but probably failed.
No, it landed. It just went over that user’s head…
On the other hand, Belle is underaged, so those same people are now conflicted.
Is that canon? I don’t think the film mentions her age.
Are you just assuming that because she lives with family? You know that was the norm in the time period it’s set in, right?
She’s the youngest of a family of 12. She’s a maiden. It’s Disney
Youngest of 12 doesn’t mean she’s a child. That’s god awful logic.
And “maiden” back then basically meant “virgin”, which could be almost any unmarried adult woman. There’s no implication that she’s a child.
Mulan was Disney, do you want to try arguing that she was a child too? Even though she saw a matchmaker and joined the military?
I mean, in romeo and juliette, juliette is ALMOST 14 and her nurse is bothered by the fact that she still isn’t married, or engaged, or have a serious suitor, because she is becoming an old hag. Most of the young women in these old stories are VERY young by today’s standards. Which I think is why Disney often avoids specifically saying their age in their movies.
Just to mention, early drafts had her just passing her 17th birthday at the start of the movie. By the time production came around, there were no references to her age, and both the voice actor and animator have said they based off early 20s. In part because of her clear emotional intelligence, which isnt really teen level.
I’d say the lowest she could be considered at the start of the film would be 17, but I’d agree on early 20s personally.
My sister is younger than me by a decent margin and was prime age for the late 80s/early 90s world of Disney. I watched a lot of Disney with her.
Source for the early drafts thing?
Also, the definition of legal adulthood is fundamentally arbitrary. That’s an uncomfortable truth that people don’t like to have pointed out, but the only thing that makes “18 years and a day” in any substantial way different than “18 years minus a day” is that the laws in most places (not even all, to be honest) define midnight on one’s 18th birthday as the moment one becomes a legal adult.
It could just as easily be 21 or 25 or 19 or 20 or 17, and in some cases it is treated as one of those or another. But local laws are ultimately what make that determination, and those laws are written by humans. And the social consciousness has kind of just settled on 18 as the standard.
But even then, people don’t stick to it, because most people are still uncomfortable with the idea of a 28 year old dating an 18 or 19 year old. So why don’t we make the legal age of adulthood something higher, that everyone would be comfortable with acknowledging and granting full autonomy and rights to a person of that age?
The point is, that in previous centuries and in other cultures around the world, 18 was/is not the standard age of adulthood. And there’s no objective reason why it should be.
So even if a character in a pre-industrial fictional world happens to be 17, nothing about that suggests that she isn’t an adult.
I’m sure people will be outraged about me saying this and come up with all sorts of strawman arguments to deflect the truth so they don’t have to face it, but if so then that completely misses the point of what I’m saying in the first place.
Lmfao holy shit. Gold.
::reads through the lyrics to the song::
Hmm, she makes one comment about the town being poor and provincial, a couple about wanting more out of life, and then the rest of it is the towns folk saying she’s “pretty but weird” and Gaston saying “she’s mine.”
I think this analysis stinks.
I never got the ‘i’m better then everyone else here’ vibe out of that first song either. And if we did, that’s still a long way off from creepy pushy rapist. Wow, I was really caught unawares by the high amount bad vibes gaston gives off.
Wanting more to life than can be found in a small town is a classic element of whimsy. And it still holds true today.
How many small towns die each year because none of the young people stay? The ones that aren’t ghost towns yet at least have aging populations.
Growing up I remember everyone saying things like “There’s nothing to do here, this county is boring, I want to move to a city.” And then they go off to college and get a job and live in a city, and any time you visit your hometown (except for holidays), nobody you know is there because they all left as soon as they could. And anyone who still lives there is viewed as backwards, pathetic, or a failure.
But the people who stayed view the people who left as the crazy ones, because they’re insular and haven’t seen much of the outside would, and they don’t like anything that conflicts with theirs worldview (read: the collective psychosis endemic to these small towns)
“There goes the baker, with his bread like always… the same old bread and rolls to selllll!” That’s ONE you could point at as a jab. The poor, poor boulanger!
I don’t think this is even a jab at the baker, she’s just commenting on the malaise she feels at her life being the same everyday. Relatable honestly.
Yeah that’s just being young. It would be weird if she wasn’t feeling stifled by her surroundings.
What a loser baker, making the staple foods his community likes to eat, and selling them at consistent hours!
He needs to be out here inventing cronuts and shit.
Belle.
The original Lemmite.
She said she’s bored and Twitter heard that she thinks she’s better then a whole town.
…only place…
If only that were true — it’d be great to compartmentalize all the trolls into just that box/site.
Wow so you hate Lemmy?
/s
But then the troll that survives will be all the stronger, like kodoku.
Yeah, but she’s right though. Gaston is psyched to be the biggest fish in their small pond town. Belle wants to be in a bigger pond. She aspires and yearns for more than her little town can ever offer her while everybody else is content to just exist as is. Gaston might not even be literate, yet he has the respect and adoration of pretty much everybody in town. Everybody thinks she’s a fucking weirdo for reading books. She and her father are the town pariahs for growing brains, so it’s kinda wild to criticize them for wanting something better than a town full of people who shit on them while worshipping a dumbass prettyboy.
Yeah but have you seen him eat eggs???
That man can eat so many eggs.
five dozen, no less
There’s a song about it. A different one than you might think https://youtu.be/9DDN5nhCUUU
It’s not as pretty as it sounds
Dude is roughly the size of a mother-lovin’ barge!!
Yeah, as someone who grew up in a conservative town and got bit by the travel bug, it’s really relatable actually.
People absolutely do look down on you for not being content to just live a “normal life” (meaning "conform to the oppressive standards we impose on you as “normal.”). They’ll make fun of you for being intelligent (“brainiac”/“knowitall”/etc.), and even call you arrogant while worshipping the narcissists who happen to be into sports and machismo culture instead of books and knowledge.
And when you say you want to see the world, they act like you’re arrogant/pretentious. “Oh, so you think you’re better than the rest of us?” And they think it’s unrealistic too. As if no one has ever left their hometown and built a life for themselves anywhere else. And they’ll try to guilt you about it, like “so you’re just going to abandon us?”
It’s really exhausting, to be honest…
Right? People who read into this have clearly never been the geek/nerd/weirdo who came from a small town. It’s absolute hell, Belle was relatable as fuck.
You’re right but OP was saying that thinking this was thinking she’s better than the town. It’s one of those situations where a woman can’t win because men are describing her actions. “Woman dreams of a life well lived” is the same as “Woman thinks town is beneath her” except hunting lodge chuds are describing her.
As a man who identifies more with Belle than with the rest of the townspeople, I can absolutely tell you that men who don’t conform get treated the exact same way. It’s not a gender thing.
Also, the women in the town judge her too, so why “can’t win because men are describing her actions”? Again, it’s not a gender thing.
Only an illiterate jock would be upset that someone wants more than an illiterate jock.
The townsfolk’s criticisms of Belle aren’t completely unwarranted. Gaston is a creep and a blowhard, but he’s an accomplished hunter so he’s ostensibly producing something for the town. Belle doesn’t do anything useful, she’s not even a teacher or scholar as far as we know.
Seemed like she was taking care of her father while self-educating in her spare time.
The subtext of your comment indicates that a person is either producing something or is useless, and I both disagree with that idea and think that learning and thinking are incredibly useful to society. I think that if we aren’t striving to enable the option of more idle time for anybody who wants it or needs it, then what the fuck is the point of any of this? Criticizing somebody for enjoying idle time is ludicrous.
“From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.”
But then what is she doing with that education? I agree that learning and thinking are incredibly useful to society, but only if that knowledge gets applied somehow.
You don’t need to be producing something in the context of increasing shareholder value, but if you have skills and are able then you should be contributing to your community. Especially in a preindustrial European town where people really needed to pull their weight.
Belle was more than able to be an educator but it seems like she was completely disconnected from everyone and chose to spend all of her time on leisure. I don’t think that’s a healthy lifestyle regardless of economic system.
It’s been a while since I watched the movie but I never got the impression that her father needed extra caring for. He fell ill towards the middle of the movie but was healthy in the beginning IIRC.
I agree that learning and thinking are incredibly useful to society, but only if that knowledge gets applied somehow.
She helped her father. Without her encouragement, he would’ve given up, but he kept at it and finished the wood chopping machine. And it’s implied that he wasn’t really caring for himself. I’m not sure if he did anything else like farm, or maybe he was an aging woodchopper looking to find a way to keep being useful.
Belle was more than able to be an educator but it seems like she was completely disconnected from everyone and chose to spend all of her time on leisure.
How do you educate a town that doesn’t want to be educated? And again, she was self-educating in her spare time. It’s unreasonable to expect every hobby to be expressly for helping others, just as it would be to monetize them. Not to mention, education is an investment. Maybe she could invent something in the future like her father was doing in his later years. More likely is that she might write books of her own, but you see how little the rest of the town values books and those who read them. The town just isn’t the right place for her.
It’s weird that the town gave a shit about her choosing to read, and even weirder that people here in the real world are siding with the fictional dumb hicks here. It’s not like she owed them anything. Especially after the way they treat her and her father. Fuck those judgy yokels. Even these days, I get a sour look when I mention reading books. It’s like half the people in the world decided to grow up to be Matilda’s shitty parents.
It’s been a while since I watched the movie but I never got the impression that her father needed extra caring for. He fell ill towards the middle of the movie but was healthy in the beginning IIRC.
Our introduction to him is an invention backfiring and harming him non life threateningly.
I get the impression that without Belle to mind him, he would be dead from an invention that went too wrong, though it is not explicitly stated.
He falls ill after the townsfolk imprison him without heat in winter. Their excuse for locking him up is “he’s crazy” when he tells them of the castle and it’s inhabitants.
To be fair, any sapient creature would find it pretty upsetting to be among most humans.
Well, she glossed over the worst parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwA1VeYpvaM
No one grills like Hank Hill Nor has skills like Hank Hill To sell propane and propane accessories like Hank Hill
You still won’t find this month’s Playboy centerfold in there, Gaston.
I was about to ask for this! I have been looking for it for years!
I don’t remember the search terms I used but it was in my deep lore folder.
Haha, for some reason “Gaston meme hank hill propane” didn’t find it for me 😭
Belle was right and she is one of the few Disney Princesses that is not just a horny teenage idiot following her hormones and getting her parents killed as a result
