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So the whole “force ghost” thing requires much time spent meditating in the force. Yoda communed with force Qui Gon to learn it and gave instructions for Obiwan on how to train for it during his exile on Tatooine.
Having completed this meditation training, Qui Gon would have been at peace with dying. Similar to how Obiwan seemed to allow Vader to strike him down during their final duel; only to return through the force to Luke.
Perhaps part of the reason that this technique is not more wide spread is because it inherently weakens ones determination to survive.
The Sith cannot transcend death in this way. They must pour their power into clinging on to life.
it inherently weakens one’s determination to survive
This is a good point. Aren’t Jedis quite selfless though? I would think that they would already not prioritize their own survival over other principles.
When you work on dissolving the self, one big benefit is you stop freaking out so much about death. You recognize that even though you’re locked into this very narrow subjective experience, it’s still one cell in a much larger process which will endure after your death. It becomes much less “the end of everything.”
I would guess that Jedis are totally there and wouldn’t change any of their choices based on whether their little subjective consciousness will cling to existence or not.
I would think that they would already not prioritize their own survival over other principles.
I think the Sith are one of the few things that present a threat larger than the average Jedi master can navigate.
Then what’s the story with Vader doing it in RotJ?
He stopped being a Sith and then mastered the technique really fast by being a chosen one. It’s like that one scene in Kung Fu Panda 2
That’s where the controversy comes into play. Cuz the whole force ghost mechanics were written after similar to midicloreans…
There’s basically a few explainations.
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It’s part of his redemption
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His midicloreans… / natural affinity with the force
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His connection with obiwan, quigon, yoda who all helped him trancend.
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Makes for a good ending. (The original reason probs)
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In an alternate timeline where Lucas finished all 9 movies I could see him re-releasing the movies with some choice edits. Similar to this but a little less tongue in cheek.
Fun fact: it was intended to be a 12 part series, like the Flash Gordon or Buck Rodgers serials of the 1930s.
But critically NOT during the first movie. During ANH nobody expected there to be a sequel.
George always wanted it to happen, but if I recall correctly you are right, it wasn’t even called A New Hope or had the title crawl until It was re-released shortly before Empire.
I don’t doubt he had a bigger story. The conflict between the two mentalities is what led to humorous bits like the Luke & Leia kiss before the knew they were related.
As I understand it George was the ideas man, part of the reason the prequels went off the rails a bit is because he removed himself from people who had helped the original trilogy be what it is, people like Lawrence Kasden. I’ve always been curious which one of them had them kiss and which one of them decided they were siblings as much of Empire was written by Kasden.
I’m willing to accept all of the above.
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Why you gotta poke a hole in this guy’s awesome theory? So mean.
But yeah…
It’s a pretty widely discussed plot hole. But like plot holes are what you get when you start writing a story that you never expected to finish and then after you finish it decide that was the middle of the story.
Maybe there’s an explanation though. Like, Vader is just super powerful and figured it out while in his meditation sphere?
the Sith cannot…
Idunno… I’ve seen a lot of sith force ghosts…
Albeit they always seem a bit more haunty and tortured than the Jedi.
legit. I wonder if there is a difference.
Aren’t the sith ghosts more tied to locations?
We know nothing of his alien physiology. He could be like a worm. There are now two mauls, one originally the top, the other bottom. They are probably lovers.
Machinery in the Star Wars universe seems to be aware to an extent. Why? What’s the threshold? If I just build a head is that enough? If I just build a torso, is that enough? What about Luke’s cybernetic arm? It seemed to act of its own volition on a couple of occasions.
There’s an issue with cross pollination, too. Maul’s upper half was attached to a crawler droid and he thought he was some cave spider. 3PO’s head was on a battle droid body and he started developing a bloodlust for combat.
One’s a top the other’s a bottom ? 😏
Neither confirming or denying: that may be the plot line of the recent maul series on Disney+
It’s also the plot in a couple of legends and canon books too.
People like to bash the palpatine coming back, but it’s actually a well thought out storyline in the books. A lot of stuff gets lost between the books and the movies though, the whole episode 3 book has a totally different feel than the movie. A whole arc is missing about why he’s so mad to not get the rank of master.
Palpatine was telling Anakin the Jedi masters had the secret to eternal life and it would save padme.
We’re talking about the two halves of Maul being lovers, right?
Right?
Hrmm I don’t think I’ve gotten to that story yet. But anything is possible.
You won’t hear those stories from a Jedi. You need to go to fanfiction.net and learn the ways of the Sith
People bash Palpatine coming back because it was not well thought out in the movies. They could have set it up easily in the PT what with all the allusions to the Force being able to be used to influence life and death. Then you have two movies in ST to play with before a big reveal in the final film. But unfortunately all the trilogies were too disconnected from each other, with the ST being too disconnected within itself.
Palpatine being back wasn’t even revealed first in the movies, it was revealed in a Fortnite event of all places. Absolutely crazy choice of marketing.
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There were a lot of moments of the Obi-Wan series that I liked. The whole first episode was great, Ben surviving in his new life in the desert. Loved when he explained the Force to Leia, it felt very OT. Some great Anakin/Obi-Wan moments.
That said, I’m currently reading the Kenobi novel and I’m loving it so far. I think I much prefer it to the series.
The dark side is a pathway to many abilities that some consider unnatural.
