This is getting out of hand.
Not to be that smug guy who drives old cars, but I can fairly safely gaurenteed my cars, from '84, '85, '93, '06, and '07 are not spying on me.
…can yards and house fronts for code violations: overgrown grass, illegal dumping, peeling paint…
I’m sure nobody’s going to get outrageous fines due to an AI’s false positives.
That’s the announcement. It isn’t the story.
AI writing detected in an article about the evils of AI. It’s like rain on your wedding day.
this article sounds like AI too, i am going crazy
What if I dont have a garbage truck?
Straight to jail!
Well your neighbors might
scan, or act as mass surveillance as people become aware of flock cameras.
Us paranoid tried to warn everyone back in the early 2000s
1984/
How’s it going America?
Oh…
The Land of Free* *Terms and conditions apply.
The only condition: don’t be poor
Not an actual product
For illustration purposes only
Actually Propaganda
For illusory purposes only
I guess they won’t be satisfied until we are all wearing mechanical suits that will prevent us from doing anything “illegal!”
or have cameras in your own house monitoring your every move. like that dropout/collegehumor skit, where republicans have cameras in every move to monitor as a “thought” police.
Remember the stories about how wifi does a good job of telling where people are in the house? They might already be on that way.
I just put my wifi in a metal box. /s
On a more serious note, how does one fight this? Will putting the router in a wooden or plastic box interfere? What about putting it outside the house but within range?
That is just the start. Next: they want predictive AI to predict every aspect of your life.
After that, they will figure out how to manipulate the WiFi, to control your behavior subtly.
Then, comes make you do crimes, just to punish you for them.
I feel like we might as well just shoot right to the 1984 reference
Or just electro shock collars
You guys get shock collars? We get the kind that explodes your head.
Of all places, the fucked up red run Florida Oblast. I thought the MAGA nutters were all about “freedom.”
It’s not for them, it’s for their neighbors.
Freedom (like free market, etc) means the freedom for corps to do whatever they want. The exact opposite of what Adam Smith meant.
Classic Murica: redefine a specific term and claim it’s in line with the original definition. If you can’t beat the facts, play with the terms behind those facts. Win!
Freedom in the US means the right to ride your Harley Davidson fart noise machine wherever you want.
Freedom until they are in charge.
About? Imagine my surprise when I logged into my WM portal to see if they picked up, and boom, full HD video of them dumping my trash into their truck, my property in full view.
That’s nice they have that technology… the videos they send businesses are so crappy we can’t even tell if it’s our container when they try to charge overages.
The problem with these, and all, automated systems that detect EVERYTHING is that current code enforcement hardly detects 0.1% of existing violations, by design. That’s how they roll. They only kick into action when somebody complains.
Think of speeding tickets - how easy would it be for our roadside ALPR systems to time your transit from point A to point B, calculate your minimum average speed to make the trip in that time, and mail you a citation when you’re over the posted speed limit? Not hard at all, but that’s not how speeding tickets roll in this country (and most others, too.) If they really wanted total enforcement, your car already knows when you’re speeding, it can already wirelessly tattle on you to roadside monitors, they could effect 100% citation coverage if they wanted to, but whoever tries that is comitting political suicide.
One of the reasons HOAs are such groaners is that the types of people who run for HOA president occasionally (not always) go in for this “100% enforcement” mentality and due to the utter apathy of HOA residents who can’t be bothered to depose their despot, they can persist in that mode for years. Last HOA I lived in had fearless leaders who “lived in the back” and hired an outside company to write upkeep violations, but only on houses in the front of the neighborhood.
When I lived in a big city with a code enforcement department instead of an HOA system, things went along for decades without much flap, the occasional citation on the really persistently bad violators - as things are expected to work, but then some new neighbors moved in and attended the city-neighborhood meeting and started chanting “just enforce the law, JUST ENFORCE THE LAW” and, so, code inspectors were sent to walk the neighborhood by foot and write every violation they could see from the street. Our 400 houses got more violations written up in one day than the entire city of 40,000 homes received in the prior year.
So, these systems that “observe 13,000 violations in a single week” need to chill out, turn the filters way way up and figure out what the 13 most important violations in the city are each MONTH and work with those property owners to get them fixed. Use the photo-scans to pre-screen citizen complaints, ensure that there’s even a problem worth sending an inspector for when the neighbor says “there’s been a junky car here up on blocks for the past 2 years and somebody needs to do something about it” the records can show whether that’s true, or a gross exaggeration before prioritizing which citizen calls get seen this week and which need to chill out and “wait their turn.”
I was looking at this, wondering what I asked Claude to get this, before realizing it is Lemmy.
The problem with these, and all, automated systems that detect EVERYTHING is that current code enforcement hardly detects 0.1% of existing violations, by design.
True, but once it’s automated, it can easily be archived for future reference. Then it’s in your file for who knows what future use.
On the one hand, yes, fully enforcing these things would be gross overpolicing.
On the other hand, the selective enforcement is, by design, a way to manufacture an excuse to harass and persecute minorities/undesirables.
The correct solution is to relax or abolish the laws themselves until they diminish to the point that fully enforcing them is reasonable.
the selective enforcement is, by design, a way to manufacture an excuse to harass and persecute minorities/undesirables.
Absolutely, and this is another thing that’s going to prevent “fair” algorithmic enforcement from happening.
The correct solution is to relax or abolish the laws themselves until they diminish to the point that fully enforcing them is reasonable.
I have always thought this, but I don’t get my jollies out of selectively “sticking it to” people different than me for the same things I get away with all the time. Apparently, a lot of our government, police, and voters do…
It is like work monitoring that can monitor every keystroke and trip to the bathroom. If you expect people to be 100% rule abiding, perfect and predictable I’ve got news for you. The people putting these systems into place would never stand for them being applied to them.
time your transit from point A to point B, calculate your minimum average speed to make the trip in that time, and mail you a citation when you’re over the posted speed limit?
Norway does this.
And so does the Netherlands. It ain’t magic.
Norway does a lot of sensible things that seem impossible in the USA.
You’re not suggesting the automated mailing of speeding tickets based on average speed is reasonable, are you?
I’m Norwegian. Read in the news that there was a guy who used to set a timer and count the seconds when driving through a tunnel with average speed cameras so he wouldn’t get fined.
Just keep the speed limit, you’d get there at the same time. Sometimes i wonder how these people even survive.
I know that Colorado does this as well. Probably other states in the USA do too. https://www.codot.gov/programs/speedenforcement
If it’s clearly posted, that’s fine - and appropriate in certain mountain pass situations.
If it’s a surprise when the fine arrives in the mail, that’s pure unadulterated evil.
I’m fairly neutral on this, can you explain why it’s evil?
The only way to stop or reverse this is to get conservative capitalists out of our government.
I mean aside from literal bloody revolution, which some people say is the only way. And, as much as this may be true, it will take a lot more than what has been happening so far to incite that sort of action, so the next actionable step is to vote for and support socialists to push back against the filthy rich and their corrupt cronies that infest our government at every level.
The only way to stop or reverse this is to get conservative capitalists out of our government.
So basically everyone including the Democratic Socialist Mayor of Seattle.
…so the next actionable step is to vote for and support socialists…
On the east Coast the formerly fiery Mamdani has gone silent on this issue since becoming Mayor.
I can find examples of this kind of thing from all over the United States. I’m using Mayors Wilson and Mamdani because they directly refute the idea that “Socialists” will stop this. They clearly will not.
If you think the left doesn’t do this too I’ve got news for you.
So that they can get pictures of license plates tied to addresses to sell to repo companies so that the tow truck can come get your Hellcat.
Obviously the reader should confirm this for their own jurisdiction but there is no law against either removing or covering up your car’s plate(s) as long as you’re parked on your own private property. Just gotta remember to uncover them before you head out because that is illegal.
Car covers are also an alternative if you’re a renter assuming you aren’t required to have a parking pass or plates visible for parking enforcement.
Anyone wanna build smart licence plate covers? Like it either rolls up or flips up to hide the plate.
Maybe actually have it just flip down your plate when parked to obscure it. I would say power tinting to obscure it but technically its illegal to cover it most places.
“Smart” in this context wasn’t as much of a thing back then, but The Transporter had a similar option.
I would ensure it’s impossible to activate it from inside the car. Otherwise, eventually someone might worry about you cheating toll booths.
(…actually sounds like in Texas they’re just banned outright?)
You could just use strong magnets and take your license plates with you like the olden days.
Interesting but I just meant flipping down not completely making it look like no plate. I would say tie it to the ignition/power button so when off it flips down or up depending on what is less obvious. Like some cars have a bump above the plate that would be less obvious going up meanwhile trucks have ledges or tow hitch that would make it less obvious flipping down.
It’s better a manual one, if a police officer stop you and they make you turn off the engine, you are now in trouble
there is no law against either removing or covering up your car’s plate(s) as long as you’re parked on your own private property.
Not inherently true- most places ban having “unregistered” vehicles on residential areas, and if they can’t see a plate when they’re looking to cause problems, they’re going to claim it’s unregistered and make it your problem.
Ah my neighbor battles this every year lol, they have to prove the vehicle is actually functional. It becomes more of a battle then you would think if you have the will to fight them…
Unfortunately a huge percentage of car owners have to street park.
The idea of putting Cameras on City Vehicles and using AI to find problems, including Code Enforcement issues, is a good one IMO. The problem, as the article notes, is what that data is going to be used for in the future. We used to call this a Slippery Slope argument but the past 10 years have proven that if data is harvested that it will eventually be misused; it’s some kind of parallel to Godwin’s Law that I am going to coin as “Flock’s Law”.
In this specific instance Flock’s Law tells us that the authorities will inevitably start scanning the photos / videos for people in order to track movements, the Police will be in the database stalking people, and you’ll start getting tickets for over-filling your trash can.
Meanwhile all people really want, and what won’t happen, is someone to come by to get that absolutely jungle of a lawn mowed, fix a broken sidewalk, replace a missing street sign, or move the damn boat / camper / trailer / junk car that has been parked in the street for the last year.
