Tankies keep posting “NATO-backed Zionists” on the comm. It’s completely delusional because China, Russia, India, etc. all support Zionism as well. I was banned for pointing this out. I knew I was going against tankie narratives so I’m not surprised. It’s still pretty pathetic. Tankies literally value their alt-empire over actual meaningful anti-zionism.
FWIW I’m not especially anti-tankie either. I consider them the same as libs. People who are def better than fash but not necessarily allies.
It’s completely delusional because China, Russia, India, etc. all support Zionism as well.
If China really supports Zionism, then why does it send satellite intel to Iran that Iran then uses to bomb US bases with cruise missiles? The actual Zionist countries send intel to the Zionist entity.
At worst, you can say that China plays both sides. But that doesn’t mean China supports Zionism on an ideological level. And since it contributes to both Zionist and anti-Zionist countries, one has to weigh its Zionist contributions versus its anti-Zionist contributions.
Of note is that none of the openly anti-Zionist countries and parties (the Axis of Resistance) has condemned China for being pro-Zionist. I think I’ll trust the judgment of people who actually liquidated Zionists over people whose “anti-Zionist” praxis amounts to nothing more than useless protests that nobody cares about and useless articles that nobody reads.
I’m always kinda torn when someone on .ml pulls that kind of excessive cherry picking. It’s absolutely bullshit, and it meets the casual definition of power tripping via artificially and arbitrarily curating an echo chamber, with bans being a symptom of that rather than their own separate piece of trippin
So, yeah, PTB.
But, I think anyone going there for much of anything should know at this point that it’s inevitable. Any mention of politics that don’t support the echo are going to eventually get banned, be it temporary or permanent. Going to a community that’s based around a particularly hot button subject/location and not toeing the groupthink line, well, what would anyone expect? It’s almost asking for it. It approaches baiting. It isn’t there only by virtue of how absurdly thin skinned the reactions are, but anyone doing it has to know that a ban is incoming at some point.
Yeah, when I do end up on ml or similar I very well know what I’m getting myself into, since I am disrupting an echo chamber. I’ve been banned twice, IIRC, but I didn’t even remotely bother posting it here because I know that it’s power tripping, it’s not even a question. If anything, it provides some fun for tankiejerk or meanwhileongrad.
I don’t like the echo chember argument. For example ukraine sub will rightfully remove anything from tankis regarding the war of agression russia started.
Why though? What’s the benefit of this?
Tankies are mostly wrong about everything but occasionally they make a good point. These ideological bannings are pointless and create harmful echo chambers.
I’m OK with it if you’re creating a highly curated space where only sourced, factual information is permitted but that requires a lot of work and I’ve never seen it done on Lemmy.
You don’t need to be so knowledgeable or do long research to know that Russia is the agressor
Obviously but I guess I’m just saying people are wrong about a lot of things a lot of the time and I think a ban is a really excessive response to that.
Is c/ukraine on .ml?
I suppose that mrdown meant !Ukraine@sopuli.xyz.
Yes
Then there’s no connection. I was talking about .ml, not other instances
The connection is the idea of echo chambers . Just because certain views are not allowed it doesn’t it necessarly an echo chembers. One example is the ukraine sub it will not allow russian propaganda
So you went on a tangent. Fair enough.
But I wasn’t speaking in general, I am aware that curation and moderation are useful things. If you’ll go back, my initial comment led off with a sentence that specified .ml.
They create echo chambers on a regular basis, and do so using methodology that falls under “power trippin”.
But, back to your tangent about general echo chambers. I would partially agree with you. It is necessary to play gatekeeper when you moderate any community. Part of that is minimizing conflict. Since some communities are going to draw extra heat by virtue of being a hot topic, a moderator may have to deploy aggressive filtering, to the point of outright rejection of some types of comments.
That may or may not result in an echo chamber. But it can, and does if the moderator isn’t very judicious in their application of that tool set
their inhumane genocide vs our enlightened ethnic management.
campists gonna camp. anyone who abandons class solidarity based upon the nationality of the oppressor isn’t a particularly well-read communist. 😂
I see that ban but I don’t see the offending comment.
Not to nato level. China and russia are complicit because of trade but the west and nato back them with weapons and diolomatic protection. I am no tankie snd I believe russia is the agressor but yesh nato back up israel colonization
Let’s not bring the argument in here too please
You are free to ignore it
I’m not denying NATO support. I’m just pointing out that almost all states support zionism, especially their regimes of preference.
Not sure if china really believe in zionism. China yes believe the creation of israel was legitimate because of the UN supported it which is ridiculous but they do not talk about how israel should forever remain a jewish state . For russia yes I agree they really believe in zionism based on putin own words
China sends military exports to Israel
It is very negligable but they are still accountable for it. It fit with my original framing that the main side ensbling genocide is the west and it’s nato alliance
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports/israel/arms-ammunition-parts-accessories
Just heads up dbzer0 is getting closer to .ml levels of delusion everyday so watch out when you’re posting about zionists or tankies here too.
Db0 is against zionists and tankis .
They voted to refederate hexbear so I don’t think so.
Are you ok grandpa?
You should show some respect to your elders.
I will when they don’t show signs of [lack of mental function].
That feels a bit ableist.
Is there another explanation for this claim?
They voted to refederate hexbear […]
