What the actual flying fuckmonkeyshit piss brain kind of assholery is this???
This is why I treat it like a rental. When I was renting my deposit was 10 days of rent and I didn’t expect to get it back because I knew from someone else leaving that the landlord was a wanker.
I started homebrewing when I lived there, had a batch explode and splatter honey water all across the room. I quickly learnt to avoid the patches of carpet that were sticky. Knowing that the landlord wouldn’t repay the deposit without me taking him to court anyway, I didn’t bother cleaning it up.
That’s illegal in my country.
The only power a landlord has here is when people break stuff on purpose, cause actual disturbance or do not pay. Stuff like race, dogs, job and all that type discrimination is not allowed.
Must be nice in your country :)
While pet ownership and any sort of discrimination is not allowed in Norway, renters here view in envy at our neighbours regulated renting markets, especially the lowlanders in Denmark. But what hurts the progression here the most right now, is that up to 80 % of adults own their homes, so regulating for the lower 20 % will never be a priority, since that might hurt most people.
The term landlord dates back to feudalism. This is insanity.
“I’m too rich to afford providing your wealth grade a home, so I’d appreciate if we could grow more apart economically 😊”
Ok, but can I still flip the switch on and off rapidly pretending its a lightning storm.
Gotta be ragebait.
I sympathise with having “nightmare tenants” who trash the place, but fuck any Landlord who says you can’t work from home because god forbid you use your home that you pay them for because you’d cause a bit more wear and tear than they would like.
It’s that dog meme which I’m too lazy to even search for because I’m busy working to pay the rent: No Living! Just Rent!
Here you go
No take. Only throw.
Holy shit. I hope the top post is just satire.
Edit: lmao, jury still out on this one
I’ve seen some insane restrictions on what you can and can’t do in apartments.
Like in my apartment I’m only allowed to put an AC in 1 window of my apartment (the furthest from the bedrooms BTW), it can’t be anything other than a portable AC, and any gap around the hose needs to be clear (glass, polycarbonate, acrylic, etc.) yes even the window insert that comes with the AC has to be clear. When I moved in I thought the insert around the hose that came with it not being clear would be fine, it in fact was not. It also has power draw restrictions so I can only basically get the smallest kinds on the market.
I’m also required to have all windows and doors closed and locked when nobody is at home. Yes that means I have to pull my AC hose out of my window when I’m not home. I figured that out again the first year I lived in my apartment. (they rang my bell when I wasn’t home, then sent me a certified letter informing me I had 72 hours to fix the problem or they would serve me notice to vacate.)
Yes every summer it easily clears 90F (32C) inside and sometimes even breaks 100F (37C). And due to being an upstairs apartment that means the heat stays almost in it’s entirety overnight.
“Use the floor” makes it feel unserious imo, but could go either way
The top probably is. But the bottom is probably true.
Its most likely not.
It obviously is.
DEFINITELY maybe.
It obviously is
They cannot enforce no working from home. God damn those parasites are so fucking out of touch
Depending on the jurisdiction.
No businesses from home is a relatively common condition in a lease and co-op ownership contract, especially if the business involves people constantly visiting the home or turns the mailroom into a warehouse.
It is the equivalent of a lease banning a person from setting up an Airbnb in the unit they rented.
Working from home and operating a business out of your home are VASTLY different things.
It depends. If you’re an independent contractor working for a company, you could be considered to be operating a business from your home.
The line has gotten blurry, especially after COVID.
“Where you work” is not a protected characteristic in the US. Plenty of places where a landlord could throw this clause into the lease, and if they can prove you violated it, they can start eviction proceedings.
It would be very difficult to prove, and the ensuing legal battle may cost more than the “additional maintenance” that may be required, but in theory these bastards can do pretty much whatever they want.
I know, the where you work isn’t protected, but bring a rental has the implicit use of being a domicile, with all the freedoms associated with it
I guess it depends on what freedoms you associate with being a domicile. Plenty of leases have specific restrictions in the agreement that are enforceable as long as they don’t explicitly conflict with local laws. No smoking, no pets, etc are all valid and enforceable clauses to put in a lease. I’ve signed leases saying “guests can’t stay longer than 24 hours” without batting an eye.
Requiring a tenant to be out of the house 8 hours per day is odd and difficult to prove, but if you sign a lease that says it, I don’t see how you wouldn’t be accountable to it.
Ooh, I actually know a little bit about this!
A property owner can put whatever TF restrictions they want in the lease—and they often do! But just because it’s in a contract doesn’t mean it’s legal (e.g. contract to kill).
Let’s say a property owner finds out their tenant is working from home. They claim a violation of the lease and start eviction proceedings. That’s dumb AF.
- This would only ever be used as an excuse for a tenant they don’t like.
- If it came before a judge, even they would be like, “WTF?” And would probably not demand an explanation, but instead would point to mountains of case law that say a property owner can’t dictate what people can and can’t do within a rental property as long as those activities don’t impact the property (e.g. the value).
- That’s when the property owner would have to explain how Joe Schmoe working from home is somehow worse than retiree Judy Anywoman who stays at home all day every day.
Oh yeah, as I said, it’s a very difficult thing to prove and absolutely not worth the money wasted trying to enforce it. But there’s no rule saying dogs can’t play basketball. If a landlord wants to put it in, and a tenant knowingly signs it, the tenant needs to be prepared for the possibility of this turning into a huge pain in the ass.
Yeah, yeah, we all know the Air Bud clause.
Where i live, you can say no pets, but that is not enforceable, they can deny you on the application, but you can get a pet the minute you move in and the landlords cant evict you for it
This does depend on where you live. I have had pets in every “no pets” lease I’ve ever had because in my area its unenforceable and not an envictable offence unless under very specific circumstances, usually the landlord would have to be living in the same building and have an allergy to pets to be able to enforce a no pets rule.
Theres lots of bullshit landlords will put in a lease because they think whatever they write is law but there are often certain standards that apply regardless of what the lease says.
Agreed, I said exactly as much:
enforceable as long as they don’t explicitly conflict with local laws.
Sounds like you shouldn’t be fucking landlording, then, because if I pay rent, I can do literally whatever the fuck I want that’s non-destructive and doesn’t disturb my neighbors.
What a consummate tool, holy fuck.
Time to dust off the ol’ guillotine
Talk like that will get you put on a secret four-dimensional list.
I’m sure there’s already a list of lists I’m on.
What if I’m retired and don’t work at all? What if I work but I have a kid who stays home all day? What if I care for someone who’s bedridden, but I also have a job, and I hire a nurse to be here while I’m away. What if I hire a maid to work the whole time I’m away at work? What if I invite five friends over after work every night? What if I’m obese, are you gonna cry about me wearing out the floor twice as fast because I weigh as much as two people? What’s your policy on pacing, am I limited to a certain number of laps per day? If I’m clinically underweight, can I get an exception since I don’t wear out floors as quickly?
What if I’m in a wheelchair, do I get a discount for not wearing out the floor as much? What if I work two jobs and am thus home only half the time, what about then?
Presumably ragebait
Hopefully. The best satire is when it’s so close to reality that it’s almost believable.
Interesting take. Definining how much time one can spent in a rented property. I’m curious about the legal side of this.
Could such a prevention in the Ad for the property be ignored?
Could such a point in the contract be ignored as it would be invalid?
It brings up the point of families where one parent works and the other is home with the kids (I know this is increasingly rare, but they still exist) or retired people, or people who are disabled, or many of the other situations where someone would be home all day but not working. Could they legally tell a mom who is recovering from a recent birth or someone who is temporarily off work because of major surgery hey GTFO of your home for 8 hours a day? Methinks not.
The principle already exists. Halfway-houses often have curfews: if you’re out of the house after X time without a valid excuse, you are in violation of your lease. There’s also 55+ communities: if you’re letting your 20-something kid crash with you, you’re in violation of your lease.
As long as it’s not a protected status or violates local renting laws explicitly, a landlord can put just about anything they want in the lease agreement. If the tenant signed the agreement with those clauses, they’re obliged to abide by those clauses.
That’s because a halfway house is an alternative to jail
Not exclusively. There are plenty that are run privately and/or partner with rehab clinics as the next step after in-patient detox.
Yes, a lot of people can end up there as part of a sentencing agreement, but not all. I would be surprised if it was even most. And regardless of inciting circumstances, it’s still a living situation that is contingent on strict rules and guidelines that the tenant must agree to or face eviction. Which is exactly what we’re talking about: can a landlord dictate the conditions under which you’re allowed to stay? Yes, as long as it’s in writing, agreed to by both parties, and doesn’t violate any local, state, or federal laws.
If you want a less extreme example, we can talk about a lease that stipulates no smoking inside. That’s a pretty standard clause these days in localities that allow it. Would we give it the same scrutiny and pushback? Probably not, because most people don’t smoke these days and that expectation has been normalized. Just because landlords haven’t gotten to normalize limited usage hours for a property yet doesn’t mean it’s illegal for them to try.
TL;DR: If it’s not illegal, a lease can require anything both parties agree to. Not saying that is right, common, or economical to enforce, but it’s a thing that is true.
Halfway houses are for rehabilitation. A court allows you to live there with restrictions as opposed to locking you up. Even outside 55+ communities rentals can restrict other “tenants”. Those are vastly different scenarios, legally speaking, to restricting what the legal renter can do while simply living. As others have pointed out stay at home parents are a thing.
