• orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
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    6 hours ago

    When people say Russia, do they include their government? Because the Russian government can fuck off alongside any government. I consider myself far left and I refuse to simp for any government or its leaders. Now if we’re talking about the Russian and Chinese working class, I’ll always support them.

    • Luminous5481 "Enemy of the State"@anarchist.nexus
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      When people say Russia, do they include their government?

      I would think that would be all they are including. regular russian civilians aren’t out there making a lot of propaganda, it’s all either state owned media or right-wing nationalist influencers.

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      6 hours ago

      No government can wage a war for twelve years against wishes of their own population.

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        How do you explain the US wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan?

        The US population elected a president who was promising to end the Afghanistan War in 2008. That war ended in 2021. That’s at least 12 years of war against the wishes of the majority.

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          Good question. For most of those years (goes for both wars) they just straight up lied about how bad things were going. Then there’s the propaganda. Holy hell, so much propaganda. Like not saying you’re wrong by asking that question but there are ways of selling unpopular wars.

          Added to this, capitalists fucking LOVE wars. And without breaking capitalism all they’re really going to do about the majority coming out against war is say ‘yeah, what the fuck are you gonna do about it then?’

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          How do you explain the US wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan?

          The Americans were asking for it. Did you see how they were dressed?

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        Support. We’re the most propagandized country in the world and need to be free of this tyrannical bullshit.

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          What qualifiers are there that we’re the most propagandized country in the world? I’m of the opinion that that’s an incredibly hard thing to truly know and quantify.

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        2 hours ago

        Hey bud I don’t actually think you can get any further to the left than anarchism.

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          Meeh… Is there any historical instances that the anarchist purist consider anarchism that isn’t just defined in opposition to a “traditional” power structure?

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            Ironically, calling anarchism “disorganization” is almost always a result of capitalist/authoritarian propaganda about what anarchism is. Sorry you can’t conceive of a world where people organize themselves without the use of oppressive violence.

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            Incorrect. Anarchism is against unjust hierarchies. It can absolutely be organized.

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        4 hours ago

        I still support worker-lead efforts. I just don’t fold to singular figures or authorities. I’ve watched people excuse abhorrent shit simply because it’s a person they otherwise like.