• zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    31·
    30 天前

    Does anyone know if it has a headphone jack? It seems dumb to brag about having B&O work on the audio if not, but I am still thinking it won’t which will kill any interest in it.

    Edit: I confirmed it does not have one. total junk

      • Southern Wolf@pawb.socialEnglish
        9·
        30 天前

        Them and the “make it smaller crowd” too. A very small, very loud minority that fails to actually show up when such a product is released.

        • aquacat@pawb.socialEnglish
          2·
          29 天前

          When it comes to phone size that is not a main issue for me. The problem is UI that forces me to tap the top left corner to go back.

        • Venia Silente@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          29 天前

          That’s because “make it affordable” is also an implicit ask with any sort of alike economy. And these companies are failing at hearing it.

      • Hanrahan@slrpnk.netEnglish
        6·
        30 天前

        sure, like those supporting Palestine, doesn’t make them wrong. I hate not having a headphone jack, my Etymotic ear buds are 20 years old and still work superbly.

      • gandalf_der_13te@feddit.orgEnglish
        5·
        29 天前

        it’s not that much a minority as you’d think. just like desktop computers largely still use wires to connect mouse and keyboard, people want to have wired devices.

    • thousandyardstare@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      6·
      29 天前

      Have you tried a USB C to headphone adapter? They’re quite small and never have to leave your headphones. And you could set the phone on a wireless charger to charge and listen simultaneously. Would that be an option for you?

      Oh. I see someone else asked this. Never mind.

          • zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            13·
            30 天前

            The charging port doesn’t break from plugging in the cable, it happens because the headphone cable gets pulled at angles and usb-c isn’t good at handling the stress from. I’ve literally had this happen. And yes, Apple’s dongle IS one of the best usb-c dongles. They have always sold it dirt cheap as a way to assuage the people that were angry at the headphone jack removal. I am surprised they haven’t raised the price after all these years; it has to be sold at a loss at this point.

            • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              2·
              28 天前

              I’m still, after several years, confused on why didn’t they make the USB-C connector circular. Wouldn’t have to deal with the whole “spin 1/2” issue USB has had for decades, and there wouldn’t be a “weird angle” for the cable to be pulled at, all angles would be equal.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            3·
            30 天前

            The charging port (aka USB-C port) isnt going to break because you occasionally plug in a cable into it.

            It absolutely can.

              • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                0·
                30 天前

                I haven’t had it happen to a phone in a long time (though it did happen to the LG phone I had like two phones ago).

                I’ve had it happen to another device that charges with USB-C (Focus V Carta 2). To the point where I had to buy a wireless charger (that itself needs to charge with USB-C so I have to make sure not to do it again) built specifically for the device and it’s the only way I can charge the device now.

                Amazing device though. I’ve had it for like 6 years now and that’s the only part that stopped working. I haven’t inhaled combusted plant matter since.

                • 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  0·
                  30 天前

                  Im sure the device is end of life after 6 years anyways, so that sounds about right. I personally havent ever had a usb-c port fail, but ive only been using iphones and pixels. Good workaround with the wireless charging though.

          • Venia Silente@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            3·
            29 天前

            Much harder to replace the built-in USB-C port and you also lose a lot of other features of the phone (such as… ya know… charging) in the meanwhile.

            Really, AI has brought people intellects that low, even here on Lemmy?

                • 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  28 天前

                  Um, so FYI there are multiple ways to charge some phones. Some can do wireless charging plus let the usb-c port use a 3.5mm adapter for a headset. Its a pretty decent solution.

          • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            2·
            29 天前

            How often you needed to replace 3.5mm female socket? I don’t think I ever encountered that (if there were issues it was always with the cable), but had to replace USB female socket several times.

      • zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        30 天前

        I assume you mean a 3a, I don’t believe the 3 still had a headphone jack. I held on to my 4a for as long as I could, but after their battery shenanigans it only lasted a few hours is very light use.

        • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
          2·
          30 天前

          A phone repair shop could pop in a new battery. It wouldn’t be secure to use on the internet, but it’d be a good mp3 player :)

          • zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            0·
            29 天前

            Due to not being able to get a graphene compatible phone with a headphone jack, I’ve been just using a DAP for the past year or so. It sucks needing to carry around a second device. If I hadn’t already gone this route it would have been an option and I could have just used a rom that let me switch off the radios.

    • newton@feddit.onlineEnglish
      1·
      29 天前

      What a lot of whining over a stupid plug. You guys have absolutely no idea what it’s like to own a graphene phone.

    • 0x0@lemmy.zipEnglish
      25·
      1 个月前

      I think people going for this hardware + OS are more of a function over form crowd.

      • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusEnglish
        14·
        30 天前

        90W charging, huge storage option, high quality cameras (I already have a billion lenses on the back of my phone so I just don’t give a shit), great screen - yeah I don’t care how the thing looks. I care about GrapheneOS support and that it has the hardware to keep it usable for more than a couple of years.

        Right now its between this and a flip phone + umpc for me. We’ll see where things go in the coming months.

      • asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        29 天前

        Not me - I’m on Graphene but one of the biggest things I love about the software itself is that it’s very well designed, which is rare to see in the FOSS / privacy community. I hate shitty UIs and shitty design in general.

      • GloriousGasHole@piefed.socialEnglish
        3·
        30 天前

        I miss the days of a single camera lens. I wouldn’t even mind a system where you can swap the lens for different needs, but having a “camera bump” on a phone is so annoying. I prefer not needing a case to make the back of my phone lay flat on a table.

        • jaygray91@piefed.zipEnglish
          4·
          29 天前

          at least this one is now horizontal. so if the individual lens does not protrude too much away from the island, like the iphone 17/18 do, it shouldn’t rock when it’s on a flat surface.

          despite the stupid trend of putting massive islands o. the back of the phone, when well designed it acts as a finger cliff to balance on my hand.

          I hand a large hand so mileage will vary as always.

    • thousandyardstare@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      3·
      29 天前

      Personally, I think it’s better than the Samsung Galaxy Ultra series because, on those phones, the camera island goes down the phone, not across it, making magnetic accessories cumbersome to fit on at times.

      The Motorola also looks like it doesn’t have a camera island, just protruding cameras. I can’t be sure though.

  • sudoer777@lemmy.mlEnglish
    24·
    29 天前

    I’m glad it comes with a Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme instead of one that’s not Elite or Extreme

  • db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    16·
    30 天前

    Those cameras are stupid, 200MP is utter nonsense, no SD card slot is insane… I wish Graphene would pick a better phone

    • Natanael@infosec.pubEnglish
      10·
      29 天前

      Graphene picked an OEM who were willing to work with them and a device with the right CPU to support the hardware security features.

      This was what was available.

    • gandalf_der_13te@feddit.orgEnglish
      2·
      29 天前

      200 MP is craaazy high (as a layman). that’s like, 10k × 20k screen resolution, right?

      also i’m torn about SD cards. they sound good but also are a security hazard. anybody can pull them out and read them, right? for a portable device, i really doubt that that’s good-enough.

    • newton@feddit.onlineEnglish
      1·
      29 天前

      The iPhone is a better device for you. You’ll never be able to get the most out of a graphene phone.

      • db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        7·
        29 天前

        If Graphene would run on the iPhone it would be my first choice. But my privacy is more important than sexy hardware. It would have the added benefit of blending in, law enforcement is already targeting Pixel phones. That wouldn’t be practical with iPhone.

        Still no SD cards though… but not even the Pixel does that

  • DupaCycki@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    30 天前

    I know they already said to expect flagships, but it’s still very disappointing to me.

    Personally, I’m just never going to buy a phone with something like the 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6, a flagship among flagships.

    What are you supposed to do with a beast like that? It’s just a lot of money wasted, because nothing you’ll ever use a smartphone for requires even 50% of that performance.

    I hope some cheaper, weaker options will be supported by Graphene too.

    • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      30 天前

      All I want any phone to do is a great camera, a decent auto experience and contactless payments.

      I hope linux can get a decent camera system operational. GOS stock camera is abysmal.

      • Noxy@pawb.socialEnglish
        4·
        30 天前

        GOS stock camera is abysmal.

        it truly, seriously is. I bit the bullet and got Google’s camera app which sadly works much better. I just block it from having any network permissions but even then it feels really sketchy. but I’m not going back to the GrapheneOS camera, it’s just so fucking miserable.

        • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          30 天前

          There are other options and also a neutered pixel camera somewhere but I cant find it again unfortunately.

      • GloriousGasHole@piefed.socialEnglish
        2·
        30 天前

        The contactless payments would be a huge step. If Linux phones could get the actual phone functionality working on most models, that would be nice too. I desperately want what we were promised with Ubuntu Phone like 15 years ago. A functional phone with convergence would be fantastic.

    • gandalf_der_13te@feddit.orgEnglish
      2·
      29 天前

      i’m getting the feeling that it’s all an elaborate plan by the CIA to make sure that only rich people can afford privacy … after all, the poor people are at a higher risk to commit crimes, right? (/s)

    • Nerdulous@lemmy.zipEnglish
      20·
      30 天前

      It’s not a privacy based phone. It’s a phone they’re hoping to sell to mass market consumers that so happens to be about to run a privacy based OS.

      You are not the target audience and will continue to not be unless people like you become the dominant consumer of such a device. The problem is the people who enjoy this community, by and large, own a pixel 3 and won’t purchase anything unless it’s got every feature they want.

      Even more unfortunately is those features only end up on cheap phones because manufacturers correlated them with poor people. Need a headphone jack? Must be too poor to afford Bluetooth headphones. Need an sd card slot? Must be too poor to afford a cloud subscription or bigger phone. Need a removable battery or to repair your device? You obviously can’t afford to buy a new phone every 2 years.

      The bottom line is you are all too sensible to spend the money and influence design decisions so this is what you get.

  • Solrac@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    30 天前
    • Not Linux
    • No headphone Jack
    • No SDCard
    • might as well be a spider in the back
    • most likely not user serviceable
    • Corpo-ahh looking device
    • possibly inaccessibly priced
    • FEELS like undesirable government officials will be the ones to get these devices

    Nothing to see here. Just a bunch of noise.

    Only good thing is, graphene no longer locked to google devices.

  • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nzEnglish
    10·
    30 天前

    This is awesome; first non-google phone supported. It us a bit on the expensive side for me, but a good step in the right direction.

    Hopefully they will be able to get Motorola/Qualcomm to have the required security features on a lower end SoC and hence phone.

  • AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    10·
    30 天前

    I’ve been so hyped for this, but wow am I ever disappointed. Here’s hoping some better phones are to come with Graphene support

      • hexagonwin@lemmy.todayEnglish
        6·
        30 天前

        not the person you replied to, but i assume things like headphone jack, sdcard support, no insane camera bump, repairable design, saner price

        in addition i wish for stuff like smaller size, LCD instead of AMOLED, no pinchhole/notch. yeah ik that’s impossible these days…

        • gandalf_der_13te@feddit.orgEnglish
          2·
          29 天前

          for me personally, repairability is a negative on portable computers.

          the reasons are security, size, cost, regular lifetime. these are all negatively correlated to repairability. if you can screw your device open, that means that so can an attacker. it makes the phone bulkier and less efficient IMO if they have to keep in mind that every connector on the inside has to be standards-compatible.

          • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nlEnglish
            1·
            29 天前

            Do you think an attacker that would physically access your phone to physically probe internal debug pads would not own a heat gun or care if the screen gets damaged during disassembly? 😂 it is quite trivial to open.

            They aren’t giving the phone back. If it is such a targeted attack that the attacker is willing to open the phone at all, they will just fully disassemble it, it doesn’t matter if it is repairable or not

            It is bulkier, true, and harder to waterproof, but those are essentially the only 2 downsides.

            Security shouldn’t even be a consideration unless you are in the 0.00000001% of people doing professional spy or espionage work (or a target of them) that someone would be willing to go through the very elaborate operation of disassembling a phone to exploit firmware bugs to insert malware in order to put it back together into a compromised surveillance device and then slip it back into a location where you would just think you forgot to take it. In that case you should be using burner phones anyways, provided by the employer with a security team behind them.

      • AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        29 天前

        My major issues with it is that it’s the first phone to officially support Graphene, so you’d think it would cater to a different demographic.

        Yet there’s no headphone jack, no SD card support. And it’s WAY too big. It’s just another boring modern phone that is selling itself on being unnecessarily powerful.

    • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
      6·
      30 天前

      You well know when they come, when qualcolm puts the features in their midrange chips. GrapheneOS is not going to support SOCs that do not have the features they require.

      • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        29 天前

        I see people mentioning “features”, “features”, “features” what actually are the features they require?

    • k0e3@lemmy.caEnglish
      11·
      30 天前

      Is it? The camera lenses are a bit off-putting but it’s a slab with circles on the back like every other phone since the mid 2010s

  • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    6·
    29 天前

    over $1k

    Golly! Look at that Epstein Class price tag! And not even an audio jack to show for it! Who knows what else it’s lacking.

    • rockintrees@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      29 天前

      Hyperbolic much? $1k is a lot sure. But comparing a $1k phone to a bunch of billionaire pedos is laughable. Also you can buy previous Pixels that support Graphene.

      • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        1·
        29 天前

        It’s not hyperbole at all. The Trump Phone (the literal Epstein Class phone) is 32% cheaper than the new Moto.

        • rmrf@lemmy.mlEnglish
          12·
          29 天前

          I guarantee you not a single memeber of the Epstein class is using that phone

      • JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.netEnglish
        6·
        30 天前

        Lol they are working directly with the company.

        They just need to add a 2€ TPM chip and the rest is mostly software/firmware work.

        Pixel is breaking the support on purpose, graphene had a chance to bring that to budget phones, but likely got strong-armed by Lenovo saying “only for a flagship or no deal” or something.

        • AMoistGrandpa@lemmy.caEnglish
          4·
          30 天前

          As far as I know, the problem is that Lenovo doesn’t make the SOCs that actually implement the security features GrapheneOS requires; Qualcomm does (assuming this phone uses a Snapdragon chip - I didn’t check). And Qualcomm only puts these security features into the most powerful SOCs, which are themselves only appropriate for flagship phones.

          I hope that some day more budget SOCs will get these security features too so that more people can reap the benefits, and I hope Graphene is pushing for this too, but I don’t think we’ll see it any time soon.

          That being said, I’m just happy Graphene has any partnership at all. One step at a time; once these phones are done they can focus on expanding their offerings more.

          • gandalf_der_13te@feddit.orgEnglish
            3·
            29 天前

            As far as I know, the problem is that Lenovo doesn’t make the SOCs that actually implement the security features GrapheneOS requires; Qualcomm does (assuming this phone uses a Snapdragon chip - I didn’t check). And Qualcomm only puts these security features into the most powerful SOCs, which are themselves only appropriate for flagship phones.

            I hope that some day more budget SOCs will get these security features too so that more people can reap the benefits, and I hope Graphene is pushing for this too, but I don’t think we’ll see it any time soon.

            the CIA is behind it. they don’t want the masses (= poors) to be able to talk privately and maybe organize a significant political change or sth. it’s all about keeping the possibility for mass-surveillance open.

            technically, it would be trivial to add a TPM chip to every SoC. that would literally cost less than $10 per chip; maybe they wouldn’t have to add a chip at all but could do it all in firmware already, depending on how the exact boot mechanism works. there is clearly no technical reason for not doing it; the reason why SoC makers don’t add it has to be because of ideological decisions.