Small EVs and efficient people carriers update familiar names for the modern age.

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    Even if they could have them, they wouldn’t want them. My family has a small EV and we love it, but 80% of cars sold in the US are SUVs and trucks. The Ford Motor Company does not even make a passenger car anymore (with the small exception of the Mustang, a muscle car they sell in small numbers).

    It’s sad.

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      51 minutes ago

      I mean… it’s an American website, not surprising to have an American point of view. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    They look cool but it would be nice to see more basic EVs. Most of these concepts will likely have steer and brake by wire, while fun to drive, but meaning repairing is where the money will be.

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        I’m not sure how the “multiple countries” has anything to do with the regulatory and economic entity that is the EU that also makes carve-outs to protect local manufacturers. The cars available are not just European makers that suddenly became available to everyone because of the EU, there are tons of cars from Korea, China, and the US as well that somone living in Europe has the option to buy.

        backsides? There is no perfect system.

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          Many countries had their own car brands because we’re historically split up.

          We do integrate (other countries too) more and more now though, especially with the EU, but history changes slowly.

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      4 hours ago

      Please mark satire, unless you seriously consider 15k EUR unaffordable. In which case I have to wonder why the average new car price is well above that, of sold cars that is.

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        Not satire. Most people I know can only buy 10000€ car. Myself included. Even less for some people. They are working like everyone and should have an option too.

        So seing some privileged people saying that so cheap is an insult.

        Mexico have release a car for 7000€. That more affordable. See ? Companies don’t make an effort.

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          Because costs of operation differ between countries so does regulatory burden and so does purchasimg power. That said, 15k EUR are feasible and the 2CV is planned to be there.

          The majority can in fact afford that, in the EU, not everyone of course. That is what the used car market is for. My parents never bought a new car in their life and were no worse off for it. Naturally as sufficiently good cost effective BEVs are a relatively new phenomenon the used car market is still underdevelopedand too expensive. This will change as supply increases.

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        2 hours ago

        Cars Georg, who buys only diamond Lamborghinis, is an outlier and should not have been counted.

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    11 hours ago

    There is a criminal lack of electric minivans on the market today,

    Yes please, we need more of these, especially with slid8ng passenger doors. I’m embracing my unc status and wanting a family car even before having my own family.

    I am convinced of the minivan (mini MPV) supremacy.

    Luckily (?) the country I’m living in there’s a few options from Chinese brands but they all emulate the high end fridge on wheels vellfires or alphards.

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      yes there is, at least there is now the Kia PV5 that is somewhqt rrasonably priced for what you get. I hope the Renault Trafic will be like that as well. The VW Buzz is too expensive.

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    15 hours ago

    I’m in the US, you can have any EV you want as long as it is a half baked crossover. What I really want is a maximally efficient low slung aerodynamic wagon.

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    18 hours ago

    It’s freedom! We’re free to not be permitted to buy certain car brands.

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    Made for the civilized streets of Europe, not the kill-or-be-killed Mad Max hellscape of the the automotive United States.

    Edit: Are we making an exception for Rome?

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      Tell me you have never been oversea’s (let alone drove there) without telling me you have never been overseas.

      Everywhere in the world people drive like ass hats. It part of the human condition.

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        Nah, on average, people in Europe are way better drivers than in the USA. To the point where it’s shocking to me as an American.

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          Per capita yes - but as so often in statistics, per-capita measures are an excessive simplification. By km driven, the US isn’t an outlier (Top score is Mexico with 27.5 deaths / 1bil km - then Belgium 7.3, US 6.9, France 5.8, Australia 4.9, Canada 4.3, and I lost interest in looking these up)

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        Yes, but the problem in the US is we have several generations of cars built to be “safe” for the driver, which means more dangerous for everyone else, meaning drivers of large vehicles drive wrecklessly with absolutely no fear for their own lives and aren’t removed from the gene pool.

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          I just sorta assumed this was true (in no small part because I accept xkcd as infallible gospel). But I was curious and just dug into it, and it appears that the fatality rate for accidents with injury in the US is among the lowest. And while the accident-with-injury rate is higher in the US than the combined EU + EFTA it’s not so different as to change this relationship. I really didn’t expect that, and I wish I could find more recent data to see how the trend has changed up to today (the best data I could find on this was from 2015 - which is well into the era of the US fixation on suburban combat vehicles, but as they may make up a higher % of all vehicles on the road now, I’m very curious to see what the current data shows)

          (Chart in spoiler because I don't want to clutter up the thread:)

          Source

          The report this is pulled from excludes non-injury MV accidents

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          I was driving from coast to coast in the US granted, a good while ago when there were still much fewer ass clown oversized trucks on the road (but still more than enough anyhow), in a Sedan. Didn’t feel too stressed to be honest. Where it gets really dangerous real fast is if you dare to walk anywhere outside of the few somewhat pedestrian friendly areas in the country.

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        Taxi drivers take it to the next level tho. First time I rode a taxi in Tallinn was pretty white knuckle.

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          Did you know that the highway scene in Tenet was filmed in one take and entirely accidentally? They just built the film around that.

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          Guangzhou, China takes the cake. I was there for a few weeks. Wrong side of the road, wrong way on one way streets, ON THE FUCKING SIDEWALKS w/ ped traffic. It was insane!

          Dominican Republic is a distant second, there was order to the chaos I could see after a few weeks… China it was pure entropy at its finest!

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          5 hours ago

          Well, they drive better in Germany than in France, Italy, or Bulgaria (from my personal experience).

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    The E-T16 has 818 hp and torque vectoring.

    That car looks like it was taken from cyberpunk or something

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        Good. The nineties Multipla may have been fugly thing, but it was fun, comfortable, super roomy and still drove like a hot hatch, especially in the upper trims. It’s the family car people should be demanding.

        Integrated into the dash is a hidden display that is invisible when the car is switched off, emphasizing the concept’s back-to-basics ethos.

        There is no car interior design choice I hate more than fold-away screens on the dash. It’s basically the car maker saying “we couldn’t figure out how to make this screen not look like a cheap tacked-on aftermarket peice of shit, so we’ll hide it when you’re not around so it looks good for passers-by but you’ll still need to deal with it”. If Fiat have “solved” that then more power to them.

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          Everyone hating on the multipla have never actually been in one.

          My parents had one when I was a kid and it was the best car they has from a child POV. It was comfortably carrying 2 adults, 3 kids and a dog without an issue.

          The kid that get car sick can sit in the front seat with the gigantic windscreen in front, kids in the back had giant windows as well.

          Every other car felt kind of cramped after the multipla.

          Was it ugly ? Yes, but it was the most comfortable family car.

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          The original one is the only car that made it to both extremes on the top gear cool wall.

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        That’s Italian, and if you’re falling for the Multipla trap again that’s on you.