I do not consider someone Hitler for disagreeing with me, I consider them to be akin to Hitler if they: Support things like: genocide; concentration camps; expansion of the police state; mass surveillance; imperialism; persecution of minorities; the MIC; the slavery complex; and similar causes.
The libs have reached the place where the conservatives were like eight years ago, they’ve finally reached "You loony leftists will call anyone a nazi just for having a difference of opinion.
So basically anyone who works in the United States is Hitler?
Because by working you literally support those things.
I am being somewhat facetious. Y’all are just being self righteous with this spam kind of post. Virtue signaling nonsense to make yourself feel better.
Who is “y’all”. That’s quite the generalisation to make when making such a major accusation.
Anyway this entire conversation is idiotic. When talking about supportting certain things, unavoidable support like being born in a place and thus having to pay taxes was obviously not what was being discussed.
You should probably do some introspection rather than continuing to lash out.
If you don’t want to get dunked on for writing stupid shit , then don’t write stupid shit. If you don’t want to get dunked on by way of semantic pedantry, then don’t be a semantic pedant. And consider changing your username, since you suck at banter
Idk as a lefty with a lot of centrist acquaintances most are actually just brain dead centrists. Not a new manifestation of Hitler, usually those guys are proud about being right leaning.
Just because people don’t want to spend time with you because you’re, well… A Nazi sympathizer, doesn’t mean that excluding people like you from society is a bad thing.
In fact, it is our duty as a society to exclude people like you from society by any means necessary. It just must suck for you that it means people call you things like “Nazi sympathizer” and don’t invite you to parties.
You must be very lonely in your life. And that genuinely makes me happy. Maybe you should reflect on your belief system and how you wanting people like me to not have rights is what is alienating you from others.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is equivalent to the most evil man on earth.
Funny, I seem to recall someone spelling out specifically what the disagreement would have to be about in order to be compared to Hitler, yet here you are saying its everyone. One might come to the conclusion you’re an idiot or you can’t read or that you might not have a functional memory - Like some sort of bot. What else could the explanation be?
I am probably more left than you are, this shit is bad for any movement you support.
I support the “don’t commit a genocide” movement. Keeping genociders out of the movement is a positive. If you support genociders, then you are not leftist.
Anyone currently working for the US military or one of its contractors is either complicit in or actively committing genocide, yeah. That’s not an outrageous thing to believe. One of the only modern American soldiers I can respect is Aaron Bushnell, the air force member who martyred himself in front of the Zionist Entity’s embassy in 2024. That’s the minimum level of awareness I would expect out of anyone participating in Amerikkkan empire.
Anyone of a normal political ideology would seek to make the United States extinct. It’s a country administered by clownish nazi pedophiles and doesn’t deserve to be defended.
Agreed but you don’t go far enough. Every company in America pays taxes and supports it. Don’t try and absolve yourself by narrowing the scope. Even if you work at mom and pops card trading store you are supporting the machine.
Yeah which is why I’m politically active in the hopes of dismantling the machine. I do what I can in spite of me being an Amerikkkan. However if someday a group of Maoist third-worlders were to suddenly take power and deemed me an imperialist or something, I would probably ask for leniency but I’d spiritually understand if they would rather execute me. Like I’m imagining being lined up against the brick wall and being asked if I have any last words and it would probably be like “damn y’all are cool.” My dream would finally have come true: a society where a person like me is executed for being a reactionary.
No you think you are better than a dude who works for bezos because you boycott Harry Potter or some shit. I’m saying you ain’t andor. None of you are andor. That’s all I’m saying.
Evil persists but we have cool circle paint figures to make a paraiah. Good job.
And maybe try to convince your centrist friend he doesn’t like those Hitler light guys. You actually need their stupid votes.
I am begging you people to stop saying words you do not understand. Thats not an ad hominem dumbass. They do not dismiss your argument or tie any quality of character to it, they’re just insulting you.
No they fucking didn’t. Being ingnorant is fine, what makes you fucking loathsome is the arrogant assumption you’re right about things you know nothing about
They do not touch on your argument at all. I am becoming worried for your increasing rate of hallucinations. Consider going outside and decompressing until you are in a calmer emotional state where you can handle people disagreeing with you
Dismissing an argument is not an ad hominem. What an ad hominem is has been explained.
Just because I disagree with you means I must be wrong all the time?
You keep Inventing strawmen. You are wrong all the time because the things you are saying are wrong. For some reason you attach a personal relationship to that.
The argument is that people like you and the person on the left in the comic hide your true beliefs because you know they are vehemently unpopular among pretty much anyone with any sort of decency or a soul. You know what you believe, like trans people shouldn’t get healthcare, immigrants are evil, and the capitalist class should rule. Yet you bury that because if it ever came out to people around you because they would isolate you faster than you could understand.
We all know the argument. You just don’t realize you are the argument.
You don’t know me. I’m actually some of those things you think I hate. You’re just being cruel becuase you thought I made myself a free target for you. I literally disagree with everything you said.
So you believe there are people who just go around saying they are Hitler? They align with Hitler? Does the afd even do that? Musk sig heils and says nope no Nazi here.
Non-americans and criminals pay american taxes too, but don’t get to participate in the ritualistic choosing of which flavor boot steps on their neck. Checkmate. 🤓
(Idk this was a lot funnier in my head as a half baked idea, I can’t compete with this quality meme lol)
Edit: I got it! Thank you for letting me be both an american war criminal and a canadian war criminal 🙏
Facetious is an adjective that means treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor, flippancy, or lightheartedness, or saying something that is not meant to be taken seriously or literally.
My issue with the republican party is not their choice of party color, but their policies. Therefore I have exactly the same issues with the democratic party. Further entrenching it is the worst thing I could do. Especially when the democratic party is also helping the republican party.
Voting unconditionally for any party is high up on the list of “worst political moves” as well, so I’m definitely not going to do that.
no one will vote for the extreme leftist parties. but if we vote for democrats who are in reality moderates, we can at least keep the worst of the rapists, pedophiles, nazis, and Israeli puppets out of government. then we can work on getting rid of democrats.
Republicans (red) are a united party while leftist groups are split between democrats (blue) and true leftists (green). this gives power to Republicans.
If you are too blind to see that… your vote for a party that cannot win in the short term… is just really a vote for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
Are you too stupid to understand a self perpetuating system? Nobody votes for the leftist parties (except the people that do) because of people like you. If you voted for the leftist parties and stopped screaming about how anyone who does is a traitor because they’re not supporting the corporate ghoul of the hour then maybe the system would change eventually. I’ve seen this happen in so many elections. If the same people who were saying this shit back in 2004 had just voted for the candidate with the actual best policies and not whoever was ‘blue’ then maybe politics wouldn’t still be a race to the bottom where the Overton window just shifts as far right as possible every election season.
Okay, I decided to give you another chance and came back to read the rest
but if we vote for democrats who are in reality moderates
wow, you’re the meme. I am afraid of getting an aneurysm from reading the rest of your fascist doublethink “genocide is moderate we have to vote for the democrats so we can get rid of the extreme republicans because they’re doing genocide” line of argument.
Republicans (red) are a united party while leftist groups are split between democrats (blue) and true leftists (green). this gives power to Republicans.
Well, again, (you really seem to struggle with reading what I write, I have to repeat myself quite a lot. Are you okay? Do you have a trusted adult or some sort of DNC botfarm handler you can talk to?), my issue with the republicans is not that they are republican it is their policies, which are similar to the democrats, so one party or the other in power is the same to me. The less power I can give them the better, so I won’t vote for either.
your vote for a party that cannot win in the short term… is just really a vote for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
By your logic a vote for the dems is a vote for the republicans. My vote is apparently what makes the difference between the democrats winning or losing. I will not vote for them. With you knowing that, you voting for democrats is just another vote for republicans, since the democrats won’t win.
Furthermore you seem to be stuck in a weird limbo, oscillating between short and long term thinking - depending on what most benefits your rhetorical position. Voting third party is bad because they won’t win in the short term. We have to vote for democrats, even though that means accepting genocidal fascism in the short torm, due to some undefined long term goal.
If I have to accept the unacceptable (genocide) in the short term anyway, I might as well go for an actually cogent long-term plan that hasn’t been shown to fail - which “vote for the democrats and push them left” and “vote for the democrats AND THEN organize” have been shown to do. Following your strategy we’ve come to a place where, according to you, not committing a genocide is seen as an “extreme leftist position”. Seems like a pretty shit strategy.
I’m going to invest my resources (and my votes) with an actually principled leftist party and use elections as a means of building momentum, while understanding the electoral system is inherently flawed.
It actually isn’t. Not committing genocide is a majority position. Similar to things like not having concentration camps, universal healthcare, not having mass surveillance and so on. These policies are all massively popular. Popularity does not affect likelyhood of something passing into law in the united states, which you would know if you pulled your head out of your ass and investigated the things you claim to care about.
A split vote that doesn’t prevent Republikkkans from winning is a vote of rape, nazis, pedophiles, and genocidal filth.
So, again, my issue with rape, nazis, pedophiles and genocidal filth is not that they are republicans, it is what they are doing. So I also won’t vote for democrats. (You are the meme by the way)
your vote for a party that cannot win in the short term… is just really a vote for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
Kamala couldn’t win in the short term, so if you voted for her, you voted for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
Though it’s fucking stupid to say that not voting for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers is actually voting for them, but literally voting for them in the form of democrats isn’t.
These dudes are pretending they are andor and think that replying their drivel to us is like saving the rebellion. All this while they sit at home on the computer.
I’m not the guy you asked the question to. The answer is fuck both, and the entire country too, lol. In the country’s 250 year history you were only able to keep yourselves from not engaging in war for 20 years.
I’m pretty sure 20 years is an overestimate, and more than half of those years the USA was engaged in violent racialized slavery and indigenous genocide.
I do not consider someone Hitler for disagreeing with me, I consider them to be akin to Hitler if they: Support things like: genocide; concentration camps; expansion of the police state; mass surveillance; imperialism; persecution of minorities; the MIC; the slavery complex; and similar causes.
The libs have reached the place where the conservatives were like eight years ago, they’ve finally reached "You loony leftists will call anyone a nazi just for having a difference of opinion.
To the point of saying we can’t remove nazis because you just call those you dislike nazis
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28808033
So basically anyone who works in the United States is Hitler?
Because by working you literally support those things.
I am being somewhat facetious. Y’all are just being self righteous with this spam kind of post. Virtue signaling nonsense to make yourself feel better.
Straw man nonsense.
I didn’t say we shouldn’t improve things I said this post is at best a circle jerk. Y’all are more alike to the Nazis than you think.
Who is “y’all”. That’s quite the generalisation to make when making such a major accusation.
Anyway this entire conversation is idiotic. When talking about supportting certain things, unavoidable support like being born in a place and thus having to pay taxes was obviously not what was being discussed.
You should probably do some introspection rather than continuing to lash out.
You actually also didnt say that. I think you need to go to the doctor, youre hallucinating
I get it I’m like an upvote factory, I enjoy the retorts friend. Enjoy the free dopamine.
If you don’t want to get dunked on for writing stupid shit , then don’t write stupid shit. If you don’t want to get dunked on by way of semantic pedantry, then don’t be a semantic pedant. And consider changing your username, since you suck at banter
I think those are sticks, not straw
Its a bundle of sticks. Aka a removed.
Please. Let’s unpack that thought. Continue
By gradually normalizing radical hatred and exclusion through repetition and emotional appeals.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is equivalent to the most evil man on earth.
I am probably more left than you are, this shit is bad for any movement you support.
Minus your political support for the torture and extermination of Arabs, of course
It’s okay to hate the people who are doing genocide and slavery and want to kill me, actually, lol.
I couldn’t agree more unless they are promoting genocidal rhetoric, policies, or politicians.
Do you think that the workers should own the means of production?
Of course. Although owning things is just a capitalist thought in its self. Nobody should own anything if we’re going to aim for a utopia.
Sigh, no. Personal property exists under socialism and communism.
Who would have guessed that you’re not as left leaning as you thought?
Hint: literally every person in this thread knew that, lol.
Ownership is not a capitalist thought you fucking dumbass. Just admit you dont know something
“You hate Nazis? Well that makes you a Nazi!”
Saturday morning cartoon brain
As we all know the worst things about nazis was that they had opinions
Idk as a lefty with a lot of centrist acquaintances most are actually just brain dead centrists. Not a new manifestation of Hitler, usually those guys are proud about being right leaning.
“They not like Hitler, they’re more like rank and file Nazis”
Hey Nazi sympathizer…
Just because people don’t want to spend time with you because you’re, well… A Nazi sympathizer, doesn’t mean that excluding people like you from society is a bad thing.
In fact, it is our duty as a society to exclude people like you from society by any means necessary. It just must suck for you that it means people call you things like “Nazi sympathizer” and don’t invite you to parties.
You must be very lonely in your life. And that genuinely makes me happy. Maybe you should reflect on your belief system and how you wanting people like me to not have rights is what is alienating you from others.
Funny, I seem to recall someone spelling out specifically what the disagreement would have to be about in order to be compared to Hitler, yet here you are saying its everyone. One might come to the conclusion you’re an idiot or you can’t read or that you might not have a functional memory - Like some sort of bot. What else could the explanation be?
I support the “don’t commit a genocide” movement. Keeping genociders out of the movement is a positive. If you support genociders, then you are not leftist.
You could have just told us you can’t read instead of wasting everyones time with this (I assume dictated) drivel
This reads like a bot that just goes down the list of tired redditisms.
Anyone currently working for the US military or one of its contractors is either complicit in or actively committing genocide, yeah. That’s not an outrageous thing to believe. One of the only modern American soldiers I can respect is Aaron Bushnell, the air force member who martyred himself in front of the Zionist Entity’s embassy in 2024. That’s the minimum level of awareness I would expect out of anyone participating in Amerikkkan empire.
Anyone of a normal political ideology would seek to make the United States extinct. It’s a country administered by clownish nazi pedophiles and doesn’t deserve to be defended.
Agreed but you don’t go far enough. Every company in America pays taxes and supports it. Don’t try and absolve yourself by narrowing the scope. Even if you work at mom and pops card trading store you are supporting the machine.
Yeah that’s why we support destroying capitalism. What are you not getting here?
Yeah which is why I’m politically active in the hopes of dismantling the machine. I do what I can in spite of me being an Amerikkkan. However if someday a group of Maoist third-worlders were to suddenly take power and deemed me an imperialist or something, I would probably ask for leniency but I’d spiritually understand if they would rather execute me. Like I’m imagining being lined up against the brick wall and being asked if I have any last words and it would probably be like “damn y’all are cool.” My dream would finally have come true: a society where a person like me is executed for being a reactionary.
Ah so you are better than… them. Thanks for confirming your moral superiority. Sorry for trying to ground your ego.
Yes I’m morally superior to soldiers committing genocide. They’re all going to a lower pit of hell than I will.
“You think you’re better than literal Nazis just cause you oppose genocide? That’s pretty arrogant!”
No you think you are better than a dude who works for bezos because you boycott Harry Potter or some shit. I’m saying you ain’t andor. None of you are andor. That’s all I’m saying.
Evil persists but we have cool circle paint figures to make a paraiah. Good job.
And maybe try to convince your centrist friend he doesn’t like those Hitler light guys. You actually need their stupid votes.
“You think you’re better than me just because you don’t actively support genocide? That’s pretty arrogant of you!”
Imagine getting this triggered over a comic calling some undefined person similar to Hitler. What a way to tell on yourself
I am actually morally superior to genociders
You could be on this side of the fence too, if you just had better opinions, lmao.
Found the right-wing dipshit who calls himself a ‘centist’ because his friends don’t reply to his texts anymore if he calls himself right-wing.
Sick ad hominem bro but that’s not on the mark, or maybe it is? Why not focus on the argument itself?
I am begging you people to stop saying words you do not understand. Thats not an ad hominem dumbass. They do not dismiss your argument or tie any quality of character to it, they’re just insulting you.
Yes they did. And it’s still virtue signaling nonsense. Just because you made it on paint with shapes doesn’t mean it’s not slop.
No they fucking didn’t. Being ingnorant is fine, what makes you fucking loathsome is the arrogant assumption you’re right about things you know nothing about
They do not touch on your argument at all. I am becoming worried for your increasing rate of hallucinations. Consider going outside and decompressing until you are in a calmer emotional state where you can handle people disagreeing with you
By not addressing the argument they are dismissing it. Just because I disagree with you means I must be wrong all the time? Get over yourself.
Dismissing an argument is not an ad hominem. What an ad hominem is has been explained.
You keep Inventing strawmen. You are wrong all the time because the things you are saying are wrong. For some reason you attach a personal relationship to that.
I wish you Reddit losers would actually learn what “ad-hominem” means rather than treating it like a magical debate incantation.
The argument is that people like you and the person on the left in the comic hide your true beliefs because you know they are vehemently unpopular among pretty much anyone with any sort of decency or a soul. You know what you believe, like trans people shouldn’t get healthcare, immigrants are evil, and the capitalist class should rule. Yet you bury that because if it ever came out to people around you because they would isolate you faster than you could understand.
We all know the argument. You just don’t realize you are the argument.
Wrong.
You don’t know me. I’m actually some of those things you think I hate. You’re just being cruel becuase you thought I made myself a free target for you. I literally disagree with everything you said.
the argument is about filth who support evil.
Do you mean by paying taxes or something like that?
Lol. Pretty low bar to clear and you think it’s virtue signalling?
It’s virtue signaling because it’s a low bar. This is ridiculous right now.
You’re dunking on a 3 foot basket.
Right and there are still tons of people playing defense for the dems trying to defend these policies.
Idk man, you know what my point is by now or there isn’t a point in trying.
This non ai slop is still slop.
I know what your point is, I just disagree lol.
Right wing educated idiots makes dunking on 3ft baskets really easy. You basically put the ball in the basket for us.
I’m telling you that the person in the comic doesn’t exist not that I agree with him. Don’t crash out on me becuase you can’t read dude.
The ironic reality that you are the person in the comic is beyond you.
Incredibly funny bit to write this and then go on to complain about strawmanning
The whole post is a straw man too man idk what to tell you.
Its not, you just decided it was about you and got mad.
Quite telling, considering the post is about people who claim not to be similar to Hitler only to show themselves to share his sympathies.
Anyway you could tell me your name, adress, SSN, mothers maiden name and the numbers on your credit card
So you believe there are people who just go around saying they are Hitler? They align with Hitler? Does the afd even do that? Musk sig heils and says nope no Nazi here.
This comic person doesn’t exist, it’s just slop.
Protip: Memes aren’t literal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtext
Lrn 2 read stoopid
Slammer tier 10/10
Non-americans and criminals pay american taxes too, but don’t get to participate in the ritualistic choosing of which flavor boot steps on their neck. Checkmate. 🤓
(Idk this was a lot funnier in my head as a half baked idea, I can’t compete with this quality meme lol)
Edit: I got it! Thank you for letting me be both an american war criminal and a canadian war criminal 🙏
Facetious is an adjective that means treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor, flippancy, or lightheartedness, or saying something that is not meant to be taken seriously or literally.
And I’m being completly serious. Drowning the world in blood for burgers and coke is hitlerite behaviour
Go back to Reddit you cringy dork
so you are against both the American Nazi party (it actually exists and Republicans fund then) as well as the Israeli supporters?
Sure. I also hate MAGA, which gets funding from the democratic party [2] [3] [4] and I hate ICE and their concentration camps which were expanded by Democrats as well. [2]
so vote blue till all red are gone. then vote green till the rest are gone.
orrrrrrr… you could stop supporting the imperialists and genocidists. But then you wouldn’t be represented in the meme.
Sounds like blue has a vested interest in keeping red around.
“Just keep doing the same thing that hasn’t worked for 200 years”
It’s been working great for the capitalists. They just made a trillionaire!
“I boil politics down to team colors. I am very smart.”
My issue with the republican party is not their choice of party color, but their policies. Therefore I have exactly the same issues with the democratic party. Further entrenching it is the worst thing I could do. Especially when the democratic party is also helping the republican party.
Voting unconditionally for any party is high up on the list of “worst political moves” as well, so I’m definitely not going to do that.
no one will vote for the extreme leftist parties. but if we vote for democrats who are in reality moderates, we can at least keep the worst of the rapists, pedophiles, nazis, and Israeli puppets out of government. then we can work on getting rid of democrats.
Republicans (red) are a united party while leftist groups are split between democrats (blue) and true leftists (green). this gives power to Republicans.
If you are too blind to see that… your vote for a party that cannot win in the short term… is just really a vote for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
Are you too stupid to understand a self perpetuating system? Nobody votes for the leftist parties (except the people that do) because of people like you. If you voted for the leftist parties and stopped screaming about how anyone who does is a traitor because they’re not supporting the corporate ghoul of the hour then maybe the system would change eventually. I’ve seen this happen in so many elections. If the same people who were saying this shit back in 2004 had just voted for the candidate with the actual best policies and not whoever was ‘blue’ then maybe politics wouldn’t still be a race to the bottom where the Overton window just shifts as far right as possible every election season.
We don’t intend to achieve power through elections
Okay, I decided to give you another chance and came back to read the rest
wow, you’re the meme. I am afraid of getting an aneurysm from reading the rest of your fascist doublethink “genocide is moderate we have to vote for the democrats so we can get rid of the extreme republicans because they’re doing genocide” line of argument.
Well, again, (you really seem to struggle with reading what I write, I have to repeat myself quite a lot. Are you okay? Do you have a trusted adult or some sort of DNC botfarm handler you can talk to?), my issue with the republicans is not that they are republican it is their policies, which are similar to the democrats, so one party or the other in power is the same to me. The less power I can give them the better, so I won’t vote for either.
By your logic a vote for the dems is a vote for the republicans. My vote is apparently what makes the difference between the democrats winning or losing. I will not vote for them. With you knowing that, you voting for democrats is just another vote for republicans, since the democrats won’t win.
Furthermore you seem to be stuck in a weird limbo, oscillating between short and long term thinking - depending on what most benefits your rhetorical position. Voting third party is bad because they won’t win in the short term. We have to vote for democrats, even though that means accepting genocidal fascism in the short torm, due to some undefined long term goal.
If I have to accept the unacceptable (genocide) in the short term anyway, I might as well go for an actually cogent long-term plan that hasn’t been shown to fail - which “vote for the democrats and push them left” and “vote for the democrats AND THEN organize” have been shown to do. Following your strategy we’ve come to a place where, according to you, not committing a genocide is seen as an “extreme leftist position”. Seems like a pretty shit strategy.
I’m going to invest my resources (and my votes) with an actually principled leftist party and use elections as a means of building momentum, while understanding the electoral system is inherently flawed.
Judging by the fact that democrats lost to trump twice, they’re not voting for them either, lmao.
Blah blah blah you think “dont commit genocide” is an extreme leftist position, so I won’t waste my time reading the rest of your wordsalad
in America it is an extremely leftist position in politics.
but I guess you are on ostrich and can’t see that as your head is buried in the sand.
A split vote that doesn’t prevent Republikkkans from winning is a vote of rape, nazis, pedophiles, and genocidal filth.
but I wouldn’t expect a moron to understand that. people like you are why nazis walk free in this shithole.
It actually isn’t. Not committing genocide is a majority position. Similar to things like not having concentration camps, universal healthcare, not having mass surveillance and so on. These policies are all massively popular. Popularity does not affect likelyhood of something passing into law in the united states, which you would know if you pulled your head out of your ass and investigated the things you claim to care about.
So, again, my issue with rape, nazis, pedophiles and genocidal filth is not that they are republicans, it is what they are doing. So I also won’t vote for democrats. (You are the meme by the way)
People like you are why genocide is accepted as a bipartisan position.
You are literally advocating for literally voting for literal rape, nazis, pedophiles, and genocidal filth.
“exterminating entire races is actually moderate”
Kamala couldn’t win in the short term, so if you voted for her, you voted for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers.
Though it’s fucking stupid to say that not voting for nazis, pedophiles, rapists, and genocide lovers is actually voting for them, but literally voting for them in the form of democrats isn’t.
These dudes are pretending they are andor and think that replying their drivel to us is like saving the rebellion. All this while they sit at home on the computer.
Of course you’d think everyone views politics through the lens of pop culture slop.
“I boil down politics to Star Wars series. I am very smart.”
You know America is the empire in any Star wars analogy? Food for thought!
I haven’t seen your shitty star wars show btw, the entire franchise can be explained as: two and a half good movies.
What answer are you expecting with this question? Do you think it’s a gotcha, lol?
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I’m not the guy you asked the question to. The answer is fuck both, and the entire country too, lol. In the country’s 250 year history you were only able to keep yourselves from not engaging in war for 20 years.
I’m pretty sure 20 years is an overestimate, and more than half of those years the USA was engaged in violent racialized slavery and indigenous genocide.
Great point! Plus all the covert and classified death and destruction we’ll never know about.
Go back to Reddit you insufferable fucking dork