• plyth@feddit.org
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    17 hours ago

    Remember who pays the taxes and who else controls the government. It would be better for the middle class if they would pool part of their income on their own and be able to decide what is financed with it.

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    I recall a Reagan era quote about a government small enough to drown in a bathtub but a military big enough to put lasers in space.

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    Except “small government” is the same size it just funnels money to military contractors and debt for wealthy peoples tax cuts

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      A large chunk of American citizens fall for the libertarian and “small gov” pandered lies, every single time.

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      Sometimes I think about all of the lies I was told as a kid like “on one side people want to pay less taxes, and on the other people are willing to pay more to help others” when really it’s “cut programs that help people, pay more taxes unless you’re so rich it doesn’t matter, and actively commit as many evils as you can think of, or alternatively don’t do all that.” Like, there’s supposed to be a silver lining no matter which side wins. But no, all bad all the way down and the benefits that motivated the boomers in my life to cause this terror aren’t even happening. Weren’t groceries supposed to get cheaper or something to help the facism go down?

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        We only get grocery price breaks for NEW fascism. What we have here is the same old fascism so sorry no breaks.

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      The small government is actually bigger, deficit is only increasing the more time GOP stays in power and was only balanced under DNC POTUS Bill Clinton.

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    Should be “fuck the 99%”.

    The “middle class” doesn’t think they are poor so this message will fall flat on them. In fact they might support it, because then they get to kick down on someone.

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      Even the working-poor conservatives who have to put in 60+ hours a week for minimum wage just to pay for their shitty single-wide have been brainwashed to believe that they’re “prosperous” simply for being white americans, and that being one medical bill away from literal homelessness is actually “patriotism.”

      So yeah, the only way we break this infernal spell cast by ancient liches and necromancers is to point at the liches and necromancers hiding behind the curtain. This is populism, this is class consciousness and this is unifying against the actual enemies of our country.

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          Sorry, I may have misunderstood that. What you meant was they ARE part of the 99% but they don’t consider themselves that way, correct?

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        The middle-class makes up the US’s “breadbasket” of political capital, they are the ones with homes, money and credit cards and they are the fatty, crispy pork-back that every oligarch and political leader eye with hunger. They are largely liberal and largely out-of-touch and vote with completely tuned-out ambivalence on most issues. (Read up on exit polling for the 2024 election, it’s WILD how people made their decisions and how little they actually understood about the election and candidates.)

        The user above is saying that the meme should be pointing out that this 99% (approximately) are the ones who should be alerted to the fact that they’re being fleeced, not just people below the poverty line. People view “the poor” as dirty hobos, not people who work 7 days a week.

        This ENTIRE political WWE theater we’re subjected to with right-versus-left has been fabricated to keep people distracted and occupied so they don’t notice the liches and necromancers pulling society’s strings in the background. We need to do better to turn this into a class-war and not a fight over trying to yell at conservatives for being ideologically inconsistent. Some fights you can win, some you can’t.

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        If we’re going by the historical use of the term, yes.

        At the beginning of the early modern period, you had two classes: peasants and aristocrats. You were born into your class and that was that. But early industrialization lead to a funny thing; people who were born peasants, yet through owning things like mines or factories, had amassed enough wealth to rival (and sometimes surpass) the aristocracy. Aristocrats derisively refereed to these wealthy peasants as “The Middle Class”.

        If you were to show an aristocrat our present world, they’d tell you we’re ruled by their middle class.

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          At the beginning of the early modern period, you had two classes: peasants and aristocrats.

          IDK, I think that’s a bit of an oversimplification. Not everyone was either an aristocrat or a peasant, there were also tradespeople, craftsmen, innkeepers, merchants, traders, bankers, and of course the clergy (who would often wield enormous power themselves, even over the aristocrats, because they generally had to give their blessing to whatever the rulers decided to do).

          None of these really fit neatly into the peasant/aristocrat dichotomy (except perhaps for the clergy), but I suppose one could lump the rest of them all in together and call them middle class (or townsfolk). Not all of them were rich, of course (in fact, many were probably not), but some of them did quite well for themselves.

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            Clergy is the one I would say most breaks the dichotomy.

            All the others listed still lack the title and privileges that come with nobility. There is some nuance I skipped over: different laws for urban citizens vs rural peasants. But a peasant could become an urban citizen by fleeing their land and living in a city for a year and a day, after which their former lord could no longer claim them.

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    What’s needed is to simplify the government to the point that people can actually understand what it does.

    It’s overcomplicated, the laws are written in arcane gibberish that nobody really sees through (if you haven’t studied the laws for 20 years at least), there’s bureaucracy hell, things need to be simpler. that does not mean less government, i.e. handouts should still be paid, but it should happen in a predictable, simple way.

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      “Things are too big! They should be smaller!” is this weird rhetorical phrasing that mostly just ends in Eugenics apologia.

      “Fewer this! Smaller that!” is just a dog whistle for shrinking the number of people.

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        Except generally speaking… those far right small government types are actually very concerned with increasing the number of people of their own race… hence why abortion, birth control etc… are what they fight against.

        They just dont’ care about feeding or keeping those people comfortable, they want them toiling away for scraps.

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          those far right small government types are actually very concerned with increasing the number of people of their own race

          Sure. Via Leuberstraum. Exterminating the native neighboring populations to make space for settlers.