A lot of people don’t know they are supposed to make the world better. A lot know but don’t know how to. Still others know but don’t have the capacity left after just surviving. But there is a significant subset who knows and don’t care, they just chase more dollarbucks.

have come to a state of learned helplessness

I think it’s the reverse. The problems you talk about are too large and abstract for most people. They worry about more important things such as the new Taylor Swift album.

I think most ppl do want to make the world a better place, but most ppl give up very easily, because they have urgent personal matters to deal with as well. Most think often about how they can help fixing the world, but they can only do so much every day, so they are like “It’s a shame I can only use rechargable batteries and plant wild flowers for the bees, but my taxes aren’t gonna file themselves.”

For the longest time, I could have written out these thoughts of yours almost verbatim myself. I hear you, and I believe I know that pain very well.

I’ve recently clawed my way out of that mindset, mostly. A total, unrelated stranger on the Internet now suggests you try the same, for your own mental health and The Greater Good™ alike. I’ll share my own story instead of preaching to the choir, with the faint hope of giving faint hope that there at least exists a way out of this mental mess you’re in.

I was almost afraid of being thought of as naïve, considered it a weakness to not show. Cynicism was my shield. Nevertheless I always went and still go out of my way to be a “good guy”, in the most inconsequential ways. Don’t picture the ranting, vitriolic uncle here nobody wants to be with in the same room, I kept this negativity pretty much to myself and only let it out in controlled drips of sarcastic jokes. I, too, was convinced that humanity surely is doomed, if only for it’s insufferable ignorance, and by extension do whatever I can to support those precious few who I deemed as “not lost” in all the ways I could. Voluntary extinction of humans seemed like a pretty swell concept, overall.

I did organize convention security of Eurofurence for more than a decade, going from ~150 to thousands of attendees. All staff are unpaid volunteers. I just recently realized how the “staff side” of the convention is a practical, well-working example of a practically anarchistic collective organisation (yes, security, too) managing a metric shit-ton of complex stuff just for a few thousand fellow furry queers to have fun for a week, and paying €1000+ and PTO for the privilege to boot. You may rightly assume I have seen a fair shit of crazy stuff, first hand, but violence, hate, or even just ignorance? I can count those on one paw, over all these years combined. Even trouble with “outsiders” in Berlin Mitte clashing with the colorful crowd was very limited and ultimately civil.

It took me this long to reflect how this personal experience is NOT a glitch in the Matrix, but actually the “resting state” of human consciousness. People are, in an exceeding majority, “good”. I cannot ignore a decade of first-hand (anecdotal, granted) experience and further tell the lie of “people are ignorant, assholes, or both”. They are not. People are however, broken. Like me. Possibly, like you. By “truths” about “reality as it is”, colported by profiteers of misery or other broken souls trying to dilute their pain by finding, nay, creating company to normalize their struggle and feel a tiny bit better. Not out of spite or hate, mind you, but to soothe themselves and survive in a world that is perceived as harsh, uncaring, and downright belligerent. Which it is, for many out there. But it is not “the world” we are up against— the hedgehogs dozing off in the pile of autumn leaves didn’t raise your rent last week. Neither did your neighbor, or the Mexican lady three cities over making ends meet. Why can’t “they” see that and do something? Likely the same reason why I can’t do a lot of things, I lack the energy. Instead of being on the streets or organizing a local repair cafe, I’m typing a stream of consciousness into the void on the Internet. Whoop-de-doh! I’m such a revolutionary! Welp, there’s the sarcasm again. :)

If you’re wondering how to pay for your damn food, shelter, and medicine tomorrow all day, every day, you literally cannot concern yourself with a long-term solution. You are eternally stuck in stopping the bleeding, and cannot focus on the guy stabbing you over and over again. It is too late, you’d bleed out if you shift focus now.

“You keep them dumb, I’ll keep them poor.” said the King to the Pope. And then propagandize this status quo as the only way to survive, with no alternative, and your survival is constantly at risk from… well… whatever threat we can conjure up.

So. If one agrees, at least roughly, with this (gesticulated wildly) being our shared reality, we have also established that people are, by a large margin, victims in need of help, but afraid to ask for it. This is why I follow the guideline of unconditionally offering help in whatever way I can.

There is no shortage of need for any kind of assistance or help in the world. It’s a seller’s market for positivity and aid out there, and it’s up to you to set the price as low as you can.

No effort in that direction is ever “wasted”, as some want you to believe. For every beneficial action you take, no matter how tiny, is a SHITLOAD of eager and needing recipients. Plucking the candy wrapper from the ground? Pointless, right? Surely inconsequential. Not when scaled up by the thousands. Smile at people, just because you are going to interact with them, and set the vibe. It’s ridiculous how many people are visibly starved for a sliver of positive, human interaction, particularly in retail jobs, for obvious reasons.

Once I began actively looking for the effects of my “inconsequential” actions, I realized that the opposite is true. The act of giving freely, unconditionally, and convincingly is the only way to reach those in need who are convinced they don’t deserve anything, or nothing would help them, anyway. It’s difficult to target aid, hence the 'obvious" pointlessness of it all, but an indiscriminate shotgun approach definitely, eventually hits some of the good people, you just won’t notice it right away. For them, however, any bit of empowerment is very real and sorely needed. Do not underestimate the power of decentralized action, it isn’t limited to Lemmy. :)

If you stop anyone’s bleeding for a moment, they may muster up the energy and focus one day, to give the stabby guy a little push. And take a figurative breather, for the first time in years. And then use that new-found strength to maybe, eventually, throw a punch.

I decided to be a part of that avalanche, from my very privileged position, instead of betraying myself and what I desire to be, in order to feel “normal” and be part of a “normal society” that doesn’t actually exist in the callous form so many claim it to “just be”. Fuck 'em if someone considers me naïve for believing in the possibility of creating a net positive with my life, even if we’re on a doomed ride into oblivion. At least enjoy the view, then, you’ve got nothing to lose but your prejudice.

Okay, I’m done, this is getting ridiculous.

TL;DR: Don’t give up, so many more people are “good”, every action has consequences, even if unseen.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I know there are many people feeling similar. And I have some thoughts that help me not to give up hope.

1. change doesn’t come fast, it’s growing slowly under the actions small or big of people who want it.
2. there are likeminded people in the world. We are not the majority but we are not alone
3. there is no alternative to aim for a better, healthier world. Even if it looks dark, giving up is not an option
4. go on your own pace. Small steps can make the difference. Don’t expect major changes. Revolutions happen once in 100 years, even less I guess.
5. find at least one or two friends or comrades who share your values. Join a union or a political movement, try to engage and find your place.

If you want to improve things you can’t wait around for a good moment or depend on the involvement of the depoliticized and hopeless to join in. You can just do things. There are other people doing things, too and you can find them. The change you make can inspire some others too, but the disaffected will always be frustrating to see and deal with. There will always be more to do but the thing is to keep trying to move toward the ideal even if it’s just by inches and there’s miles to go, it’s the long haul

This is a remarkable amount of main character syndrome, frankly. It doesn’t read like excess empathy to me, it reads like privilege.

You’re not saving the world. You’ll never be saving the world. Your contribution either way is irrelevant. The big problems that you are frustrated about are about mass incentives, big numbers and geopolitics, not about people coming together for the common good because they care so much. It’s not naïveté, it’s arrogance. You get to vote on the big overall direction and, if you have the time, resources and disposition, to collaborate in activism with millions of others, assuming enough of them agree with you.

The small stuff? The “I could do this marginally better for mine or someone else’s sake”? That’s worth it. That you can do yourself. It still works on the same set of incentives and dynamics, but if it’s something you personally can do to make something marginally better for someone, then… you know… go ahead? It’s just much more valuable to do it in your own life than to get frustrated by someone else who you think should do it. Because, again, you aren’t that important. Nobody is waiting for your command or judgement unless you’re supposed to be giving it for some reason.

And let me be clear, I’m not mad about this. I’m not outraged at your worldview or anything. It’s just that, honestly, in good faith, I think this sense of despair at everybody else refusing to fix things by acting as a hive mind with your same set of values and priorities is not a problem of ethics as much as a problem of narcissism and an inflated sense of one’s own impact, and both that individual and their surroundings are better served by understanding the actual scale of their agency. Because… you know, that way you don’t get discouraged when it comes to doing the small things you can do on the large scale, like voting or protesting, and you don’t get angry about doing the big things you can do in the small scale, like not being an asshole or being too deflated to actually act in the spaces you control.

So no hard feelings but this is a get over yourself moment. In a constructive, positive, agency-filled, collaborative, collective action-driven way.

People don’t and won’t care until more their more immediate and drastic problems will be resolved. I’m happy for you, you’re not too empathetic, you’re simply privileged enough to care about such things. Meanwhile people who have no civil rights see vegans as class traitors, people being bombed would roll their eyes 360° at a mention of fighting light pollution, etc etc.

Activists of the privileged world. Your preaching audience is forever limited to about half of the population more privileged than you. If you want others to care about what you consider problems, SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS FIRST.

(steps off a soapbox to use it as a makeshift shield)

Your definition of better is not the only definition of better. Lots of people have different beliefs about what would make the world better, getting angry or depressed because people don’t agree with your specific view is childish. Dismissing everyone else as wrong is also childish.

You really need to reevaluate the impact you can actually have and make peace with it’s limits. You aren’t going to change great societal problems by yourself.

At work, I listen to a coworker frustrated about a simple problem. It would be a simple change to make this person’s job much less painful, but he “just works here”. It’s just such a dumb problem to waste hours of someone’s life on.

This person is aware that the only reward for fixing the problem is more work. He’s still going to work the same hours with the same pay.

I want you to know that I feel incredibly seen and validated by this post.

I’ve never had the chance to meet people like you in real life, so I’ve had to hold on to the few instances in which I’ve seen my feelings reflected in media. The one instance I keep coming back to is How To Be Hopeless by Carlos Maza. It’s an absolute masterpiece of a video essay, written from the depths of the personal and existential despair of a man who dedicated his adult life to fighting far-right extremism, and was rewarded with the end of his professional career and the victory of his serial harasser. Its message has become a core part of who I am now, and when I experience the kind of despair you’re describing, I return to it. It’s saved my life before. I cannot recommend it to you strongly enough.

Your coworker is reaching out to you in his own way, and you are making his life more bearable than you may know. What seems a little bump in the road may be a mountain to him. But life’s a marathon, and he might come around yet.

I wouldn’t necessarily say people don’t care. I don’t think they have the capacity to care. I think there’s so much going on in their lives and right in front of their faces that they can’t even see what’s happening.

That doesn’t make the solution any better though…

However, there are things within people’s control that doesn’t change. At work, I listen to a coworker frustrated about a simple problem. It would be a simple change to make this person’s job much less painful, but he “just works here”. It’s just such a dumb problem to waste hours of someone’s life on.

Does solving that problem threaten their access to food and housing? Capitalism doesn’t care about negotiating the most profitable deals, it cares about maintaining power dynamics, so the company cares more about keeping employees in a servant role than improving their bottom line, so employees are often unable to make their life better without threatening their own livelihood and those of their colleagues.

Capitalism has existed alongside people with good intentions for centuries now. It has many ways of bending kindness into accumulation of power for the rich. Helping people out means people will be less likely to riot when social services get cut, so the rich are more likely to cut social services and lower taxes. So it takes almost no work at all for the system to turn charity into a wealth transfer from the charitable to the rich.

If you want to improve the world, you have to be clever about it. You have to choose things that the rich can’t just leverage into exploitation - things that they would pay to get rid of, not things they would pay to exist. Mutual aid networks, labor unions and other unions, exchange of anarchist ideas and skills, blockades and sabotage, decreasing the number of hours people work at things capitalists would have paid for them to do, etc.

There are people who are cynical to a fault, who have more faith in capitalism’s ability to exploit you than your ability to circumvent undermine it. But realistic cynical skepticism is warranted, and you need to be careful that your good intentions actually produce good outcomes.

I think a lot of it is people are struggling to just survive. Barely making ends meet, putting food on their own table and a roof over their head. There are probably many people that wish they could do more, but don’t have the time or resources to do anything more.