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    I feel like people with the “kindness is weak! Dog eat dog” attitude have this distorted vision of human nature where if you removed all of the societal constraints, people would just start opportunistically killing each other. Empathy is the reason we didn’t go extinct at the peak of the afro/eurasian bottleneck when we numbered less than 2,000 individuals. Sure, we find neolithic mass graves with skulls piled upon skulls. Cracked limbs, gnawed bones, maimed hands, you name it. All kinds of cruelty.

    But if human nature is entirely self-serving, why do we find evidence of aincent surgeries? Of healed femur marrow, removed parasites, and makeshift stints? Why do we see marked burial sites made for individuals who aren’t necessarily even related? Wouldn’t it serve you better to let your competitors die? Empathy was * literally* a prerequisite for the emergence of civilization. It was “let’s stick together, and make a better future for everyone” not “hey, let’s fly this guy to Mars so he doesn’t die”

    But you know what. I’m sure the hebephilic misanthrope will do a wonderful job improving the human condition with AI generated child pornography, and over priced cars.

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      I have read that domestication of horses was an inflection point for the economics and violence in the bronze age societies. A horse makes raiding distant villages a possibility as a horse can outrun humans. These tribal raids turn into organised warfare to the extent that steppe cultures had one of the first cities to be built with fortifications. And all of this happened only the last 5000 years ago.

      The history of violence isn’t as old as it’s claimed to be and it is definitely not innate but something we discovered on the way. I am also not trying to argue that all humans aren’t violent but maybe the steppe people are. You find various examples of guest-host relationships in steppe cultures. Even the word guest and host etymologically traces its roots to Proto Indo European, the language of steppe nomads!

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      They are. Humans are social creatures, the survival of our species depended on the success of group work. A single human can’t survive on their own, and so you need to be a part of a collective that’s organized by a social hierarchy that divides people up into small roles achievable by individuals. In the primitive days of our species, all the tasks were dangerous and difficult, and so we evolved empathy as a way to minimize losses and ensure maximum cooperation. If our ancestors didn’t have empathy or compassion, we would’ve died out a long time ago because nobody would’ve stepped in take care of the injured, elderly, young children, or women during child labor.

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      I would agree (not an evolutionary biologist). Game theory at the end of the day ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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    Those white-power exceptionalism fruitcakes basically want back both isolationism and fascist, racist homogeneity where they want to wake up one day they see only white people and would give only to other white people.

    And fuck you Musk.

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      The thing is that there was never point in American history where any of these things were true. These dingleberries are talking about a time that didn’t exist.

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    For a site that seems so ready for an American civil war there seems to be a pretty big effort of pushing away people who can actually fight.

    EDIT: down vote me all you want. But owning a gun is not enough if you do not know how to clear a room or set up a effect defense or how to run any logistic system. Plus, its not like there are no leftists in the military in fact one of the best podcasts right now is hosted by a liberal combat vet.

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    People are slamming this cartoon, but it is highlighting the past foreign policy stance of displaying Soft Power, which is a positive long-term objective to help rehabilitate America’s image as militaristic.

    But these dumb MAGA Apes think that’s for pussies, and it’s more fun to beat others into submission, undoing decades of any positive forward progress.

    One of the reasons that the rest of the world hates us is because while we claim that we aren’t all really as bad as MAGA, it rings hollow because we didn’t do anything to avoid the MAGA threat a second time. Imagine what we would have thought if they had let Hitler escape punishment, and then regain power a few years later? Right now, that’s what we look like to the rest of the world, and rightfully so.

    If we ever want to restore any respect to this country, we will have to deal with MAGA decisively before this can be over. The rest of the world, and our own country, needs that.

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      That is a concept I struggle with, although I totally agree with you. But how do eliminate MAGA without resorting to fascism yourself? To be clear, MAGA needs to be eliminated. Just don’t know how.

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        MAGA thrives because there’s nothing in place to hold them accountable.

        These people only understand violence and intimidation. Things like institutional power and limits mean nothing to them. This is why they ignore the courts, the constitution, the law, international organizations, national agencies, and so on. To them, democracy, rule of law, checks and balances aren’t principles to live by and uphold, to them they’re obstacles to absolute power. That’s why they seethe when an institution works as intended and cheer when they get a corrupt one to manipulate.

        If we had true accountability, they would never see the light of day. Opposition in a democracy is a chain that goes from the bottom, and all the links need to work together as one. It goes something like this:

        1. It starts with the people. The people need to believe in democracy in order to act, because democracy doesn’t work when people aren’t actively involved in government.
        2. When the people are involved, they need to create groups that organize resistance movements. These movements need to be very principled, have specific demands, and have specific targets/goals in order to mobilize people.
        3. Once the people are mobilized, they carry out strikes, protests, demonstrations, and other acts of civil disobedience in order to apply pressure on the media and other NGOs as well as local and state politicians to act on their behalf.
        4. The local and state politicians on board will then apply pressure on their national representatives, and the ones that don’t will be voted out and replaced. Same for goes for media and other orgs, if they’re not on board then they will be boycotted.
        5. Likewise, the national representatives on board will apply pressure on their colleagues to act, and the ones who don’t need to be replaced.
        6. Once you have a majority of the national representatives feeling genuine fear of losing their jobs or otherwise from the public, then they will start acting accordingly in order to save their own asses. They will turn to the law, the courts, institutions, and checks balances to do their jobs.

        During every step, it is absolutely crucial that standards are clearly defined and upheld. If the people see bad actors in their midst, they need to call them out. If one of their own commits a crime, then they need to be condemned and kicked out. If a local, state, or national politician is defying the people, they need to be voted out. If they broke the law then they need to face consequences. If they defy the law, then the people needs to send those specific individuals a message that they are not untouchable. That’s how democracy is supposed to work. Each generations has to actively work to defend it and ensure that the next generation does the same.

        So when the next time a MAGA like group forms and tries to take power, they’re shutdown at every avenue. They’re rejected by the people, the opposition, the states, the courts, the media, non profits, celebrities, and even their own party. Anyone who endorses such groups needs to ostracized and the leaders of the next MAGA like group need to be jailed if they attempt to undermine democracy or the law.

        This what needs to happen now, but unfortunately the people just don’t care. Society’s apathy is what sleep walked us into fascism, and we need to wake up if we want to get rid of it.

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        Tolerance is a social contract. Those who would not grant it to others are not protected by it.

        We don’t have to tolerate the intolerant.

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        They are a proven, unapologetic, and ongoing National Security Threat, who have openly, demonstrably engaged in treason, sedition, insurrection, terrorism, extortion, espionage, corruption, pedophilia, murder, and more. We have all seen numerous examples of every one of those crimes.

        All politicians take an oath to protect America from national security threats, foreign or domestic, and MAGA definitely falls under the category of domestic threat. Why shouldn’t an organization like that be prohibited from existing, recruiting, and promoting?

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          I don’t disagree. But I am talking about the millions of mouth breathers that lap up everything that guy spills. The voters. Do we just round ‘em up?

          Reconstruction is going to be painful.

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      There will always be people like you who will always find something to complain about. This comic is clearly not meant to appease you. I doubt anything remotely positive about America will. This comic is meant to remind Americans that country’s strength comes from it’s soft power, and empathy driven soft power is not a weakness like idiots like Rogan and Musk seem to think. Americans need to reject this mentality and strive for greater empathy in their society, not less.

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    The strip stops working when it shows Joe Rogan with a surprised face instead of mindlessly agreeing with whatever corporate grifter he has in front of him at any given moment.

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      Nothing is funnier than seeing ML losers crying at the sight of a meme trying to positively remind Americans that empathy is a strength, not a weakness.

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      It’s not. Americans need to be understand what makes their country great and what doesn’t. Empathy is one of the things that makes the country great, it’s not a weakness.

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        Lol shut up, considering the instance you’re from, you probably think that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is justified or that it’s NATO’s fault

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    lol those are some pretty bizarre examples of empathy. Whoever drew this is living in la-la land. delulu

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      These are decent examples. USAID was one of the greatest things in the world. It provided relief for millions of people and saved countless lives. It was one of the primer aspects of American soft power due to the positive affects it had. The US was also helping Ukraine defend freedoms, it’s people, and it’s sovereignty from a genocidal invasion from it’s fascist neighbor which polls showed, skyrocketed America’s image across the globe until Trump took over. Likewise, the VA, while not a great institution by any means, is still an example of the country giving help to the people that fought for it. The point isn’t to wash over the flaws, but demonstrate America strength comes from empathy, it’s not a weakness.

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      I’m aware that the role of the US on the international stage is often not that of the good guys, but I’m not sure how you could argue that USAID and taking care of injured veterans are not examples of empathy.

      Keep in mind that there are voters in the US who think that we should take care of our veterans, but somehow agree with Musk when he says empathy is bad. I think it’s important to show those people some examples of empathy that they would support.

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        The left in the US is broadly so “america bad” that they’ve thrown away their only shred of actual political capital, nationalism, which can well be expressed through desire to actually make America less bad and have a country worth having pride in.

        I know we’re pretty far from a country that anyone with half a brain can feel pride in, but our bigger problem is that the bulk of the population has less than half a brain so we need to work within their worldviews.

        As long as the left can’t stop lecturing and shaming, we’re going to keep losing ground to people who know how to validate and appease liberal sensibilities.

        edit: cry harder, you threw away the flag and America’s actual political capital: the midwit working class liberal masses, they look at you burning the flag that keeps them comfortable, then look at the right-wing nutfucks praying to the flag that keeps them comfortable and says “Hmn, I think I know who has my back.” You have legitimate reasons to hate America, but as Americans we have the responsibility to figure out how to push the country towards a better future. We haven’t done that in a remotely intelligent way. Again, look at what the current state of things are. We are fighting for a country nobody believes we even want. What power is there in that? You kids need to understand power on a much more practical and realistic level.

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          imagine looking at all the shit your country has done (way before trump too) and blaming the left for it

          you can’t make this shit up

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            If you take that kind of persecution complex away from this conversation instead of realizing that we need to rethink our approach and work on finding actual political power, you do deserve all the blame.

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              well maybe I have a persecution complex because my country was literally mentioned by your orange ass after Venezuela’s invasion

              but thanks for blaming me a mexican living next to the new nazis I guess it is pretty spot on for a US citizen to assume what everyone else needs to do

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                Get the chip off your shoulder when talking to adults, I hope the country I live in but don’t represent manages to get its shit together and they don’t do the bad things they want to do to you. You need to understand who your friends and enemies are here. I won’t see a reply, take a walk and blow off some steam.

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      They’ll ramp up their cringy “good guy USA, remember when we were amazing examples of empathy and world aid?” material.

      Their current events have made their image even worse, but their entire culture is based around this illusion of being a shield for the world, so they’ll ramp up cringe production to try and save it.

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        America throughout it’s history was indeed an amazing example of both cruelty and empathy. America had slavery, but it also fought it’s bloodiest war to free them. It had segregation, but it also had the most iconic civil rights movement in modern history. It invaded many countries, but it also liberated many countries. It had used it’s military power for bad, but it also used it to bring about the global order of free trade and globalism which ushered in the most prosperous time in human history. It had anti-intellectual movements, but it also put people on the moon.

        Remembering the positive moments in American history is not “cringe”, that’s such a idiotic line of logic. It’s a reminder that the country should strive to be more positive, more empathetic, more understanding. That’s how societies evolve, and America should rightfully go down the path of bettering itself.

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        They’ll ramp up their cringy “good guy USA, remember when we were amazing examples of empathy and world aid?” material.

        Who is the “they” here who are doing this? The author of the cartoon who is making a blatant anti-Rogan, anti-Musk message? I feel we’ve crossed some wires if we think getting median-voting, semi-patriotic liberals to reject authoritarian propaganda is more harmful than good.

        Edit: the difference between people like MAGA and people who want a better world and equality and empathy, is that MAGA rejects nuance and smarter, less comfortable perspectives of the world, including the capacity to shift perspectives to people you don’t relate with. What are YOU guys avoiding looking at in your daily rage-fueled scrolling? What nuance and perspective are you denying because it makes you uncomfortable? We can be the adults in the room and understand a thing without subscribing to a thing.

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          This comic is pure unapologetic propaganda and paints your military as smiling aid giving friends.

          Fuck off.

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            Seethe harder, the US military does have extremely positive moments. There’s absolutely nothing negative about the US helping Ukraine defend itself from it’s evil genocidal neighbor. There’s nothing wrong with the US freeing Europe from the Nazis and then later from the Soviets. There’s nothing wrong with the US Navy ensuring freedom of global trade and navigation. That’s not propaganda, that’s reality. Does that mean everything the US military has done is positive? Of course not, there’s a lot of cruelty in there too. However, pretending that the US military has no positive achievements shows that you’re the one who’s drowned in pure unapologetic propaganda. This comic serves to highlight the positive examples to disprove the notion spread by Musk and Rogan that empathy is a weakness, it’s a strength.

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            The results of people like Musk and Rogan influencing people to let a fascist dictatorship take control of that same military is going to be a lot fucking worse for you.

            Get fucking smarter.

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              Are you slow? Do you think I’m defending Musk and Rogan?

              I’m saying your military - and your country - is a piece of shit force of evil in this world, and has always been, regardless of your idiot in chief. Any comic painting it as smiling empathetic friends is propaganda.

              I can’t be any more clear than this.

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                And I’m saying view it through the lens of the average American liberal who wants their military to be this image, this is what they think it is, this is what they want it to be, and forces like Musk and Rogan are trying to influence them away from this.

                You are in your rights to hate the US military, many of us with any shred of understanding about the world do, but this comic is a window into American minds at large, and needs to be understood as a piece representing the average American starting to turn on the current narrative that would see you, and your country, wherever you are, harmed far worse than anything we’ve done before.

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                  No. And that’s exactly the problem.

                  You think fostering this narrative over your military is safer/better than the alternative, but it is under this malicious narrative that you’re happily delivering aid that you’ve invaded and sabotaged a lot of countries, all with thunderous applause from your own populace.

                  but this comic is a window into American minds at large, and needs to be understood as a piece representing the average American starting to turn on the current narrative that would see you, and your country, wherever you are, harmed far worse than anything we’ve done before.

                  BOTH of these narratives harm my country and many others. Both of them. Do not attempt to take a moral high ground because your version of your military is got sunshine and rainbows. It’s the same fucking deal regardless of the democrat or republican in power, one party is just much more open about it than the other.

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          There are multiple victims of war pictured here and the comic doesn’t seem to notice or care why that is. It celebrates it even, as empathy, which is such a crushing example of how warped perspectives can become.

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            Yah this is the general perception of Liberal America, and really the liberal populations of many countries who are just raised on propaganda and don’t really think systemically. IE: the bulk of all people.

            This comic SHOULD be a window into how the average, median voter thinks and feels about the country, if we understood and accepted this common perception instead of cringing at it we could make a lot better progress in actually getting people to recognize the problems with the military and the state, but for most people this is patriotism and they don’t think “america bad” every time they see a soldier missing a limb.

            A comic like this does more net good than all the lecturing and guilting people for being involved in a corrupt system, and I still don’t know who the “They” are.

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              How is it a net good if the average person is just going to see it and reinforce their views?

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                Because the punchline, not the content before it. It’s telling the average American with an ambivalent at worst view of the US international presence and military (and there are a LOT of military families in the US, we need to understand this to move politics) will see a cartoon like this and it will plant an idea in their head that we can’t trust the shit the Joe Rogan promotes and that Elon Musk is just bad. This is what we want, this about the most we can fucking hope for in the US, the average American has no clue what’s going on.

                I beg people to actually read the 2024 exit polling, I promise you, no matter how bad you think the situation is, it’s worse.

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                  Right but maybe if we want to shit on Elon Musk and Joe Rogan we can do so by showing actual examples of empathy rather than glorifying something evil and unempathetic.

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              Probably in this context: the ruling class.

              The lack of class awareness here in the comic being why the use of cultural hegemony is lost.

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      This aimed at Liberal America, they eat this kind of thing up and we have to stop cringing every time someone says “America not that bad” and lecturing people. They have a vision for what they want America to be, and for them dismembered veterans getting basic medical care is more good than bad. I won’t try to make it make sense because it requires dumbing down. Which is something we also have to learn to do.

      Nationalism moves nations, it’s pure political capital, it’s why Trump won and is now ruining our world, because he has the support of fucking armed nationalists.

      You don’t have to understand or like the theme, but if it moves median, tuned-out people against people like Rogan and Musk, on their own level, it will only help. They sure as shit don’t care about social issues, most people don’t, and the sooner we understand that, the sooner we can start actually shaping a world that respects social issues.