Workers should learn AI skills and companies should use it because it’s a “cognitive amplifier,” claims Satya Nadella.
in other words please help us, use our AI
- Denial
- Anger
- Bargaining <- They’re here
- Depression
- Acceptance
Translation: Microslop’s executives are finally starting to realize that they fucked up.
Textbook definition of a solution searching for a problem.
I will try to have a balanced take here:
The positives:
- there are some uses for this “AI”
- like an IDE it can help speed up the process of development especially for menial tasks that are important such as unit test coverage.
- it can be useful to reword things to match the corpo slang that will make you puke if you need to use it.
- it is useful as a sort of better google, like for things that are documented but reading the documentation makes your head hurt so you can ask it to dumb it down to get the core concept and go from there
The negatives
- the positives don’t justify the environmental externalities of all these AI companies
- the positives don’t justify the pc hardware/silicone price hikes
- shoehorning this into everything is capital R retarded.
- AI is a fucking bubble keeping the Us economy inflated instead of letting it crash like it should have a while ago
- other than a paid product like copilot there is simply very little commercially viable use-case for all this public cloud infrastructure other than targeting with you more ads, that you can’t block because it’s in the text output of it.
Overall I wish the AI bubble burst already
How can you lose social permission that you never had in the first place?
Best use for AI is CEO replacement
The problem with this is the savings will go to share holders not workers.
The savings will also lead to the corporation’s profits to decline in the mid term, and then the savings will actually go to private equity and hedge funds, not the shareholders.
The whole point of “AI” is to take humans OUT of the equation, so the rich don’t have to employ us and pay us. Why would we want to be a part of THAT?
AI data centers are also sucking up all the high quality GDDR5 ram on the market, making everything that relies on that ram ridiculously expensive. I can’t wait for this fad to be over.
I have to agree, even if i have no issue with GenAI itself. No one needs that many datacenters as they are planning. Adoption will crash as soon as they try monetizing it for real. Even if they try using cloud gaming as a load in those centers - not one person i know would trade their local PC for something that’s dependent on a fast internet connection without data caps and introduces permanent 100ms+ delay on all games.
I swapped my 3070Ti 8GB to a 5070 16GB, if i sell off the 3070TI the upgrade cost me 300€ (but i tend to keep it as a backup), and I can run my local GenAI and LLM without issues now, I don’t need datacenters, i need CDNs so i can get my content i run locally. and TBH if they really try to kill local compute in gaming: i have enough games here to last me for a decade or more without getting bored, and i can play all of that while sitting in a mountain cabin.
Not to mention the water depletion and electricity costs that the people who live near AI data centers have to deal with, because tech companies can’t be expected to be responsible for their own usage.
I mean, do you really think it’s better idea to let them build their own water and power system separate?
They should be forced to upgrade the existing infrastructure so everyone benefits.
I’d love to take humans out of the equation of all work possible. The problem is how the fascist rulers will treat the now unemployed population.
Yep. Ideal future is robots do all the work for us while we enjoy life.
But realistic future is rich people enjoy life while normal people starve.
Don’t forget the few “lucky” people doing the most disagreeable of jobs because they’re still hard to automate and the starving population provides a cheap desperate pool of labour to do even the most dangerous and unhealthy jobs for a pittance.
The rich seem to be common evil denominator. It is time to act against them. Worldwide.
I mean, this is literally an argument against using oxen to plough fields instead of doing it by hand.
The answer is always that society should reorient around not needing constant labour and wealth being redistributed.
So…he has something USELESS and he wants everybody to FIND a use for it before HE goes broke?
I’ll get right on it.
Nice paraphrasing!
I was expecting something much worse but to me it deels like he’s saying “we, the people working on this stuff, need to find real use cases that actually justifies the expense” which is…pretty reasonable
Not defending him or Microsoft at all here but it sounds like normal business shit, not a CEO begging users to like their product
I mean, it would be a lot more reasonable if the entire tech industry hadn’t gone absolutely 100% all-in on investing billions and billions of dollars into the technology before realizing that they didn’t have any use cases to justify that investment.
Oh you don’t have to convince me it was a mistake, his comment just wasn’t what it’s being made out to be. “Find a use for it or we’re fucked” is a lot different than “please use our product or we’re fucked”
Idk I don’t really see much of a distinction really
I dunno, there’s a pretty big distinction. “Please use our shitty thing” vs “Please make our shitty thing better so people want to use it”
It’s placing “blame” on the industry leaders for failing to make something useful
Dude, you never had “social permission” to do this in the first place, none of us asked for this shit. You’re literally destroying the planet, the economy and our future for your personal gain.
You useless waste of space.
when they asked permissions?
“Cognitive amplifier?” Bullshit. It demonstrably makes people who use it stupider and more prone to believing falsehoods.
I’m watching people in my industry (software development) who’ve bought into this crap forget how to code in real-time while they’re producing the shittiest garbage I’ve laid eyes on as a developer. And students who are using it in school aren’t learning, because ChatGPT is doing all their work - badly - for them. The smart ones are avoiding it like the blight on humanity that it is.
I’m watching people in my industry (software development) who’ve bought into this crap forget how to code in real-time while they’re producing the shittiest garbage I’ve laid eyes on as a developer.
I just spent two days fixing multiple bugs introduced by some AI made changes, the person who submitted them, a senior developer, had no idea what the code was doing, he just prompted some words into Claude and submitted it without checking if it even worked, then it was “reviewed” and blindly approved by another coworker who, in his words, “if the AI made it, then it should be alright”
“if the AI made it, then it should be alright”
Show him the errors of his ways. People learn best by experience.
You’re right, they SHOULD be fired.
Management loves that they are using AI, they will probably get promoted if anything.
It’s being pushed very hard by management where I work and I’m consistently seeing the same as above. I mentioned on another thread recently that I’ve heard “I don’t know why Claude did that” multiple times over the past few weeks.
It’s infuriating.
The number of times I’ve been debugging something and a coworker messages “I asked ChatGPT and it said [obviously wrong thing]” makes me want to gouge my eyes out
And students who are using it in school aren’t learning, because ChatGPT is doing all their work - badly - for them.
This is the one that really concerns me. It feels like generations of students are just going to learn to push the slop button for any and everything they have to do. Even if these bots were everything techbros claimed they are, this would still be devastating for society.
Well, one way or another it won’t be too many generations. Either we figure out it’s a bad idea or sooner or later things will go off the wheels enough that we won’t maintain the infrastructure to support everyone using this type of “AI”. Being kind of right 90% of the time is not good enough at a power plant.
Even one or two seems like it’d be catastrophic. And if nothing’s changed until they enter the workforce and start fucking shit up, I’d say that’s something like 10 years of teens becoming dependent on it and losing out on critical education and development (presuming worst case - no market crash). That’s a lot of damage.
Businesses have invested too much time, money and promises in AI to admit they made a mistake, now. And like all business models based on the Sunk Cost Fallacy, it’s going to do a lot of damage along the way before it finally dies.
As evidence: How the fuck is a company as big as Microsoft letting their CEO keep making such embarassing public statements? How the fuck has he not been forced into more public speaking training by the board?
This is like the 4th “gaffe” of his since the start of the year!
You don’t usually need “social permission” to do something good. Mentioning that is at best, publicly stating that you think you know what’s best for society (and they don’t). I think the more direct interpretation is that you’re openly admitting you’re doing the type of thing that you should have asked permission for, but didn’t.
This is past the point of open desperation.
Love your name.
Wild guess here is the social one is the one where most countries has allowed them to do what it takes and special contract deals.
Likely not public socially. At least, I doubt that.
Last time they were crying that nobody wanted it and made the word bad. It’s all kinda strategy to converse most amount of people you can. Like other users mentioned above the post of people in their org using gpt. I see this too in my org and by variety or engineers or regular folks and I face palm every time because you get responses that roughly makes sense but contextually are horrendously poor and misunderstood entirely.
Desperation probably because they invested so much money on something of a demand that doesn’t even exit yet.
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I’ve been programming professionally for 25 years. Lately we’re all getting these messages from management that don’t give requirements but instead give us a heap of AI-generated code and say “just put this in.” We can see where this is going: management are convincing themselves that our jobs can be reduced to copy-pasting code generated by a machine, and the next step will be to eliminate programmers and just have these clueless managers. I think AI is robbing management of skills as well as developers. They can no longer express what they want (not that they were ever great at it): we now have to reverse-engineer the requirements from their crappy AI code.
but instead give us a heap of AI-generated code and say “just put this in.”
we now have to reverse-engineer the requirements from their crappy AI code.
It may be time for some malicious compliance.
Don’t reverse engineer anything. Do as your told and “just put this in” and deploy it. Everything will break and management will explode, but now you’ve demonstrated that they can’t just replace you with AI.
Now explain what you’ve been doing (reverse engineering to figure out their requirements), but that you’re not going to do that anymore. They need to either give you proper requirements so that you can write properly working code, or they give you AI slop and you’re just going to “put it in” without a second thought.
You’ll need your whole team on board for this to work, but what are they going to do, fire the whole team and replace them with AI? You’ll have already demonstrated that that’s not an option.
So in your case, not only is the LLM coding assistant not making you faster, it’s actively impeding your productivity and the productivity of your stakeholders. That sucks, and I’m sorry you’re having to put up with it.
I’m lucky that in my day job, we’re not (yet) forced to use LLMs, and the “AI coding platform” our upper management is trying to bring on as an option is turning out to be an embarrassing boondoggle that can’t even pass cybersecurity review. My hope is that the VP who signed off on it ends up shit-canned because it’s such a piece of garbage.
And they are all getting dependent and addicted to something that is currently almost “free” but the monetization of it all will soon come in force. Good luck having the money to keep paying for it or the capacity to handle all the advertisement it will soon start to push out. I guess the main strategy is manipulate people into getting experience with it with these 2 or 3 years basically being equivalent to a free trial and ensuring people will demand access to the tools from their employees which will pay from their pockets. When barely anyone is able to get their employers to pay for things like IDEs… Oh well.
We watched this exact same tactic happen with Xbox gamepass over the last 5 years. They introduced it and left in the capability to purchase the “upgrade” for $1/year. Now they are suddenly cranking it up to $30/month and people are still paying it because they feel like it’s a service they “have to have”.
Small sample but everyone i know dropped it on the increase to 30 bucks. One of them had been primarily playing PlayStation and xbox for the last decade but has gotten and primarily plays steam deck now.
Textbook example of enshittification.
Which is why I’ve dropped it myself. Not worth the price.
Agreed
I’m usually too lazy when it comes to canceling things, but I canceled Game Pass right away. $30 per month is just offensive.
This recent massive price hike (it fucking doubled) is what got me to cancel my live, completely.
I’ve been subscribed since 2002, when it first released. So their greed lost a sure stream of income. I’m not alone.
Is it $30/month on top of Xbox gold or does the game pass include it?
It’s included, but good lord if that’s not a very high price for temporary access to a collection of bargain bin games. You could buy a full price game every other month for that money.
or 3-6 indies on sale - hell if you save up that money you can go nuts every steam/gog same, 360$ should get you around 1k$ games retail price upwards if you are a patient gamer
Edit: and you can KEEP that, not temporary
On top of that, I have personally developed some gaming habits that I don’t care for at all as a direct result of gamepass.
Gold doesn’t exist anymore. Now it’s game pass core or something…the rate went up with that forced “migration”. You do get access to a few “free” games with core, but you gotta pay way more to have the full deal. I think core (which is the cheapest, baseline option) is $70/yr now? (Edit- i just checked my statement, it’s $78.50)
Hell, Microsoft and Apple did the same thing decades ago. Microsoft offered computer discounts to high schools and colleges, so that the students would be used to (and demand) Microsoft when they went into the business world. Apple then undercut that by offering very discounted products to elementary and junior high schools, so that the students would want Apple products in higher education and the business world.
The tactic let them write off all the discounts on their taxes, but lock in customers and raise prices on business (and eventually consumer) goods.
I’m watching people in my industry (software development) who’ve bought into this crap forget how to code in real-time while they’re producing the shittiest garbage I’ve laid eyes on as a developer.
Yes. Then I come on Lemmy and see a dedicated pack of heralds constantly professing that they do the work of 10 devs while eating bon bons and everyone that isn’t using it is stupid. So annoying
God, that’s so frustrating. I want to shake them and shout, “No, your code is 100% ass now, but you don’t know it because it passes tests that were written by the same LLM that wrote your code! And you have barely laid eyes on it, so you’re forgetting what good code even looks like!”
I decided not to finish my college program partially because of AI like chatgpt. My last 2 semesters would have been during the pandemic with an 8 month work term before. Covid ended up canceling the work term and would give me the credit anyway. The rest of the classes would all be online and mostly multiple choice quizs. There wasn’t a lot of AI scanning tech for academic submissions yet either. I felt if i continued, I’d be getting a worse product for the same price (online vs in class/lab), wont get that valuble work experience, and id be at a disadvantage if i didnt use AI in my work.
Luckily my program had a 2 year of 3 year option. The first 2 years of the 3 year is the same so i just took the 2 year cert and got out.
Wym you would be at a disadvantage? College isn’t a competition. By not using AI in the learning process and submissions you might get a lower grade than others, but trust me no one fucking checks your college grades. They check if you know what you are doing.
In fact you wouldn’t get a lower grade, others would have an inflated grade which then won’t translate to skills and will have issues in the workforce.
It didn’t sit right with me. I made the deans list each semester before that for good grades. I wanted no speculation that my grades were influenced by AI in the next semester. In a competitive job market, making the deans list consistently could absolutely stand out among other candidates. It shows respect for deadlines and the education.
This has to be a bot - no student in the history of the universe has ever said this, ever
Not a bot. Both my internship interviews commented on me making the deans list.
Was AI really that big of a thing at the time of Covid?
It was just starting out around that time, hence why it wasn’t much of a concern in my earlier semesters. Plus they had better in class controls for cheating like monitoring computers and in person exams instead of online. You would have got an instant fail if you got caught using AI or plagarism on your projects.
I got deepseek to run short roleplaying adventures that are surprisingly fun and engaging. It’s an amped up choose your own adventur, so for this application, the future is bright.
Not a single other llm can do this in any way approaching acceptable.
And it still lies and makes shit up, but in a fantasy world, the can let it pass unless it is trying to rob me of experience lol.
When it can do long sessions and entire careers instead of detailed one offs it’ll have found its niche for me. Right now, it’s just a fun toy, prone to hallucinations.
I can’t believe people use these things for code…
I can also see a lot of use in general for gaming! There might be a future where game assets are generated on the fly, dialogue and storylines are without artificial limits, no invisible borders in game worlds. The technology is useful, but not in the way those fools want to force it.
Right now, it’s just a fun toy, prone to hallucinations.
That’s the thing though - with an LLM, it’s all “hallucinations”. They’re just usually close to reality, and are presented with an authoritative, friendly voice.
(Or, in your case, they’re usually close to the established game reality!)
I hereby revoke my permission.
“Social permission” is one term for it.
Most people don’t realize this is happening until it hits their electric bills. Microslop isn’t permitted to steal from us. They’re just literal thieves and it takes time for the law to catch up.
[Microsoft are] just literal thieves.
Always have been.
(But now it’s worse because it’s the entire public, not just their competitors)
They aren’t Microsoft anymore, they’re full on Microslop.
you will enjoy your chatbot that confidently tells lies while electricity bill goes up by 50% and the nearby datacentres try to make the next model not use em-dashes
As a long-time user of the em-dash I’m pissed off that my usual writing style now makes people think I used AI. I have to second-guess my own punctuation and paraphrase.
We suffer together! At least my semicolon is still safe.
I don’t use LLMs for anything creative for the express purpose of avoiding generic tone, haha.
Yeah. I just wouldn’t feel comfortable putting my name to a slice of that dreary blandness.
Maybe we could start making more slop memes, to outbalance the possible usefulness of AI ?
