The Lemmy devs have arguably pretty worse philosophy but dev with a sense of integrity and don’t inject their politics into their software.
The Piefed devs have arguably much better philosophy but do directly build that into their app development.
I’m sorry, I don’t think that’s an improvement.
Feud posting is cringe. Everyone can pick a instance thats best for them. Who cares if its not for you.
Is there a furry Piefed instance yet?
it’s just a custom e621 interface that also pulls activitypub.
Seeing posts laid out the same as e6 wouldn’t be the worst idea out there. 🤷♂️
What’s not cool? Infighting, it drives away new users.
That’s an ironic comment, given how loaded the image you’ve included is…
Yeah I’m about to leave bc I can’t even look at a cartoon’s comments without seeing everybody calling each other tankies. It’s been a good few months, but…
Check out !nonpolitical_comics@piefed.social - it’s fairly awesome 😎👍
piefed exists becase the lemmy creators are leftist.
your standard anticommunism, nothing different than the norm really.
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Yeah what they are is not “leftist”
whatever democrats and libs are is not “leftist”
Why are you lying? Lemmy creators are not leftists, they advocate for people getting murdered by the state, they advocate for authoritarianism and control of population. That’s why people dislike them, not because they’re “leftists.”
It’s their favored past time when people are against them for their authoritarianism to conflate that with “communism” as a whole and ofc they love to “No True Scotsman” being they’re the only “true” leftists lmfao
I can’t say I know too much about piefed, however I did notice that a lot of the worst users I knew from Lemmy moved to piefed so that was enough for me.
See this comment with PieFed code analysis for context: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23662293
Also featuring extra serving of drama slop
And on top of that looks like the guy who posted this meme: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919
Got his account deleted on PieFed: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23687401
Big cringe, not even hexbear admins do that.
Jesus Christ, did they call the word “stupid” ableism?
i mean, the people who have the time to sit there and nitpick the social justice awareness of source code… aren’t exactly going to be the most well-adjusted individuals.
They also complained about a proper functioning block system lmfao
Hahaha, that’s what jumped out to me as well.
Ableism is when I need mommy to call me a good boy
As stated, most of the things here can be turned off - and one part specifically is a complete misrepresentation.
As stated, most of the things here can be turned off
Is it possible to disable how user blocking works?
and one part specifically is a complete misrepresentation
If you’re talking about defederation, then no: it’s an updated version of the comment that properly explains how it works. To be honest, I think the correct interpretation is even worse: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23664761
Their way of doing it honestly makes more sense imo.
No more than an instance on Lemmy can make it so blocked a counts can’t reply to someone who blocked them. That’s just contradictory blocking philosophies at play.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn’t true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
In my opinion, this blocking philosophy is hurtful to the Fediverse. To me it feels like EEE from the PieFed devs who clearly dislike the Lemmy devs.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn’t true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
Yes, you’re correct! And the message I linked no longer includes this disinformation.
I don’t know why you think a different philosophy the blocking system from Piefed, regardless of what you think of its impact - has anything to do with any dislike of Lemmy devs.
No, this particular feature is not related to a dislike of the Lemmy devs. I just wanted to say that I don’t like this feature.
But some of the features mentioned in the linked comment are related. Sorry if that wasn’t clear, I’m not a native speaker.
Only the automatic instance defederation.
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Even if that’s the case (I don’t know the author), I don’t think it affects what he wrote in the linked post in any way.
Valid.
i use both and don’t give a shit. 🤷
next thing you’ll tell us that bisexuality is real.
They each are good in different ways. Lemmy’s search is superb - far better than Reddit’s or especially PieFed’s. Though PieFed has solved the community discovery and onboarding issues for new users.
Imho PieFed seems unquestionably better for a new user, whereas Lemmy is typically more suited for an established user of the Threadiverse, unless they want one of the new features that only PieFed offers (i.e., most people don’t need to move, especially if they use a mobile app).
Yea I gotta say, I can tell dessalines must have had pain in the Reddit search and rage coded a fantastic search function for Lemmy lmfao
Although I wish it was a bit more intuitive and the UI elements worked for it - like the sort functions only work for posts but not comments so sometimes it is difficult to use. For posts though, it’s one of the better searchers I’ve yet seen, especially compared to Reddit 😝.
Yeah, I’ve said that Piefed needs to rip out its search UI and just copy Lemmy’s really. It’s more convenient. Rimu has said he’s not happy with it if I recall.
I found Piefed to be fine but, when sharing links, the recipients of my sharing complained about their format. It was several months ago, though, so maybe that’s changed.
Sorry I don’t understand what you mean here, but in the worst case sharing links has never worked well across the Threadiverse - depending on how you mean that, as in if it is on a different instance than what they are on it will take them instead to that other place where they have no account and so cannot vote or comment - while in the best case PieFed has solved this long-standing issue by auto-translating links to be on the same instance as the sender. I do not know how that work for the recipient - I don’t think that it would, or could go back to the above scenario.
Anyway this is not unique to PieFed, as I thought PieFed was at least no worse than Lemmy in this regard and ever so slightly more functional - at least I’ve been ecstatically happy (yes I’m odd:-P) with this new capability it offers, as I’ve been waiting for it since the Rexodus and it is finally here!!!:-)
The links were functional, but odd looking. The recipients didn’t like seeing characters that don’t usually show up in links and considered the links suspicious as a result, sometimes not clicking them.
Not exactly a flaw with the tech, but also a reasonable precaution by the recipients. I’m flattered that you assume my friends are on the fediverse but most of them aren’t so trying to explain instances and such to them wouldn’t go smoothly.
Fair, though I still don’t get: why would there be special characters in them?
e.g. the URL I see this OP on is https://piefed.social/c/fedimemes/p/1727244/piefed-is-cool-lemmy-is-too-what-s-not-cool-infighting-it-drives-away-new-users-unfortu, and the actual OP source is https://thelemmy.club/post/43491796. There a a bunch of numbers there, but not “special characters”, so I am not sure where you are getting this from.
Rimu’s link asking if people have questions about the code: https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1660885/we-re-here-to-answer-any-questions-you-have-about-piefed-s-code.
Special features of PieFed: https://join.piefed.social/features/.
The instance picker: https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser.
I don’t see special characters in any of these?
If you are using an app, you might look into how safe it is keep using that app? Or perhaps you ran into a special niche case for a particular URL, but I don’t really recall seeing special characters in any URLs related to PieFed so I don’t think that’s a (major) thing?
I mentioned that it’s been a while; maybe they resolved it. In mine there were plenty of at signs and colons. I agree there’s nothing upsetting about your links.
I don’t see this as much as the fighting between .ml and everyone else. Especially recently with .ml v. piefed & various Lemmy users.
I just wnat to complain about lemmy users and stop having 20 piefed bros lecture me how how if i go to piefed everything will be rainbows and sunshine and my farts will smell like cotton candy.
everyone is weirdly insufferable about their little tribe being the best because they use it. might as well be lecturing people about what brand of milk to drink.
I’ve never had that interaction. I’m also kind of a dum dum and don’t even know the difference between between the fediverse, lemmy, all the little stuff. I got my account working and haven’t put much thought into it past my brain rotted shit posting.
I’ve never noticed it that extreme - perhaps I’ve just blocked the right people - but I always saw it more like this:
It’s fairly recent, mostly from people doing a code audit, and possibly emboldened by the upcoming Lemmy 1.0. See e.g. https://lemmy.ml/post/42339089/23619001.
Personally I believe such criticisms will only strengthen the code by polishing some of its roughest spots, increasing transparency by exposing additional configuration options and the like. The PieFed devs are actively soliciting such genuine feedback - see e.g. https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1660885/we-re-here-to-answer-any-questions-you-have-about-piefed-s-code.
I need to set myself up an Mbin account again (I was once on Kbin).
Ngl Mbin is kinda awesome, but mainly only if someone wants to browse both Mastodon and the Threadiverse from the same account. It’s better imho for e.g. long-titled news articles but not as good for e.g. memes.
I hope I’m not furthering the divide OP mentioned further more than being helpful but it’s true so I’ll say it: I only joined Kbin.social at first due to the off-putting connection between the Lemmy sourcecode and the tankie devs, but now PieFed provides a cleaner option for that.
Me, who didn’t even recognise the icon on the left:
Why is this blue clock guy so mean?
I got on lemmy because I just wanted to ditch reddit. I can’t be bothered to set this convoluted shit up again.
Thats pretty much where I am lol. I have an account and I can see both lemmy and piefed content, good enough for me!
Agreed. They’re both very good. And there’s no need to bring one down to uplift the other.
both user bases are full of a lot of nut jobs and people with extremist and crazy beliefs.
platforms don’t change people. that’s what nobody gets. fediverse is not going to ‘solve’ the problem of being people nutjobs seeking other nutjobs to compete over how ‘true’ their nutjob commitment is.
that’s completely irrelevant, because in internet and real life there are nutjobs everywhere. even tho the definition of nutjob might slightly differ for everyone, the platforms allow users to regulate the amount of nutjobs they meet individually, for example by subscribing communities with less of them and/or blocking/filtering.
also, the voting system helps a lot, so ppl get easy feedback about their content and it helps with sorting, too.
Why would one go to pie fed if their main concern was moving away from big tech?
I get that the devs aren’t popular but it’s fully open source isn’t it?
PieFed is FOSS. It runs in a docker container with fewer resources than Lemmy so you could self-host your own instance if you wanted - see e.g. https://jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-piefed for one person’s irl story attempting to do both.
Other alternatives, besides Lemmy, are Kbin, now forked into Mbin, nodeBB, and flarum at least announced that it would but I am not so sure it will follow through. And that’s just the Threadiverse: there’s still so much in the wider Fediverse as well, like besides Mastodon there’s Pixelfed, and Friendica, Loops is coming up, etc.
You don’t ever have to go back to big tech again.
Unless you want content, since we don’t have endless varieties like them. This is the price we who stay here pay.
Your comment made me want to try and self host pie fed, I hope your happy
So also is piefed. Both are federated systems.
It’s concern-trolling and astroturfing. There are lots of proprietary platforms that must feel threatened by the Fediverse so it’s no surprise that the classic divide and conquer strats are making an appearance.
Just use whatever platform you want and don’t feed the trolls.
PS: memes like this just serve to perpetuate and exacerbate the flamewars, so bravo if that’s what you were aiming for.
i’ve seen nothing but piefed users being smug jerks about piefed and treating lemmy users like they are unwashed plebes. myself included. i’ve used piefed and it’s the same flavor of shit in a different layout.
i have not seen it go the other way around. most are going ‘wtf is piefed and why are these people so weird’.
