Full official Linux support or GTFO.
Now I’ll collect the free game I’m never playing.
The wrong direction. Repeating Steam’s mistakes won’t fix it.
Epic can finally add all the features they want but until they stop the BS of PC exclusivity deals, I’ll continue to never buy from them and will stick to Steam, GoG, and Itch.
Epic can take “some money” by selling third party indie and AAA games… or take “all the money” when people spend in Fortnite. It’s a conflict of interest: Epic don’t want a good store that do the job for other companies, Epic want advertisement for their single product. They give free games with the same logic you get free merchandise to gather people around place that cost money… they don’t give the customer free stuff to make them happy, they don’t give “free money” to publisher/developers because wants them happy (well, aside for the purpose to have happy business).
They want as much as people possible, regardless of their role as customer or publisher, to bring their business in their pocket.
The stupid piece of shit software doesn’t tell me anything about the games. That’s the problem with it.
I go to Steam and it tells me all sorts of info regarding the game. More videos. More screenshots. The data on the right side describing if it’s coop/single/mmo/whatever. All the reviews.
HOW HARD IS IT TO COPY SOMEONE ELSE’S HOMEWORK?!?!?!?
The excuse was (from Tim Swiney) that Steam also started barebones.
Epic is still barebones 8 years in. Steam wasn’t by that point.
The whole idea sucks. You know what would be worse than Steam having a monopoly on PC game stores? Five different megacorps each as untrustworthy as Epic dividing the market between them, each with their own exclusive deals so that people who want access to most things need to sign up for all of them. Like with the streaming services it would only drive people back to piracy.
Sooo don’t buy in. Steam, Itch and GoG have covered all my gaming needs for a decade. Why look anywhere else?
The exclusive deals… I personally will wait for a game to move from epic exclusive to steam, but maybe some people don’t want to.
If EPIC funded it then they aren’t going to move to Steam.
Alan Wake 2 is never coming to Steam. So you can 🏴☠️ or you can choose not to play it.
This is kind of a wild take on the fediverse. If Epic is a megacorp, then what is Valve? I get that fracturing the marketplace could lead to a worse outcome for consumers, but surely praying for benevolent billionaires isn’t a winning strategy.
Steam is just as much of a problem as EGS.
If Epic is a megacorp, then what is Valve?
It’s a marginally less problematic megacorp. Being stuck with three or four of them instead of the current one or two would not solve any problems and would make things substantially more annoying for their customers — both publishers and gamers. There’s currently no way for enough of them to exist in that market to provide meaningful competition. It’s the type of service where consolidation and market concentration is inevitable when they’re run the way they are now. You can’t reasonably be expected have 50 different equivalents to the Steam client on your PC; having both Steam and GOG is already a bit of a stretch.
Speaking of the fediverse though, if all the PC game stores were somehow federated such that listing your game on one automatically made it available on the others as well, and they could thus be constrained to compete fairly in a well-regulated market based on the fully interoperable services they provide, that would be a better world.
Sorry, I’m a bit too used to the average take everyone has that Steam somehow gets a pass and Epic is the peak of tyranny. Pardon that, I largely agree.
This got me thinking. One of the big things i like about steam is the ease of use on Linux and the achievements with the community profile and friends to share it with on top of it. So what if you made those features federated. A protocol that allows you to attach a game to it and log achievements and display them on friendica. You could also attach the executables from steam or gog or whatever you launch through lutris or heroic or whatever. I think atm Devs put in extra stuff to make steam achievements work but what if there was a common interface for it?
For what it’s worth, usually devs use one of a handful of telemetry solutions to track achievements and the like. There’s some plumbing needed to hook those systems to a platform like Steam, but it’s the same idea for Xbox, PSN, etc.
Most major platforms have the same general pieces on the backend, though all laid out a bit differently.
Some of us have already been burned by EPIC and we aren’t going back.
A decade ago, I was playing a game called Paragon that was being “beta” tested via EPIC. (I would say it was an alpha release because there were SOOOO many changes to gameplay and map, no sane person would consider it a BETA test.) Steve Superville was in charge. Early iterations were pretty sweet, match length could go 40-60 minutes because there were lots of mechanics that could dramatically shift the flow of a match. This is because the game was being designed as a MOBA, and it was a true MOBA. As someone who enjoys strategy and MOBAs, the early product was amazing.
Then the bean counters entered and forced production to reduce map size because they felt a 40-60 minute match was too long, despite no one from the community complaining about it. The bean counters forced more map shrinkage in an attempt to make the game play more like a brawler, when it was clearly not. They were just trying to ride the overwatch hype train because brawlers were successful at the time. Eventually Steve Superville was forced out of the project and they brought in Donald Mustard, because he was willing to turn the project into a pay to win riddled with microtransactions piece of trash.
These corporate bean counters alienated their entire customer base and acted surprised when the product failed. The best part is that while it was in BETA, they were fucking charging money for skins. When they closed the product you couldn’t get a cash refund for the skins you bought. You got refunded in credits you could spend on their other products. I was alpha testing Fortnite at this time too. It was a plants/zombies type game with building. When they axed paragon, they rolled tons of those assets into fortnite, and redesigned the whole product to mimic PubG, because they wanted to ride the PubG hype train. No way was I willing to accept anything less than a cash refund for what I spent while I was beta testing their product.
Epic’s corporate overlords don’t have an original thought rattling around in their collective heads. Their entire business model is to flail around, copy anything that seems remotely successful with a reskin, and hope it sticks. Not even free products will convince me to download their laucher, or anything they put their mierdas touch on. /rant
They did UT dirty. It was getting good dev, maps built in a game play first manner, and really high polish on completed assets. Then, “well the community can continue development.” It’s like they forgot you can make multiple games at once.
Some of us have already been burned by EPIC and we aren’t going back.
First they took Linux support away from my Rocket League and then completely away from Steam. I don’t know how the current state is, but that was a huge burn for me. There are and were other issues too, this is just the one I am most angry about.
Epic decided to enter the market by bringing the trash console exclusivity model to PC. Furthermore, they stated they will never support GNU/Linux. I will never touch this rubbish.
It’s a bad store more than a bad launcher (although it’s also a bad launcher that lacks basic features)
There was a recent article about a dev saying that when their game was given for free on Epic, it increased their sales. But not on Epic Store… They increased on Steam…
The problem with Epic is that they were with the wrong assumption that people will “just” migrate to a new launcher. You might be able to attract new players that don’t have any baggage, but older ones with games on Steam, you’ll need to climb the Everest to convince them.
That task would already be hard even if your platform had 100% parity in features with Steam. But it isn’t, it lacks basic features that Steam has for years, so I’m not sure what they were thinking that giving free games would be enough (and I’m not saying this in hindsight, I’ve been saying this ever since they launched Epic Store)
GOG manages to get by because they offer something different. As long they offer DRM-free games, they will always have an audience. Steam can’t compete with that, unless some day they decide to do the same. So GOG will always have a place in the market.
Epic on the other hand, is picking a fight with Steam, on Steam’s territory, with Steam’s rules. It could be a David vs Goliath story except David doesn’t even have a sling or a stone.
You might be able to attract new players that don’t have any baggage, but older ones with games on Steam, you’ll need to climb the Everest to convince them.
That’s why they do the giveaways. Because kids playing Fortnite have Epic libraries now, and will be invested in Epic more than Steam later, when they start spending their disposable income buying games.
You might be able to attract new players that don’t have any baggage, but older ones with games on Steam, you’ll need to climb the Everest to convince them.
At this point, my Epic library is technically bigger than my Steam library, even with family sharing somehow? But its a bunch of free games I don’t care about, except for a few, and steam has modding features built right in, so one of the few games I have played after getting it free on Epic, I eventually bought on steam when it went on sale there. There’s also the history of achievements and friends (and sharing of games with those in my steam family). So if I had to pick between Steam and Epic for a game, I’d pay more for it to be on steam. Still, I’d rather go with GOG or itch if I didn’t still have steam credit from gift cards.
problem with Epic is that they were with the wrong assumption
A lot of Epic was based on very cynical assumptions about who play games and why. Epic and Tim Sweeney see “gamers” as a monotype who spend money like water and have no loyalty to a brand or marketplace. It must be a shock to give away so much stuff and not buy and favor with the community.
Shareholders don’t understand that we have a few games we cherish and spend years playing. Epic never understood it’s audience and still seems to be missing the point.
I’ll be up front, steam is still a corpo and I’ll gladly drop it like a hot rock the second it looks at me funny. That said, decade plus that I’ve been using it, it’s treated me good. Steam runs on Linux without complaints, it doesn’t dick with my very specific file organization, and it doesn’t ask questions when I use it to run cracked software that I aquired dubiously. I don’t even own 100 games on it, I only buy things I’m willing to play and can’t pirate.
The only concievable thing another company could do to get me to pick them over steam is to give me an exact copy of steam but with the option to change the color to anything but blue.
The only concievable thing another company could do to get me to pick them over steam is to give me an exact copy of steam but with the option to change the color to anything but blue.
YSK, you can change Steam’s look: https://steambrew.app/themes
Well fuck, this gave me a rollercoaster of feelings lol. I love this, but it doesn’t work with flatpack so I have to do a full reinstall of steam. This may be my weekend project lol
They took a look at Steam and decided the forums were the big thing missing? The community reviews of games are on some occasion useful, and the steam workshop is great, but the actual forum is just about the most useless feature of Steam I can think of. There are so many places on the Internet to talk about games, chat with people while playing games, post about games, etc.
It’s not useless for things like walkthroughs and fixing common issues.
The walkthroughs are great for niche games that don’t have many players, true. But at the same time, it’s not like Steam’s walkthroughs are the only ones or best ones on the Internet. Any game that has enough interest for people to make walkthroughs for are big enough to have a fanbase that maintains a wiki, or a subreddit, or a discord, or some other place where you can exchange the same info. Hell, you could even stay logged into your Steam account in the browser and just look at guides that way, while playing the game itself in another window.
They’re not useless, but if I were to think of the things that keep me using Steam as opposed to using a new launcher (or alternatively, the one thing a new launcher needs to get me to hop over from steam), walkthroughs aren’t really high priority imo.
To be honest, I think the forums in Steam are a good addition, and worth having it. And in my opinion every game store should have such a community feature builtin.
My experience has been far less valuable. The steam forums are typically very poorly moderated, and bigotry runs wild in basically all of them.
It’s not inherent to Steam or forums as a concept, but unless the people running it take care to invest in resources for proper moderation, forums will just naturally trend towards toxic behaviour because it’s easier to be an asshole and harass good people out than it is to do the opposite.
So basically like any other forum. At least there is not much over moderation compared to Reddit or worse, Discord in example. I am reporting posts and comments all the time, and get messages from time to time that action has been done. I can see the accounts being banned (public info) and comments or posts being removed. But usually I am only active in forums with lot of activity, so not sure how this compares to less active communities. There is a screenshot of a confirmation reporting a discussion post:
The more active forums are where most of the problems are. It’s easy to moderate slower smaller discussions, but where Steam really lacks is in those more active forums where basically any game that has any real hype around it will turn into an absolute shitshow, especially if topics like lgbt people or women come up, or if the game happens to attract a really horny incel fandom.
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Give us a native Linux client and a proton fork, maybe then we can talk
👍 good for you.
