We’ve been searching for a memory-safe programming language to replace C++ in Ladybird for a while now. We previously explored Swift, but the C++ interop never quite got there, and platform support outside the Apple ecosystem was limited. Rust is a different story. The ecosystem is far more mature for systems programming, and many of our contributors already know the language. Going forward, we are rewriting parts of Ladybird in Rust.
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Gross
I was enthusiastic about LadyBird until I learnt that the guy leading the project i s a white supremacist, via pivot-to-ai.
Now I hope either someone else takes it over, or that it crashes and burns.
Google’s monopoly is a bigger problem than one guy having confused ideas, to me.
If any creator can separate work from personal and the product is good I really couldn’t care less with what they use their own time for.
I’m pretty sure you could find people with other unsavoury opinions in the devteams for both chrome and firefox, what then?
Came here to say this.
The worst part is they are doing themselves a disservice by not rewriting it by hand - have they really learnt enough Rust to know how to effectively rewrite the other parts of the engine as they say? Doubtful - they’ll probably just do everything through AI stuff going forward.
Oh. Welp, if it’s going to be vibe coded I’m out.
Andreas Kling’s ladybird? Don’t wanna touch that with a 10ft pole.
https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity/
If any creator can separate work from personal and the product is good I really couldn’t care less with what they use their own time for.
I’m pretty sure you could find people with other unsavoury opinions in the devteams for both chrome and firefox, what then? Lynx?
Hyperborea.org is that owned by a racist or is the domain ment to be making fun of it?
Based on the content of that article alone (especially near the bottom), I don’t think it’s run by a racist at all. Can confirm via their social media presence.
Weird. I would not feel comfortable using that domain. I thought i was reading a neo Nazis blog on the issue.
Can you explain why you feel that way? “Hyperborea” is not a term I’m familiar with vis a vis Nazism.
Its a very common meme with neo Nazis and white nationalists. They are the only ones I see mention hyperborea. This explains the usage if you skip over the explanation of what hyperborea is https://knowyourmeme.com/sensitive/memes/hyperborea
The author explains why he chose the name on his site. I don’t think this is a neo-nazi / white nationalist thing despite the irony.
Sigh of course it’s a Nordic thing. I should have guessed. White nationalists also love other Heathen/Norse symbolism.
Good to be careful, so thanks for educating me.
Thanks for the reference!
Yeah seems about right for this project. I really wanted this to be a serious browser, but nothing about this dude is serious.
Also I know he backed this statement up with much better testing but these AI brainrot things people say kill me: “I ran multiple passes of adversarial review, asking different models to analyze the code for mistakes and bad patterns.”
“I coded this with hundreds of handcrafted AI prompts.”
“That sounds hazardous, but did you test it?”
“I had multiple AIs test it!”
Let us all hope Servo does not go down the same path.
You’re not the first I hear saying his bad news/not serious. Afaik I didn’t hear a thing about him until ladybird. What did I missed?
God that screenshot is giving me severe second hand embarrassment
Those were some disappointing reads
I would of course love to see ladybird succeed, but it has seemed problematic from the start in my opinion. Servo seems much more serious.
I also like that Servo is developing an engine, not a browser as such. Seems like a good idea to keep the two separated.
Sloppybird
Rest in peace to this browser.
I’m still gonna try it. Downvote away. 🖕fuck the Lemmy hivemind poutfest.
Hive mind would imply that people are simply following along and not making decisions on their own. I read the article and was thinking that the way they went about it was a fairly good use of AI to actually implement code.
Then I read the article posted by someone in this comment section about how the author and creator of ladybird is not only a homophobic asshole but an out and out racist. If you support him and use this then you are, by association, a homophobe and a racist.
So fuck you 🖕 as well.
Your deep insecurity is too on the nose
You’re the one bringing up insecurity. Sounds like projection.
Join an instance without downvotes, and you’ll never have to care about them again.
Guess I got excited about this browser for nothing.
Good riddance on ai, even if people there dislike it, ai-assisted code is already a norm in a lot of places. However, the decision seems confusing to me, there’s already a Rust based web engine (Servo), I’m confused about what’s the distinction between them now?
Good grief, the irrational ai kneejerk hate in this community is insane. This seems like a perfect use case - a code base with good test coverage and well defined output expectations, where a human has guided the translation and checked the results. The human in question has saved a lot of time. And still all the comments are “hurr durr slop amirite”. SMH fucking head.
Nah.
no u
Hes not even using the rust part either. Its still using c++. It’s just being developed on the side.
yeah, this part of the community is as insufferable as the overly enthusiastic vibe coders
And the people complaining about “insufferable” critics of AI, and assuming all criticism is “knee-jerk”, are themselves contributing to the cycle of negativity.
no shit, pick any post that mentions AI here and see who are the first ones to comment every single time.
If you don’t want a “cycle of negativity”, maybe let’s not throw rocks at anything for just bringing up the topic?
how’s acknowledging this herd behavior contributing to it. Some of us are also tired of reading the same crap in the comments.
I think it’s important to note that human review = quality always, it’s case by case and a lot of times the nuance and potential problems don’t appear until the code has been fiddled with manually in my experience.
Basically saying that it depends on how it was used, but my hunch is using AI for new languages for production use without an expert to help is a bad use case since the new comer has no idea what nuances exist. Unless that’s not the case here
I was enthusiastic about this project. But I am afraid these recent tangents will only reduce momentum.
Birdpoop browser you say? Never heard of of it.
