Not a single person I have ever talked to defends Israel’s land grab while condemning Russia’s. NATO did some stupid shit now and then, but overwhelmingly, their only purpose is to promise to crush Russia if it ever tries a land grab on a NATO state.
Maybe you’re not a Chinese bot account, but you are isomorphic to a Chinese bot account.
I do have two real life zionist friends who condemn Russia while defending Israel. We’ve stopped discussig Israel after numerous painful hasbara sessions.
This is not a defense of Israel. It is a condemnation. You’re getting confused.
You’re going to get called a Chinese bot account for this
Top of the bell curve shit post. I’d argue about operation noble anvil but, that would put me at the bottom of the curve.
I’m still about to see what’s up with that operation tho.
It’s the only time I defend NATO as an institution for defending a marginalized group.
Am I right? Fuck if I know but at least I believe in something.
Remember boys and girls, if the bomb falls from the sky either from a plane or ridding the nosecone of a missile or is shot from the barrel of a tank, that is never Terrorism, it’s only Terrorism if it’s otherwise.
Only poors can do terrorism, silly!
Good meme, but wrong place, mate.
ABAB: All Bombs Are Bastards
alternatively
ABAB: Assigned Bomb At Birth
For as long as Russia is willing to use bombs to steal land, Europe needs bombs. Obviously.
It would be cool if we were all assigned a bomb at birth like pet companions tho ngl.
War crimes are only bad if the bad guy does them. NATO is a good guy.
BYOB
Ayo where the fuck is my horny posting?!
here’s my cat doing a slutty pose
Me-ow
I love how “I fucked your mom” is just too straight and real for Lemmy.
I might be an old straight guy, but I can appreciate keeping it fake & gay around here. 🫡
Either they’re all ironic and OP sides with Russa over Ukraine or none of them are ironic and OP sides with Israel.
I don’t like it. Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Russia.
I absolutely and unequivocally side with Palestine (half of my family is Palestinian) and Ukraine.
It’s jokes. It’s a shitposting group. I shitposted.
I do not stand with Russia or Israel. Both of those regimes go against everything that means basically anything to me. They are evil, along with the USA, which I live in unfortunately.
WTF
Everyday I see tankie posts and it’s often the same scam: “america bad” (okay) “hence russia and china good”
Your post could be interpreted as such, especially on Lemmy
I get you. But I still downvoted your post. Why? Not because I disagree with anything you said in this comment, but because you can’t be certain anymore. Shitpost communities are also being affected by people with actual political motives, many memes aren’t memes and tankies rule this space of the internet, just like I left 9GAG years ago because of the neo nazi takeover.
I’m a firm believer of the horseshoe theory (which of course isn’t a blanket theory for everything), but nazis call me communist scum and tankies call me (apparently, as it just happened under another comment under your post) a Zionist. Of course I am neither.
They’re all the same people to me. They’re people with a twisted, broken and oversimplified worldview who won’t be bothered with annoying things like facts and logic. Maybe tankies have a slightly better heart, but the ones supporting the DPRK are just as deranged as the MAGAts.
I’m glad I’m finally seeing someone else that’s actually both pro-palestine AND pro-ukraine for once. It’s usually mutually exclusive — I don’t understand why. Literally every single pro-palestine person I’ve seen otherwise has been pretty vocally anti-Ukraine.
That’s mostly the internet though. If I talk to my friends and almost all my colleagues, they overwhelmingly and strongly hold these two views.
For instance, at the lunch table at work (about 8 ppl there, somewhere in Europe, during a discussion about Trump) I uttered the phrase “I think we need to start viewing the US as an enemy state under the current administration”, fully expecting to set off a fierce discussion. Instead everyone was like, “yup, sounds about right” and carried on with their lunch.
Point is: talk to people outside the internet and they may surprise you.
False dichotomy. Back to banjo practice 🤡
I don’t interpret this in either of the ways you suggest. I interpret the image as a whole as ironic:
OP is paraphrasing people that claim “Russia bombing people is bad, but the US bombing people is good, and by the way Israel is above all criticism and you’re an antisemite for suggesting otherwise”, and pointing out the hypocrisy in that claim. I think OP is against wars of aggression in general, and is pointing out that the US and Israel are behaving the same way as Russia when they go bombing people “preemptively”, and that being the aggressor in a war is always bad, regardless of who you are.
THANK YOU. That is exactly what was meant by this. It’s a critique towards Israel and war itself, and in no way was meant to show support for the US, Israel or Russia. Fuck all of those countries’ governments.
It’s super hard to joke on Lemmy lately, everyone is srs af
That’s not the US Flag.
Fuck Russia.
You correct, it’s the NATO flag, so you can replace “US” with “NATO” in my comment and my original point still stands. I wrote “US”, because they’re the only NATO member currently bombing someone in a war of aggression.
Either they’re all ironic [] or none of them are ironic
Textbook false dichotomy, and not how I read it at all. Setup->Punchline is the most basic joke format in existence. The whole point of a setup is you have to be on board with it before getting sideswiped by the punchline.
Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Russia.
This.
I just interpreted as a meme criticising how people automatically side with the “good side” whether it is actually good or just a puppet state that has to win. Ukraine is actually the good side and accidentally the west supports it. Palestine is actually the good side but they got unlucky and the west supports israel. If anyone is sane, ukraine and palestine both deserve peace because an agressor attacked them and theyre just defending themselves but in the west the narrative kind of conflicts itself cause they support ukraine and israel.
This is somehow controversial, but I firmly believe that all of them, Ukraine, Palestine, Israel, Iran, everyone else, deserves an independent nation free of totalitarian dictators or religious fundamentalists.
I agree that ethnostates are required today because its the only way to protect a group of people. Ideally ethnostates wouldnt have to be a thing. With how things are now, i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again, and also a lot of the people there have never known a different home than israel. On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory. The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.
Fun fact: In the 1950s, Zionists secretly performed terrorist attacks on Jewish synagogues and communities around the middle east. This was done in an effort to make them feel unsafe in Arab countries to promote migrations to the newly-formed country of Israel. Before this, Jewish people largely lived at peace alongside Muslims, as they were traditionally considered “People of the Book” due to their shared Abrahamic-religious background.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-jews-attacks-zionist-role-confirmed-operative-police-report
Edit: I only say this because I don’t believe ethnostates are necessary to protect groups of people, and I believe the “having nowhere else to go” mentality was intentionally manufactured. Furthermore, when these ethnostates claim ownership over a group of people and commit atrocities in the name of the ethnostate, that makes it more dangerous for that group of people to live peacefully elsewhere.
i think israel should also exist, its absolutely stupid to propose it be removed cause then you have the problem of a bunch of jews having nowhere to go again
And, more importantly, you lose the moral ground on which you get to protest the Palestinian genocide when you’re advocating for Israeli genocide.
(“you” here is “a person”, not you, @AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip)
On the other hand they should be sanctioned and stopped from commiting constant warcrimes and palestinians live their lives in their rightful territory
Absolutely agree. UN forces should secure the borders (as they were originally defined) and consider any settler a terrorist.
The russia situation is a bit different. Theres no real reason for its existance. Its a bunch of russians opressing minorities, they should have their own country if were following the ethnostate idea. At very least european and asian russia should be seperate countries. But yeah thats never happening.
Yup. I kind of hope that their economy crashing will allow the eastern provinces to reach independence, but at the same time I realise that it would be suicide for them. Like, even if they somehow managed to get the money and food to supply and govern themselves, there’s no reality in which China doesn’t immediately swoop in and grab half of Siberia.
Fuck Israel as a whole too why just Netanyahu?
Like 78% of Israel.
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
That being said 9s after posting this comment I already have one upvote? Wondering if the admins can check what’s happening with the votes because as much as I believe I’m right I do also think there’s a lot of vote manipulation and propaganda accounts in here.
What choice is there?
The large majority of them were born and raised there, and some of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.
To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.
Well just because apartheid south Africa or nazi Germany got dismantled it doesn’t mean that everyone living there suddenly ceased to exist.
A state is an imaginary construct and as such can cease to exist without the actual human being‘s phyiscal existence being affected by that.
It’s a logical fallacy to equate these two things and justify the existence of a settler colonial entity through that.
“The entire concept of” South Africa and Germany still exist. The comment you made above says
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
Implying you think it and its people should stop existing.
So look at Rhodesia to Zimbabwe, if you want a new state that arose from the destruction of the settler-colonist state prior.
Yes, but only one of the two is happening irl, the other one is a hypothetical.
Also hippies protested more in the USA against Vietnam killings. I’m not sure what options they have in Israel, but I never heard about mass opposition to what their country & taxes are doing.
And the people do bare some responsibly for what their country is doing - it’s more than just participating in a society to survive when you are living well & not in a warzone.
There ARE massive protests in Israel about this specific topic. It just doesn’t make the news for obvious reasons, kinda like the absolutely gigantic protests here in the US don’t make the news.
Oh, that’s good, til, thx.
At least ten of these protests had more than 100,000 participants.
For you to say “I want to eradicate this people” is not nuanced based on which people are currently being eradicated. It’s just a stupid and hateful opinion.
Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to “restore peace”. It’s a cursed piece of land. But, you can’t remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.
Argentina and Brazil are colonial entities? Please elaborate, haven’t heard before.
Edit: How the hell do people deal with Israel given its Samson option??
Both governed by European settlers rather than the indigenous population.
fuck all govs. fuck israel separately because it’s not a real country.
Opposing all governments topples none of them.
You are crazy.
To those who’ve down voted this,why if I may ask? Genuinely curious
I didn’t, but I’m assuming they just haven’t heard anyone say that it’s good to be nuked by NATO.
i constantly hear people saying nato is justified on shit they do.
Because it’s short-sighted and ridiculous. Yes Russia bombs are bad, yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.
This is dumb “tankie” talk that tries to push people into corners that are comfortable for the OP so that they don’t have to use their brain and think about whether people’s world views may be more complex and (eep!) sometimes more well-thought of than their own simplistic view of “NATO bad - Communism good”.
And lastly, as many posts on here, it simply reeks of anti-western propaganda.
Short-sighted.
Sorry.
Ahh it’s grammar. Edited and thanks
Dirty zionist pig
🐷 the hell did I do?
Communism good, anything else: Zionist pig.
It must be bliss to live with such a simplistic world view. Or is papa Putin paying you?
But this is literally how western media and leaders are portraying this. All bombs are bad, NATO or Russia or China or Iran or Israel I don’t care. And fuck Israeli bombs in particular where and why would bombs by a colonial entity committing genocide ever be necessary wtf?
Western media is portraying Israeli bombs as good? Who? Fox doesn’t count.
It’s just American, Israeli and other (extreme) right wing media. So it’s not “western media”.
And no, bombs on an actual terrorist’s head are good bombs. A bomb on Hitler’s ass (like the attempted “Valkyrie” bombing) would have been a damn near perfect bomb.
And as for the Israeli bombs – and as I told the other guy – try to read what I actually said and not what you expect to read based on your prejudices.
yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.
That’s what you said and that’s why I responded to.
And where did it say the genocide bombs are good exactly?
some pissrahelli bombs were necessary in the past
there
I know what I wrote, which, incidentally, is not that.
But no, not there. Try again.
It’s a shitposting community. It’s irony.
With statements like this:some Israeli bombs may have been necessary
it seems that you are the deranged one.
How so? And please finish the quote and not just the part that you need to make a disingenuous statement.
Lol Israeli and NATO bombs were necessary? Man, may God forgive you for your lack of humanity and overall ignorance.
Try to read the sentence again. Slowly.
Ah yes, because you are so smart and everyone who calls you out is stupid.
But I did and you’re just pushing Western imperialist propaganda, what’s going on here? Israel is literally a Western colony that destabilises the rest of the region and is genociding the locals, the West has done nothing but terrorise the world for hundreds of years… Are you denying this or what?
Western imperialist propaganda,
Ok, tankie.
I know you just learned this word and are very excited to use it but try to stay on topic.
Ok, tankie.
Ok tankie
Being called a tankie by smug liberals on Lemmy.world is a badge of honour. Wear it with pride 👍🏻
Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately. Plus the whole invading a neighbor, murdering the people and stealing the land.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Any point you might’ve had about land acquisition, separatism, or imperialism, is pretty hard invalidated by this comparison. Like, why add Bush as a qualifier?
To prevent tankies from accusing me of US bias.
Not helping your credibility
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Genuinely not defending Russia here, but Dubya’s pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was if anything even flimsier than the “justification” for the Ukraine invasion, and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.
The estimates I’ve seen are 300.000 killed in Iraq. There’s more Russians killed alone than that, let alone Ukrainian military and civilian casualties…
Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I’ve seen credible estimates as high as 6.
And I think in this situation we’d only really be comparing Ukrainian casualties to them.
Just 15172 civilians killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That’s the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.
because I don’t want political shit in my shitpost comm
There’s other places to post this shit
Too bad
This indeed ☝🏻
You’re allowed to be antisemitic now as long as you use the word “zionist” instead of “jew”.
Nobody has ever used this one weird trick before ever, so it’s sure to trick everyone! Just remember to use the word “genocide” as many times as you can when someone calls you out for antisemitism. Bonus points if you say “Ackshually the
jewszionists are the nazis!” That’s super original and you automatically win every argument when you compare a group of people with the nazis.Then you can go about making conspiracy theories about the
jewszionists controlling the media, being the secret puppet masters of the world, etc. all you want!Bad take.
- Antisemitism is not anti-zionism in any way. One is the dislike of Jewish people and the other is a dislike of a certain sector of people, who need not be Jewish at all. In fact, most zionists are Christian. But I know that you already know that.
- Semites are literally Palestinian people, not Israelis.
“certain sector of people”
Hmmmm… which sector of people would that be? Oh I’m sure you believe there’s “some good ones” when you think about Jews.
Semites are literally Palestinian people, not Israelis.
So you don’t even recognize Jews exist now? You’ve erased the entire Jewish identity from your mind in your rationalizations of how you’re not antisemitic? That’s really disturbing.
It’s the sector of people that want to colonize Palestine, genocide the natives and create an ethnostate. That sector of people.
Yes, that sector.
This isn’t a cryptic mystery here. This isn’t anti semitic. Are you saying all Jews are zionists
What? No, I’m actually saying the exact opposite. I’m the one who informed spacecowboy that most zionists are Christian.
WTF is going on here. Lol
The sector that supports active genocide of Palestinian people.
Once again…most zionists are Christian. I honestly believe that you know exactly what I am saying and are trying to twist my words into something else that would fit your narrative using semantics.
And yes, I have absolutely erased Jewish identity, in my own mind. I am Hitler, in my own mind and I am trying to detach from the guilt I feel, in my own mind. Congrats. You figured me out!
You win a prize!
How do you feel about the “sector of people” that supports the genocide of Jews? Sectors like Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and the Ayatollah of Iran. Whoops, scratch that last one!
I respect the Jewish faith, and think genocide is wrong and should be stopped.
Call me an antisemite now, fuckface.
I dont respect any abrahamic religion. Look what they have brought to the world.
I dont respect any abrahamic religion
~ Christopher Hitchens, explaining why we should invade Iraq
And don’t forget about people of Jewish ethnicity who are not religious. I respect them too, though I oppose Israel’s genocide.
In your mind: How many elementary schools can a nation bomb before we’re allowed to say that nation’s government is evil and should be eliminated?
Because Israel is constantly targeting and killing women and children, and you’re…ok with that? Please explain.
How many protesters can the Ayatollah execute before you’ll admit the Iranian government is evil and should be eliminated?
You’re arguing regime change is necessary when a government is evil. Iran’s government has killed tens of thousands of people in the last few months. So do you agree Iran’s regime is evil? How are you deciding which regime is evil and “should be eliminated”? Does it have anything to do with the predominate ethnicity of the countries being discussed?
I did not argue that regime change is necessary. I didn’t say a goddamn thing about regime change.
What I said was a direct question, and your dishonest ass couldn’t answer it.
So I will repeat it: HOW MANY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN IS ISRAEL ALLOWED TO MURDER BEFORE YOU’LL BE AGAINST IT?
Answer the goddamn question I asked or leave me alone.
I uh… what? Is this a joke?
I don’t know you tell me. Are the current efforts to zionist wash all of the old antisemitic tropes a joke? I’d think after a bunch of Jews got massacred in Australia y’all would realize antisemitism is real, it’s global, and maybe it’s not a joke.
I dont think there’s a single person here that would say antisemitism is fake. But a blanket “Your an antisemitic a-hole” for anyone that has a differing opinion is literally the same thing, just with religion removed.
Im not saying thats what you are doing, because both your comment and reply have deeply confused me. I dont like to assume withiut at least some level of confirmation, and I never got my answer anyway…
Aggressive bomb definitely bad, defensive bomb probably impossible, preemptive bomb difficult to distinguish from aggressive bomb
Oops, all bad bombs.
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