All of these issues are from today.
Vscode release notes used to be exciting. Now it’s 70% ”Assistant” improvements. Then you finally get to the next chapter and it’s all like
Terminal
- Added terminal support for Assistant…
Yeah, I thought that, too. But to be fair, I can’t think of any missing feature.
Your screenshot failed. Half way through it starts repeating. See the worst tickets in there: “Stopped working”.
Image gone 🤕 Did Microslop slopify VSCode?
The image isn’t gone, that hosting server just flat out refuses connections from certain IPs. See if this works for you - https://i.imgur.com/ReCjF8k.jpeg. I’ve heard that Imgur is not accessible in the UK, but Lemmy doesn’t let me upload it because it’s “too tall”.
Did Microslop slopify VSCode?
A long time ago.
Thanks. I had to use a VPN. No idea why it’s banning my IP. There can’t be too many people in this building using the fediverse.
Kate has a LSP plugin.
I never once understood why people want to write code in a browser that isn’t even the same instance as the one they likely already have open. I can’t understand the mindset of a person who wants JavaScript to power the tools they use. Is it because they hate their hardware? Or the environment?
IDE in general are not that good.
VSCode has a lot of of expansions, enabling a developer to stay in the same environment for any language they code in.
So if you have a multi-language setup, you can do everything in the same IDE.
I work with embedded firmware, and let me tell you that VSCode is miles ahead from manufacturer tools.
I personally don’t use VSCode because microcontroller manufacturer tools usually come with a repeatable easy to install environment, so I can easily handoff the projects to my clients.
But if you ship code and don’t have to ship the environment, VSCode is a good allrounder that can do pretty much anything.
With that said, use VSCodium instead. At least, it removes the analytics from the IDE.
I started with Visual Studio at work, and I just love VSCode by comparison, idk why but it feels so much easier to work with after I got the hang of it.
I never really used Visual Studio. The few times I had to, it felt like a bloated VSCode.
Because it’s a well-made, useful, simple but extensible program? I really don’t care if it’s “a browser” (it’s not, just part of one). And it being not just a tab in my existing browser lets it do critical IDE things like write files and open a terminal (and be easier to find and differentiate from my research, product management, and testing tabs).
I hate the environment, that’s why I use vscode. After a long day outside, rolling coal on my 6x6 and littering out in nature, I come home and relax by turning on vscode and let it idle as I throw old tires in the fireplace. If you hate the environment like I do, use vscode.
What do you use for web development?
Never had this issue with neovim :3
You might in the future. Both vim and neovim are accepting genAI code contributions. There’s a vim-classic fork around, but it is “rolled back” to pre-vimscript9.
showing off your 12k monitor, eh?
VSCode
Found the issue
Helix is nice, speaking of which.
Helix for terminal has been fantastic; I like GUIs so for me Zed is my “S-Tier”.
Yes, Zed allows you to turn off the Agentic LLM integration off in
settings.json:{ "disable_ai": true }I believe upvoting isn’t enough
Helix ROCKS
Yeah baby! 👊
Shout out helix!! Big fan!
🧬❤️ Yeah!
Doesn’t seem like much of a VSCode replacement though since it is terminal based
I replaced VS Code for me on every way I used it, both at work at at home. Been using it professionally for about two years now. It has LSP support, code actions, local and global symbol jumping, jumping to definition, etc, etc, etc. All I need to be productive without the use of AI. 👍👍 (Maybe there’s even a way to use AI with it as well, but idgaf about that.)
For the record, TUI applications can definitely do a good job of replacing GUI applications. It is not inherent to the terminal that it can’t.
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought it was inherent to the terminal that you can’t position the cursor and select text using the mouse, and also inherent that there are not right-click menus.
If you don’t want to use a mouse in your code editor that’s a valid preference, but these are very different styles of programs and exist in separate categories. Personally I was using Atom before I was using VSCodium, and I really like most design choices of the latter, it’s basically everything I always wanted an IDE to be like. Don’t want to stop using the mouse.
If you have htop installed, run it in a terminal and click, for instance, the column headers.
it was inherent to the terminal that you can’t position the cursor and select text using the mouse, and also inherent that there are not right-click menus
There may be terminals for which that is a limitation, but with neovim in konsole, I can (left) click to move the cursor or select text and right-click to get a contextual menu.
Separately, the TUI libary we use for RESTMan is Brick and does support mouse events. IIRC we only support mouse-wheel scrolling, but there’s a lot more that is possible.
So, I think it might worth your time to try some TUI alternatives to your GUI environment.
Your larger point that TUI can’t fully replace GUI stands, at least IMO. Even for plain text formats (e.g. dotty) that I want to edit with a fixed-width font, an image (pre)view can be essential to some tasks. I don’t usually find that’s true for coding tasks, but design docs often benefit from charts.
Helix, just as Kakoune before it, supports multiple cursor selections, even off-screen. 👍 Mouse selections are also not a problem. NeoVim also has support for mouse selection.
Feel free to try it out! Setting up LSPs requires some setup work, but if you just want to try out the editing paradigm, you can just try to edit a plain text file to get a feel for it.
Programms can print special codes to position the cursor wherever and they can also enable mouse events. Helix does support selecting with mouse
I’ll have to check it out, I heard Zed is great too
Zed even has Helix bindings! But I recommend Gram, in that case, which is a fork of Zed with all the AI bullshit ripped out. 👍👊
Yeah but I am using the AI bullshit so that wouldn’t be a plus
Oh. Ouch. Then I wish you good luck in finding a better alternative than VS Code! 🖖
Thanks fam
You are ruining the velocity! How are they supposed to tell shareholders they’re delivering faster than humans, if they keep getting bogged down with issues!? Everyone, stop opening issues!
I thought that was a CVS receipt
VSC and CVS are anagrams of each other after all
Vscodium
Microslop without connections.
Didn’t know all of them, thanks for sharing! Also stumbled upon Helix, which looks pretty neat
I checked out Lapce and I like it a lot, but I can’t really live without my Jupyter Notebook extension 😕
Practically speaking, why would you pick Gram over Zed? I mean actual advantages
Zed is on the typical VC tech company path, which we all know can only end in one way: enshitification.
You know, It’s time I play with VSCodium again.
I used it for a long time but ended up having issues with the SSH plugin and the Python support that forced me to go back to regular VSCode. But that was so long ago they surely fixed it by now…Just be aware MS did the MS thing of not permitting some plugins to work on non vscode installations like the corporate dicks they are.
they do? i always just downloaded the .vsix file and installed manually that way.
i’m fairly certain there’s also a patch to enable the marketplace properly on vscodium. i think i used it when i still used arch.
Not all addons allow you to download a vsix though.
what did you use instead, especially for Python?
I asked in a random thread about linux IDEs, thinking there’d be several to the level of VSCode and didn’t find anything recommended that was particularly new, and ended up using pulsar for taking notes (it keeps sessions with “unsaved” files somewhere so I just dump stuff into there, manages searches of file contents from certain folders like VS code) and VS Codium for development (it has ctrl+click to find usages/takes to declerations) , but I haven’t gotten python integration working on there, and would like to try something new out.
I don’t want to use Kate or NeoVim since I want a GUI and integration with “compilers”/interpreters by using buttons and such, but I haven’t found anything that doesn’t seem like its from the late 90s early 00s, which doesn’t work with my shitty eyes and 1080 displays.
PyCharm? Spacemacs ? Both work fine as Python IDEs (so can neovim, but it does’t have a GUI)
Not who you’re asking, but weighing in anyways. I use VSCodium for C# and Python development on Linux. Only extensions I needed was ms-python.python, ms-python.debugpy, and I use ms-python.vscode-python-envs
For c# it’s dotrush only.
All works. Step through debugging all works, no issues.
I’ve been using zed, it has solid python integration and is way faster than vscode (oss or otherwise). I believe python debugging is supported now, but it’s not quite as advanced as PyCharm.
As I said, I didn’t find an alternative, ended up just going back to regular Microsoft VSCode, I’ll poke around VSCodium again and see if I can get Python to work as I’m expecting it to.
I suppose there is PyCharm Community Edition but I haven’t really used it enough to recommend. It also feels like Jetbrains IDEs end up being heavier than Electron, somehow. Depending on your use it might be overkill.
I also know there’s that super hyped Rust based one called Zed that’s supposed to be really lightweight and fast, but who knows if they’re even focusing on that anymore given their whole homepage is now AI AI AI…Thanks for the picture of the landscape, I guess for my dad tier motives I’ll just stick to what I have.
I even have fancy project based theming to stop me from getting confused in my old age.
vscodium is pretty compared to the first-party vscode builds. i forget the exact details, i think i was having issues with the dev container plugins not working at all.
i’ve been using zed.dev with all of the AI features turned off and its been nice. it’s probably a matter of time before they enshittify too, but for now i’m enjoying it.
Don’t ask me how it’s named but I believe there was a fork of the project relatively recently in reaction due to some AI stuff they did.
The fork has all AI features scrubbed out
Last time I said “No! This is getting silly!” and decided to try all those language-server GUI text editors I lost a couple of weeks and decided to nuke my emacs config and make LSP actually work there instead.
Thats pretty impressive it it was that bad it generated that many reports.
Id only expect to see that in a alpha channel for those excited to try something new.
The red color in the syntax highlighting is the most annoying for me
How I can learn???
