• Ms. ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip
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    1 day ago

    My mom got a small dog some years back. The first time I saw it I got to hold them, very cute. Well I’m used to having cats. So when they wanted down I just sorta tossed them to the side x.x Never felt so bad in my life hearing them hit the ground 😭

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      I did the same thing with my tiny 1lb puppy the day we got his little precious ass. I have two cats. He was kicking trying to wiggle and hop around so I just … let go … like I would with my cats. He squealed and I cried. He was okay but my god I have never forgiven myself. Never will.

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      Different people have different hip hinge angles depending on their genetics/morphology. So some people can have a lot more upright back angle while some will almost look horizontal at start. So long as the spinal erector muscles are rigid, and there is minimal flexion of the spine during the lift, then the lifting force itself will be predominantly coming from the hamstrings not the spinal muscles. The back muscles will be worked, but working to remain rigid and not to move the weight itself.

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        My hip hinges are fucked. Is that the right term? Hip hinge… I always thought itbwas called my hip flexor… I need some exercises to loosen my hips either way dammit.

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          Hip hinge angle is the angle at which you will have to bend over to grab the barbell. Depending on your skeleton morphology you could have a near horizontal back when grabbing the bar. On the other extreme you will sometimes see lifters with an almost straight upright back lifting. Most people are so where in between that angle though.

          Your hip flexor is a muscle group connecting your torso to your upper leg skeleton. These help to either lift/flex your legs or torso depending on which is stationary. Deadlifts can work the hip flexors, but a better exercise would be something like leg raises, lunges, or even squats as those exercises would target more of the front leg muscles. Good luck!

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              Ah. You’re right. It’s not obvious.

              You seem to care about truth, validity, and honesty.

              I know trusting a stranger on the internet sounds absurd. But is it really impossible for someone to have had a coincidence in their day? Or for someone to really like something and share it?

              Here’s what it ultimately comes down to: would you distrust me if I didn’t say it was obvious and I simply promised? What if it’s a digital pinky promise? What if it’s a digital double pinky promise?

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      The idea that you should lift with your legs instead of your back is, to put it bluntly, fucking retarded. It is some made up corporate slop from the 90s where they didn’t want office workers to call in workers comp when their backs seized up trying to pick up a paperclip off the floor.

      Deadlifting reasonable loads with good form and adequate recovery is one of the best things you can do for long term back health, because it makes your back stronger. If you work up to a 2x bodyweight deadlift (which is considered the standard in a broad number of sports to be considered reasonably athletic), and then just go into the gym once or twice a week and maintain that standard for the rest of your life, then the odds that you will tweak your back picking up a paperclip are quite small.

      In lifting circles, the round back deadlift or deadlifting when there is spinal flexion or extension tends to get a lot of hate. But again, Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands rules - if you are lifting reasonable loads and allowing for adequate recovery between sets and training sessions, our expectation is that these “bad” lifts will actually make you stronger and more resiliant to injury in the future. If you want to be a world class strongman competitor, then you may very well tear up your back maxing out on the atlas stones. But if you train within your limits without ego, then you can include atlas stone lifts in your training for many years and reap the rewards of having a back that is strong and healthy not just in the straight-backed traditional deadlift position, but also in the more awkward curved position that the atlas stone demands.

      And all this is clearly very reasonable, since your body evolved to handle real life, which does not confine itself to the laboratory-like conditions of deadlifting a barbell - let alone the corporate cartoon description of lifting paperclips put up in your office breakroom. For literally millions of years, humans have been lifting heavy rocks overhead to build shelters, scooping up writhing toddlers off the ground, and wrestling aligators onto land for a meal. The hip hinge is the most powerful movement in the human repertoire, and the idea that it is bad for you to do it is ridiculous.

      Sure, we can sit here on the internet and critique her form in this way or that. But at the end of the day, she is lifting an awkward load a single time as a sort of circus trick, so it doesn’t matter. Good Lift!

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        I wouldn’t say you are wrong about the rounded back, but I would say that someone who hasn’t lifted atlas stones shouldn’t start with that. Learning the “correct” deadlift form to learn bracing and to strengthen their back/legs from years of not doing strict back workouts would be advantageous before going to town on a 50 kg stone. But yes, get to lifting now and feel less pain later!

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          I have two thoughts here.

          One is that I definitely agree - getting strong in the conventional dead is definitely a logical starting point, and I would 100% recommend that path to someone new to lifting.

          But I also want to generally push back against the idea of human frailty which seems to have become quite pervasive in our society. I think if someone is really inspired by strongman competitions, and if that is what is going to get them into exercising, then we shouldn’t discourage them… just reasonably caution them. After all, no one says you need to hit a certain deadlift number before you start, say, practicing jujitsu, where a lot of what you will be doing is bearhugging a heavy object and doing concentric and eccentric spinal extensions. Or if a friend says “hey, help me move this awkward cabinet”, I don’t think your response should be “sorry, my deads are only at 185, so I don’t want to lift awkward objects yet”.

          I think being part of a good community or having a good instructor can help a lot here, helping the newbie differentiate between reasonable and fun try-hard, and try-hard that is likely to result in injury.

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        15 hours ago

        Go work slinging boxes for 10 hours a day in a warehouse job and lift with your back, then let us all know how that works out for you.

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          Note where I said “with adequate recovery”. Continuously performing the same heavy movement for 10 hours per day 5 or 6 or 7 days per week is probably going to tear you up in the long term no matter what.

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        You are getting downvoted by alts. Zeroconnection, feddedup and Ribbid are all the same person. He follows me and mass downvotes me so I figured I’d let you know since you are collateral.

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      Deadlifting is safe for your back.
      Anecdotally even deadlifting with a curved back is safe.

      I’m not actually sure why lifting with your back when moving houses and such is bad for you.

      I hurt my back more squatting with bad mobility and form and never had problems deadlifting.

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        Spines are mobile in three axes: extension/flexion (front to back), rotation, and lateral flexion. (side to side) For a lot of people, deadlifts can involve some extension and flexion and remain safe so long as there’s no rotation or lateral flexion. It’s ideal if the flexion/extension stays consistent through the motion (even if it’s not completely neutral)

        That’s why it’s possible to safely deadlift 500lb then go home and throw out your back putting a 50lb box on a shelf at your side. It’s possible to train yourself to lift from awkward spinal positions safely, but it requires starting at a lighter weight and progressing carefully. Gladiator deadlifts are a neat way of introducing flexion + rotation.

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        I think it’s the way the weight is distributed. It’s easier to keep a barbell closer to your center of gravity, so picking up a more awkward load causes you to activate your back more.

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      She’s not lifting yet, she’s just positioning herself and getting a good grip. I usually do this bending down too, once I have a good grip, I get into a good lifting position.

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      I don’t lift but the back shouldn’t be moving. That’s what the lifting belt is for. While it does take a lot of core muscles to do this, i think it is mostly ass and leg muscles doing the movement.

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        Actually a deadlift with proper form heavily activates the lower back. That’s pretty much what it’s for, to strengthen your back. The whole posterior chain gets some activation, but the lower back gets the bulk of it.