• 7rokhym@lemmy.ca
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    In corporate environment, add Crowdstrike, Zscaler, windows instrumentation, and then some digital experience management solution to report on why apps are so slow, battery life is still only a few hours while it heats the room while sitting ‘idle’, or trying to render a file explorer window with 20 cores and 32 GB of RAM. Did I mention there are updates and you MUST REBOOT NOW, forget that you are presenting to a client.

    Almost as offensive as Dell laptop keyboards on their corpo laptops. Ugh.

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      Sounds like your IT doesn’t know how to properly orchestrate updates.

      Best way to do it in a Windows enterprise environment that I’ve seen so far:

      • 1 Week: Install in the background silently and finish when the machine reboots.
      • After the week, 2 Days: Warn once that the machine will automatically reboot in 48 hours.
      • 12 hours before forced reboot: Pop up a warning in the corner with the countdown before reboot. Options are reboot now or warn me again in X hours. If you dismiss it without selecting, it pops up again in an hour.

      If your Windows machine hasn’t rebooted in a week and a half, of course you’re going to have performance issues. What, you expect devs to avoid memory leaks?

      That all said, the amount of Windows sysadmins who haven’t entirely given up on wrestling Microsoft’s update bullshittery is shrinking every day.

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    No thats 45 min. 30 sec is way before you finally get the usb to boot on the 3rd time flashing it. Then you find out you need to look up the latest hacky shit needed to make an offline account

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    Don’t worry, they’ll release Windows 12 / Aion, which is basically Edge + Copilot OS. Can’t wait for that to be released.

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    Literally tried to install windows 11 for our office machines last week.

    • installed
    • extremely slow and laggy
    • check process manager
    • just takes 3.7GB to boot up
    • Uninstall and install win10 IoT LTSC and debloat it immediately

    unfortunately Linux isn’t yet an option because of microsoft office.

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      I don’t expect the office apps to continue supporting ltsc tbh, so hopefully it lasts long enough for you.

      Windows does aggressive caching now but will clear that if the memory is needed so I often find the in use value to not be as useful of an indicator now.

      I will say if that was a 4gb machine I don’t expect it will run 11 that well, we now will only ok 16gb computers. Not just for windows, but chrome et al all have ridiculous memory usage now.

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      I use a debloated Win11 image for the situations I can’t get around it. Still much more resource intensive than Linux, but it’s something.

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      Interestingly, the web 365 apps seem to work on Linux Mint, but I’ve not used them extensively, or on another distro. I did a migration from Win10 to LM last autumn, and I was genuinely shocked to find that web Outlook and OneDrive work on Firefox on LM. Confirmed that web Excel and Word worked enough to allow display and editing of documents - not an extensive test, but definitely worth a look. Obviously, there are still differences between the web and desktop versions, but it might even be possible to run them under Wine, but I have not tried that, and woudn’t expect it to go too well tbh.

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        The web versions aren’t really professional enough for office usage afaik (and we don’t really “buy” microsoft products. And the web version doesn’t work that way afaik)

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    I have a real question here. Loops is on the fediverse. Can you not embed video from there, or is OP unwilling to do that for whatever reason?

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      Embed videos from where?

      Lemmy doesn’t support video hosting. In the past I’ve used catbox.moe but had mixed results with video not uploading easily, users not being able to view them, and it just wasn’t great. So now since Loops is on ActivityPub I’ve been using them now.

      I’m using Mlem which loads the videos automatically as part of the posts just like gifs. Just now thought to check Voyager, and it appears that it shows it as a link to be opened in the internal browser, so I’m guessing apps showing that behavior is probably why you’re asking.

      I mean if I find a better alternative I’m all for it.

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      You can crosspost, but I don’t know how well lemmy interacts with it. It has major problems interacting with peertube and mastodon.

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    I mean, my first 30 seconds of experiencing Windows 11 was watching a coworker wait for the file manager to open + render its toolbar, so I don’t think I could’ve really come to a different conclusion…

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    Can confirm. I used Linux and Unix almost exclusively for about 20 years, and when I more recently had to use Windoze again for work, this is pretty much what happened.

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      Me too, fam :(

      5pm signals the end of my working day serving capitalism, but also i can go back to using FOSS

      Double relief

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        11 hours ago

        Besides solidworks, there isn’t anything I do that requires mf’ing windows. I could spin up a vm for solidworks. I hate it.

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          same. but no solidwork. Just oracle databases being migrated into MS fabric.

          fuck, we hate oracle’s frying pan, so let’s jump into the nearest (slightly cheaper) fire.

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    The last straw for me was when Windows kept overwriting my boot loader. Fixed it by blowing away the Windows partition. Thanks for playing, we have a lovely parting gift for you!

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      I’ve had the same dual boot configuration since around 2018 and this never happens to me, yet I keep reading that it happens to others. I really wonder what I did differently.

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        I’ve never ran a dual boot setup but from what I read having windows and Linux on separate physical drives is what makes sure windows won’t Bork the Linux boot partition

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          That’s not it, I have both operating system partitions on my Samsung 970 Evo, and they both share a 100MB EFI System Partition, on that same disk.

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        Microsoft does different things in different regions and different things in different versions of Windows. Even for the same version in the same region, they may be running an A/B test on you.

        (It also may depend on exactly how you’ve set up your bootloader – EFI or MBR, whether it’s on the same physical drive as the Windows partition or not, etc.)

        But just because it hasn’t happened to you doesn’t mean that it hasn’t happened to others.

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      It overwrote my luks master keys and that was the last straw. The bootloader installed to multiple data drives was just icing on the cake.

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      i very much prefer separate boxes, but i do have one dual boot system, and i let windows do it instead of grub. it sucks, basically booting windows up just to get the boot menu to switch to linux, but hey. it works. even survived an 8->11 ‘upgrade’ intact.

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        If I had to dual boot, I’d be doing it with hot-swappable drives in enclosure bays. The Linux system drive would never be physically attached to the computer when Windows was running. Windows would have no way to even know it was being dual booted.

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        But Microsoft removed the “start Linux” option from their bootloader in windows 10 and higher when booting in EFI mode. Maybe you’re still booting in CSM mode and you patched w11 to allow this? (W11 doesn’t support csm mode)

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          You must have missed that the Windows version/implementation of SecureBoot … and/or BitLocker… have had various NSA backdoors for years.

          Thats why shit seems to keep breaking in new crazy ways: Whoops, that backdoor got found out, time to rollout a new one, via a Windows update, that can overwrite your bootsector, on its own, whenever it wants to.

          They keep fucking with the bootloader and breaking most dual boot configs because they don’t like the idea that they will not always be able to tap your computer via a secret warrant issued by a secret court.

          You can’t build in a backdoor as a reliable method of spying on people, because people who aren’t supposed to know its there will figure it out in… not actually very much time.

          There are very good reasons why huge chunks of the EU has their government agencies throwing out Windows.

          Google locking down Android is the same thing.