I mean by useless is it’s so slow you can’t make games or even big projects for GUI, only you can do is AI/ML, Data Science, and basic stuff. I think Rust is better because of its speed and language capabilities?
…Have you tried ML projects in Rust?
I mean, ML/data science devs use Python because the bajillion underlying libraries and implementations are already there.
It’s not perfect. But that’s fine, because it’s a pretty good prototyping language for researchers, and anything performance sensitive is done in libraries anyway.
If you want a real world example, see: Mistral.rs vs vllm.
PyTorch in particular is literally just a dispatching front end for CUDA anyway. It’s actually an incredibly powerful tool for GPGPU development, and you will struggle to make faster GPU DSP by hand.
People making these arguments are just incredibly out of date. You can basically use python to trace super optimized GPU compute kernels and then drop them into whatever language you want via torchscript, onnx, trt, whatever.
you can’t make games or even big projects for GUI
Oh no? Someone should probably tell the people who made Eve Online.
And plenty more games are mainly or partially using python like Civ 4, DDLC, World of Tanks or Guild Wars
i think a key consideration is wether there are alot of developer for the lang.
a foss project will grow faster if its written in rust,js,cpp,pythonNo games? Mount and Blade was written in python
Was it though? Or is it like other things “written in Python” where all of the heavy work is handled by C libraries?
Python itself is just a program written in c, every time you do
len(string)you are calling out of the python interpreter into compiled c code. The distinction between python wrapped c library and a python lib can be fuzzy.
Python obviously isn’t useless, but it is both slow, and if you’re making serious software, the worst developer experience I’ve ever had to deal with. It makes the easy things easy and the hard things hard, so to speak
Betteridge’s law of headlines:
Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no
Demonstrably false, there are many cases where the answer is yes… it’s just that there’s also a lot of no.
Obviously. It is, however, a good heuristic. The headlines that can be answered in the affirmative are very much in the minority
Saying one programming language is better than another is ignorant; it’s like arguing a screwdriver is better than a wrench.
Each language has their strengths and weaknesses that make them better at some tasks and worse at other. Python’s strength is ease of development. Performance isn’t a big concern if you just want to quickly develop the app you want.
Rust might be more performant, but if development takes twice as long and the app only runs once or a few times, that benefit is unrealized.
Please point at the strengths of BASIC and Forth over, let’s say, C++.
You can finish learning basic or Fortran. You will still be learning cpp in a decade.
“Python’s strength is ease of development”
That’s what I usually see with Python. I think that’s the reason people should choose it.
“Performance isn’t a big concern if you just want to quickly develop the app you want.”
You’re correct with that, but if your project is to make a touch screen app for fast food restaurant, now you’re wrong because of Python’s performance.
Python is very much “good enough” for that kind of environment. The touch screen drivers on the other hand, yes, should probably be rust/c.
Yeah, I’ve heard C is used for this kind of stuff, maybe also rust.
No. Next question.
(insert spongebob meme showing the fat dude a bunch of big python projects upon which many things run in this world)
I don’t like python personally, but saying its useless is quite far detached from reality considering all the python projects.
You can argue its slow and i would agree, but if people make alot of stuff with it its clearly not useless.
A programing language cannot be better than another one because its personal opinion.
if people make alot of stuff with it its clearly not useless
You’re correct, but we cannot avoid that it’s limites to basic stuff, you can’t make a facebook with pytho with good speed.
Originally Facebook was made with php…
99.9999% of projects will never need to reach the scale of Facebook
I mean I’m posting from PyLova (Python-based and it’s been mostly good. I was truly skeptical of the viability of a Python-based Fediverse platform when PieFed first dropped, and I’m still skeptical of Python over Rust from a purely technical perspective, but it’s been smooth sailing on this instance so far 🤷
Yes. I dunno about Rust, but Julia is a very similar to Python but much better.
But does anyone use Julia?
It’s very popular in scientific computing
