It’s time for Canadians to start referring to California’s governor as the President of California, and refer to California itself as the country of California. Even Californians are now doing that.
Congressman Eric Swalwell, a candidate for Governor of California, recently referred to California as “the greatest country in the world.” CalExit.Now concurs with the substance of that claim. CalExit.Now will continue to advance California sovereignty as the governing framework most capable of delivering outcomes that Californians consistently demand.
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SACRAMENTO, Calif., March 12, 2026 /PRNewswire/ – CalExit.Now, the movement advocating for California sovereignty, today released a statement marking a historic shift in statewide public opinion. A recent California poll reports that, for the first time since polling on this question began, a majority of Californians now either strongly support, or do not oppose, pursuing California sovereignty. The combined figure stands at 51 percent.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/calexit-now-announces-majority-support-100000068.html
Who knew Trump took Canadian Bacon (the movie) so seriously.
I’m in California, Canada - please annex us. We can draw up a map of the places you should leave behind. You know, the conservative ones.
The problem being we only have a slightly larger population, so it’d be pretty close to you annexing us. That’s not really the end of the world, TBH, but for many Canadians it would be a dealbreaker. Cutting off the rural bits would help, but not much since they’re rural (and, honestly, we could use some domestic produce growing, anyway).
It’s just one of the biggest states in one of the most populous countries.
Convince Oregon and Washington to come too, I want to be able to drive to my new vacation spot.
Hey, California – wake up!!! You do not need to be part of Canada to survive. Your economy is already fifth in the entire world, of all other countries, in GDP. Far ahead of Canada. You would 100% survive and prosper. Once you stop sending you’re hard-earned tax dollars to Washington, but instead fund everything Washington funds with your own tax dollars, you are still billions of dollars ahead. By any measure, California is a lot better off as an independent country than as a US state.
You already have a credible National Guard air and land force that would for the basis of a defense force.
The referendum in 2028 can make or break your future.
SACRAMENTO, Calif., March 12, 2026 /PRNewswire/ – CalExit.Now, the movement advocating for California sovereignty, today released a statement marking a historic shift in statewide public opinion. A recent California poll reports that, for the first time since polling on this question began, a majority of Californians now either strongly support, or do not oppose, pursuing California sovereignty. The combined figure stands at 51 percent.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/calexit-now-announces-majority-support-100000068.html
It’s one American in particular pushing it, so it’s a bit funny to use plural, but yes, he means it.
The president represents the country.
Yeah, there is that legal fiction, and typical way of looking at things, so it’s not an incorrect phrasing. It’s just kinda funny.
Nah he represents it
as article points out: that one person is supported by a whole class of Americans - the billionaires. And those in turn are supported by not insignificant portion of American population. So plural is very apropos here.
Pretty much all buisnesspeople hate the trade war, and trade protectionism in general.
businesspeople differ from billionaires in that they don’t get to impact policies and they don’t run multinationals milking both sides of the border
And 1/3 follow without reservation.
And another 1/3 don’t care what happens.
As is tradition.
This isn’t even like an objective of the whole MAGA movement, though. Maybe they’ll manage to drum up more support over time, but right now, it’s the fuhrer’s vanity project. So, that doesn’t really count as “being serious about it”, for the rest of them.
And i am very serious about killing any doodle who sets foot in this country with that intent.
I don’t care if i die.
I am not living undet the rule of people who worship curtis yarvin.
MAGA dipshits severely underestimate how many Canadians would actually enjoy taking a break from the rat race to repel invaders.
Asymmetrical warfare is our thing
That and inventing new war crimes.
They’re not war crimes the first time
Everybody needs a hobby.
Because every war you’ve ever been in was asymmetrical?
I kid, I kid…
Yupp…
Act 1 US war of independence founded modern Canada because a) the quebecois ever fearful of cultural erasure, ever relevant today given those US demands, b) those not in favour of a racist dictatorship (yes the anglosphere was turning their backs on a monster they helped create), my family moved to loyalist country, fitting, and c) Britain’s desire to legitimize presence by recognizing first nations,… founded canada. The US invaded thinking we would join but Quebec and the indigenous wanted nothing to do with that genocidal regime. An asymetrical response ended American interests.
Act 2 The war of 1812, the US claims they kinda won because they genocided the Iroquois nation and paved a way for continental-scale genocide … but another goal was conquest of Canada. A goal they failed on every county…britain, its loyalists, and later founders of Canada fought back and said fuck you. Canada 100% repelled the US invasion using asymmetrical warfare.
Act 3 Fuck around and find out.
As an Oregonian, I’d like to fight the US along side you.
I think they’d find out Washington Stste, Minnesota, Michigan, Maine, Vermont, New York and probably Massachusetts, California and Oregon would all join Canadian resistance.
You forgot New Hampshire
You mean north Tennessee? I wouldn’t count on them.
Act 2 the US claims they kinda won? Is that not the war that is not taught in schools down there because Canada got shit faced and burnt down the white house.
Oh they teach it in schools, but they leave that part out. It is framed as a US victory due to hype and cope
We were in the big wars (the whole time!), but yes, since then it’s been helping someone else do COIN.
I don’t think you can say that if you’ve never been invaded/occupied by a superior army.
Maybe come over to vietnam and go to some museums or talk to some people if you want to know what asym warfare is like.
Yes, Canadians have no idea what it’s like. We’ve seen even less ugliness than Americans, and when this whole thing started, we had to go to hockey for martial metaphors.
Living in a warzone is a learning curve you can go up fast, though, because you have no choice.
I know someone who served in the Canadian Armed Forces and did a tour diffusing IEDs in Afghanistan. I’m pretty sure he knows how to build one if it came to that.
Americans don’t recognize that Canadians actually did go to Afghanistan. It’s not just Hockey metaphors, people in Canada actually do know the tactics the US military has a difficult time dealing with. That’s because our soldiers had to deal with those same tactics when fighting alongside Americans for two fucking decades. If the US decides to betray Canada they will soon be reminded that Canadians were in Afghanistan and what was learned there.
Yeah, combat vets, relief workers and refugees are not included. Even just being from a family with those backgrounds teaches you a bit about how the world really works, when push comes to shove, speaking from experience.
The average Canadian on the street lacks the experience to understand, though. Even more than that, there’s been a kind of resistance to understanding it, because it’s easier and cleaner not to.
If OP thinks guerilla warfare is a vacation, they probably don’t know what they don’t know.
It’s also worth noting that Canada has a land border with the USA. They can also pass as generic American, if required.
Asymmetric warfare wouldn’t only be focused in Canada. E.g. a coordinated set of drone strikes could basically shatter large portions of the American power grid. There are too many soft, unmanned targets to viably protect, and the lead time of spares is measured in months to years, on some parts.
Do you not remember covid? Your treatlerites rioted in Montréal and tried to do a J6 over the most tepid restrictions. The ones jerking off over a romantic idea of fighting a war aren’t prepared to spend years living without the lifestyle they’re accustomed to and have themselves and their families randomly imprisoned or murdered by the evil empire they’ve served so faithfully. You’d be closer to the conditions of the IRA than Vietnam or Iran, except even they had a history of genocides to radicalize people.
FYI, I’m not Canadian. Just an observer from the other side of the pond, watching America die in morbid horror.
I really need to figure out a way to practice American-style vowels.
Heck a large portion of the American power grid is in Canada since we sell them so much.
Are you joking? Most of you couldn’t even fucking handle staying inside and not going to parties when you wanted to. Stop acting like Canadians are hard.
TBF OP was just speaking for themselves.
I wouldn’t. Why conduct the destructive mess that is a war in our own living room?
I’d contribute to any effort to make long range drones that strike energy and electronic infrastructure deep inside the US instead.
Keep the destruction over there. Watch American arrogance melt away as they realize that fighting a war isn’t just some thing they send troops elsewhere to die over while they get to stay comfy and safe at home anymore.
The answer is going to be both.
Drones are the future of warfare. Ukraine has proven that.
But if the US decides to invade, it absolutely WILL send troops over the border. And we’ll be there, shooting them down. Carney may have to undo Trudeau’s silly handgun restrictions for us RPAL holders for the good of Canada.
I’m too old to be a soldier, but I can still hold a rifle. I’m not a violent person, but I will defend my country. I don’t believe that most people in the US support this, but I will shoot to kill any that come across the border with plans to invade.
In my nearly 60 years on this planet, this is the first time I’ve said I will die defending my country.
So yes, in a situation of war we support drones. We support attacks deep within US territory, rather than traditional face-to-face combat.
But we will do whatever it takes to protect our country.
Almost 70 and cannot walk but 2 metres at a time. Strap a bomb to my scooter and I will drive into a bunch of em and blow them up.
I am sure we can get you doing other things rather than suicide scooting.
Hello future drone operator
Ohh that would be fun. One little, two little invaders, three, four little invaders …
Dude why die at someone when you can blast old dude ass at them. That’s dangerous ass.
If you’re in a war, you’re going to get people dying on both sides of the border.
And it’s going to be hard to procure that many drone parts under occupation, so if that’s your job, you might end up doing car/ATV bombs instead.
You all were the only ones to burn the White House down. Just saying…
If they’re in your living room, they’re in effective control of your area. At that point there will not be long-range drones going (maybe coming in), there will only be direct action by the local populace.
Why conduct the destructive mess that is a war in our own living room?
shorter supply lines?
Plenty of Americans are hoping a dumb ass move like that is enough to weaken the morons in charge and join your side.
Like both coasts and most of the bordering states would have majorities on Canada’s side.
doodle
As an American I like this epithet very much and will be sabotaging supply lines to keep the True North strong and free.
Same, TBH. I don’t have a whole lot to lose, and I’m pretty serious about democracy and human rights.
As an American I’d love to help ya, so send others here or grab me I hate the orange nazi
If I go into Canada, it will be to fight on your side
Well you better call it a whoopsie doodle or I’m gonna cry. Do you really want making me cry on your conscience after that?
The title seems to be generating confusion, but the author’s point is that there are billionaire oligarchs (not just Trump, people whose power is not term-limited) pushing to gain control of Canada’s resources. He’s not talking about ordinary Americans nor is he necessarily talking about an invasion or a war.
The playbook here is generally to apply economic pressure with the aim of causing political discontent, while at the same time financing an opposition faction that’s more pliable, like they’re doing against Cuba, Afghanistan, Iran, etc.
Sounds like the same play book that is used with great success in Europe currently.
And did in the UK and US.
Get your gun license. I’m not kidding.
You don’t have to own a gun. Just learn how they work so when push comes to shove, you’ll be ready.
You’ll learn just how bad the firearms restrictions have gotten in Canada since 2020.
It’s not about the restrictions though. It’s about knowing how to use the guns. And about gun safety.
The requirements on those haven’t changed since the 90s. You want people to be ready for a possible guerilla war and basically still ban 15000 models of firearms by name without any reason other than ‘AR-15 bad’ and ‘this rifle looks military even though it is a plinker jam-o-matic in a civilian caliber’. They sent many to Ukraine and they threw the latter in the garbage because of useless they are. They even banned hunting rounds for arbitrary reasons, like single shot rifles from the 1880s and the Weatherby .460 magnum, a big game hunting round, because they banned anything with a muzzle energy of more than 20K joules… Calling it an anti material rifle, which it is woefully unsuited for. Even banning the .50 BMG, which has never been used in a crime in Canada, was done entirely on some ‘we have moved beyond this as a society’ or ‘weapons of war Canadians don’t need’ even though at this point the world has been regressing back to violent authoritianism at breakneck speeds AND they have done jackshit to counter any rightwing misinformation. Incels are getting worse and worse and they are still pushing for gun laws entirely due to the 1989 shooting done by a proto-incel.
If anything I firmly believe they will discourage the average Canuck from resisting and those that and survive this war will probably have to deal with all manner of issues from the government going forward.
I get your point. And I agree with you. Those bans were not decided on factual information but on emotions.
And we all know the actual crimes aren’t committed with legal weapons anyways. They’re mostly done with guns coming from south of the border.
I think you can learn the skills within our existing legal framework. If I were to introduce someone to firearms that has no prior firearms experience we’d be starting with a 22 or maybe even a pellet gun. Access to currently prohibited weapons to further advance individuals that already possess skills is a completely different topic. This doesn’t even start to address the realities of the role of firearms in modern conflict.
There’s lots of more valuable ways for people to spend their time “preparing” for whatever the future holds for us. If someone thinks that prohibited weapons are the key to survival they can seek training through other means like joining the reserves. Or take an active role in politics and work towards changing the legislation. Or if things are so bad already then break the law and learn/possess those weapons anyway.
with a 22 or maybe even a pellet gun.
Be me - purchases a Kriss Vector .22Lr, shot it once at the range, bought an optic for it, planned to take it out again, government bans it because “it’s a weapon of warfare” and shouldn’t be in the hands of civilians.
To say I was disappointed is an understatement.
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I wouldn’t condone breaking any laws.
I generally agree with that sentiment. With respect to Canada’s firearms laws I think the legislation we had was decent including the previously available restricted licenses for handguns. I’m not personally and advocate for handguns but I think the requirements for storage, transportation, background checks, etc. allowed those that wanted to pursue the hobby to do so while also maintaining a level of safety for the general public. There’s probably some tweaks to be made and loopholes to close but a decent framework.
I don’t think we’re at this point in Canada but I would condone breaking laws that are amoral or unethical. To take it to an extreme, I support the actions of the resistance fighters that were breaking the laws of nazi Germany. I was intending to convey something more along the lines that if someone believes so strongly that was the only path to keeping themself and their loved ones safe then they have the freewill to act accordingly, they’ll just have to live with the consequences of their actions.
Nah, the restrictions are pretty severe.
They basically were aiming to ban all semi-auto rifles without saying they wanted to ban semi-autos.
You shouldn’t need a license.
I have lived in countries with and without firearms licensing and I respectfully disagree. At a minimum, pistols need to be regulated.
You absolutely should. We’re talking about tools whose purpose is to destroy and kill.
It’s really just a few of us, but they control the media and military so that sucks.
Even if we came willingly, the Republicans wouldn’t really want another California.
Trump doesn’t seem to get that’s what it would be, though. Except also add a raging insurgency, which would most likely spread.
in the hypothetical case of an annexation there is no way Canada would get statehood. they would be just another puerto rico
In that hypothetical scenario, I would undoubted become a partisan on their side and do as much damage as possible to our own military.
Fuck em.
Depends on the hypothetical, I guess. We’re already handwaving a lot of things.
Trump is rhetorically pretty specific about it being a new state.
I’m american, and NOPE i am not, the Trump & Co are tho
I love Canada, I’m sorry this is happening 🥺 we’re neighbors
Greed and corruption running wild 💀
110%, and unfortunately nothing will get better until we Americans get up and do something about it. But THAT won’t happen until more of us are personally inconvenienced by this fuckery.
Simply voting them out has a pretty low chance of working long term, made worse by the actions of the elite to sow uncertainty in our election system. On top of that, we’ve been shown that peacefully protesting makes little to no change at all in this situation. When peaceful protesting continually fails, it makes violence inevitable. I have no doubt in my mind that a major violent event will happen eventually here in the US. When will it happen? In November, when fraud runs rampant in the election? If the grift succeeds and Repubs win the midterm, I think all bets will be off at that point.
Peacefulness has failed, it’s guillotine time.
Trump & Co are tho
Without a helluva lot of effective opposition…
Opposition with even peaceful protests and journalism/research got deemed terrorist by DHS FBI CIA
Well, I guess that means everyone should just bend over and let the fascists have their way?
:(
I’m American (unfortunately) and I want no part in annexing any country. I actually can’t recall anyone else here who does… Well except big orange wrinkly pimples in DC.
Point of order, I would like to annex a small slice of quiche and a latte
Where do I sign up for this special military operation?
oh damn you just missed it. maybe next saturday at the good german place that makes the best damn quiche i’ve ever had.
this saturday i’m gonna be in stockton eating greek food
Damn that special military operation was fast AF.
maybe because unlike some dictators we know how to plan our special military operations
I’m 51 and would murder every single American that entered here and tried to take away my country, freedom and my family.
I’d die, but I’d hopefully murder a fuckload of yanks before that.
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I could see it happening in bite sized pieces. Just like Ukraine really. Annex a small area, wait till the protests die down then repeat. I’m sure Vladimir would be cheering that on. After all great nuclear powers do whatever they want, don’t they.
They’ll be aiming to crush Canada economically until Albertans are sure they want to go it alone. Then they can start physically dismantling the country, starting with Alberta, and intensifying the economic pressure on the rest until Canada submits to de facto US rule. They can formalize it later with humilitating treaties and guns.
Canada needs to work quickly on economic and military independence. Our whole international position needs to change before the USA really gets going with the program. And Canada needs to figure out how to make it very painful for the USA if it attempts anything. If ever the USA invades, we need to already be there inside their country, physically and virtually, making life hard for them in surprising ways. And we need to build up alliances until they’re so strong that it becomes uncomfortable for our allies to flake out and go along with the USA.
Yeah the people in here who are imagining some kind of WW2-esque total-war scenario are not living in reality…
I mean, I get it. It’s heroic and satisfying to imagine oneself going down in a blaze of glory or getting into a firefight or a slugfest with a bunch of boots-on-the-ground foreign invaders, but that’s not the century we’re in.
Yeah the US is struggled with IEDs in Afghanistan, we know that because Canadians were there. Now the US military is struggling against cheap drones.
It won’t be a WW2 like war. It would be oil shortages, electricity blackouts, food shortages, and Amazon fulfillment centers going up in flames. That’s what war looks like in Russia right now, it wouldn’t be all that difficult to inflict that on the US.
But I feel like they probably won’t invade if only because Canada isn’t mentioned in the Bible.
You’re getting in the way of how horny the 50+ crowd is to kill some people before they kick the bucket
“…die down”? Have you see the French?
Yeah but like the Ukranians Canada will keep up the fight,Canada is not going to be pushed around and the US has this habit of having the white house being burnt down when they try and invade us, Trump has already laid the groundwork for it to start.
How can anyone take this article seriously after opening with this clear misinterpretation:
Prime Minister Mark Carney has stated he will return to the bargaining table “when the Americans start being serious.” How much more serious can the Americans be? The Americans have been very serious right from the beginning of Trump’s second term. Trump has constantly repeated 51ST state, governor of Canada statements and now Lake America.
I don’t know how you miss inference “…about a trade deal.” and it not be intentional.
We may not be understanding each other here…
I am complaining about the article because they imply Americans are taking things seriously while Carney is just throwing an empty excuse… “How much more serious can the Americans be?”
I do believe Carney is right in that we can sit down and talk trade when the brats down south stop throwing tantrums… the article seems to think that throwing threats and tantrums is equal to being serious about talking trade which is complete bullshit
The Americans are very much not serious about annexing Canada in fact.
Best to be prepared anyway obviously, but no, the president is just talking shit, for leverage in other ways.
The only way it would work is if a sizable percent of canada wanted to join, and even then, it’s doubtful, although finding an enclave that does support joining the US and then making a provocation to justify it is possible, as Russia did in South Ossentia in Georgia, that part of Moldova, and the Crimea. Or as hitler did in the sudentland in Czechoslovakia.
But that is doubtful, not the least as he’s record unpopular, on the back foot with Iran and inflation, and looks like on old washed up bitch.
He’s still got an approval rate above 30%. A third of Americans don’t vote, so while someone else might get into power sometimes, we need to plan on the US being a sometimes fascist country for the foreseeable future.
And there’s a ratchet effect going on. The crazies do crazy things and the moderates roll back some of it but not all of it. So when the crazies get back in, it ratchets further from the previous time the crazies were in.
Traditionally since the 1980s at least, it’s been in the 50s of the voting age population. It has inched up the last 20 years, only breaking 60% of the voting age population in 2020. 2024 was 59 to 64 percent according to the old measure not adjusting for felons and illegal immigrants and such, and 64 under the new measure. (Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections) end edit.
2020 was 62 and 65% under those metrics.
It’s not even about straight vote totals now though, which is why it was such a big deal when Biden did fuckall then anointed someone (else) that couldn’t’ win, it’s about overcoming efforts to rig the system at every level.
I suspect they’ve been cheating in myriad ways since at least 2020, and that we can draw a straight line from their open efforts to rig voting in a betrayal of the US in 2020 and beyond, to their theft of the 2000 election.
As a general rule, when the leaders of a notoriously aggressive superpower next door spend years talking about annexing your country, it’s best to err on the side of caution and take it seriously.
Yeah that’s the thing you have to remember about this flood the Zone shit Trump does. None of it’s a distraction. All of it’s a distraction. Both at the same time. He means it all.
