Protest against the Omarchy/Omacom Foundation and the tech companies and executives funding far-right open source.
Protest if you like, but I’m going to say: Stop talking about Omarchy if you want to hurt it.
The people who like it are going to like it, the ones who don’t won’t, and screaming about it just brings it to the attention of more people who never would have heard about it.
OK so this is a legit weakness of mine and it has to do with too many options. Creator aside what makes this distribution interesting and what other flavors resemble it? I’ve been trying for years to find the right flavor for me, I want something I update minimally and when I do update it doesn’t break. I’m using lmde note but I’ve had to wrangle it in and all I’m running on it is steam Nvidia gpu, yams, plex. I want to self host other apps but I’m terrified of the base install becoming unmanageable. I want this server to run games also.
…The heck happened?
I’ve been under a rock for a bit.
Explain to me: why is there so much hype (and controversy) around some Hyperland Arch Linux config, within like a month? Is this some astroturfing thing?
Probably the digital ocean donation.
Disclaimer: I only know bits of this story and am missing details.
Creator vibe codes configs, makes a “distro”
Creator says fairly fucked up things online, effectively a “dog whistle” gathering right aligned attention and money- and a quite a lot of it.
Begins hiring similarly minded people, claiming “the money will be spent” on the distro
All of it wreaks of BS.
Is The Primeagen also a garbage person? I’ve always thought of him as pretty down to earth and real… But man he’s been making them rounds with DHH lately and getting heavily involved in Omarchy
this website is so scarily designed (in a way that screams “scam” to me regardless of its content) that i doubt it will reach anybody but us
I get what u mean, but at the same time, there’s plenty of “friendly,” normal looking, and now probably AI generated, scam sites too. The colors are bold, but it’s a simple, informative design. And if we, the ones who read and try to be vigilant of bad actors, are the only ones it can reach, so be it ig.
there’s plenty of “friendly,” normal looking, and now probably AI generated, scam sites too
there’s way more non-friendly disinfo sites than those, the percentages
we, the ones who read and try to be vigilant of bad actors
—have heard about this before. Preaching to the choir will not help you fight the fascists.
its fascinating to see libs cancelling people on basis of culture war… I also wanna cancel people on basis of class war
I think boycotting omarchy itself (easy to do) is a lot more effective than boycotting everything else.
Let these companies see their money go to waste because no one cares.
Aside from this dickhead and his shitty worldview, the OS is nothing more than a curated experience with what could be some fucking awful and dangerous AI implementations. I don’t understand how people with any modicum of tech literacy wouldn’t pass on this fucking thing INSTANTLY. I have always had mixed views on networkchuck, but to see him pumping this fucking thing up was pretty much my tipping point to writing him off completely.
And regarding DHH… I don’t know how you could listen to this guy talk, and not get the Euroid sociopath vibes. Plus his little harem of fanboys are presumably gonna be jumping in at this point. It’s just fucking gross. I passed on this months ago, and I will continue to pass.
I believe the ones pumping it up are the “AI bros” and “tech bros” AKA non-technical folks. These types don’t actually have the skills or knowledge to put together something like this themselves so they rally around Omarchy because that work has already been done for them.
Yeah and sprinkle the whole thing with agentic AI that can have root access for these people… It’s pretty damn yikesy lol I think a lot of people are gonna get hurt, unfortunately.
Just thinking of the poor bastard with the giant obsidian brain that has been the pride of his life for the past 5 years.
Network chuck is someone I really liked when his channel was small, but once I realized he was posting videos that were 5 minutes long with a 1.5 minute ad plug, I was done. He always posts software that is just a free tier of something when there is probably a free and good option instead.
Yeah, I’m on the same boat. Shit, I would even drink coffee at his pace when watching his videos. He’s dropped real low in the lat year or 2.
Then there’s Tom Lawrence for networking. Objective, each tool has it use case and he will push nothing, basically just voice hos opinions and why. Like if Louis Rossmann was all about networking and way less angry 🤣. Full disclosure, I fucking love Rossmann, my wife hates him.
People use Brave even though Peter Thiel is one of its main investors. People use Brave even though it was created by Brendan Eich, a homophobe and Trump supporter
I had the sense that the general consensus in the inner tech circles is that Brave is bad and Firefox is good.
Its the outer ring of the tech circles still privvy to Brave.
Yeah but is it a reason not to do anything? Some people don’t care, some are unaware. For the last ones we should keep pushing for making tech landscape a betted place for everyone
I will continue never using it
And I salute your action of inaction! 🫡
I even ask myself if ignoring them and leaving them to the irrelevance they deserve would be a better move than giving them the free “advertising” and probably even boosting their ego.
I’m right there with you. If anyone asks me about it, my response is “imagine that Arch Linux and OpenAI were going to have a child, but they were both doing too many drugs and alcohol, smoking 3 packs of camels per day each and lived near a garbage burning field in a Saharan country, Omarchy is the material resulting from that miscarriage”.
There’s just too many good Linux distros out there for me to even entertain the idea of ever giving that shit a chance.
“That sounds…dramatic! I may have to check it out, just for the train wreck!”
“Pre-configured Arch with agentic AI baked in.”
I would agree if they did not have that much oil money backing them this kinda needs to be talked about imo
As long as any form of will to power exists, there will be attempts towards facism. The point of open source is that the worst case scenario- something happens and you’ll be able to branch it and run it your way. That’s the whole damn point.
It is suppose to be so surprising- but that’s the life cycle of the modern day world. Leaders act very well towards their consumers and employeee until they get a real foothold to the point of being able to buy congressmen. Then they turn evil.
That’s the thing- they were always evil. They just hid their power level
Congratulations, you’ve just managed to advertise the exact thing you oppose. I would likely have given zero attention or thought to Omarchy today if I hadn’t seen this thread.
Also, I just read that “The Omarchy Doctrine” page; if someone seriously thinks that is a “fascist creed”, then that is very interesting. About the person who thinks that. If someone could help me figure out what part of that is supposed to be outrageous or especially controversial, I’d appreciate any help!
Heritage is duty
Command is service
From “Hold the line”:
Omarchy is bringing that ethos back, and dropping the Code-of-Conduct struggle sessions and identity-overload nonsense that has plagued open source for far too long.
granted, i think the red alert website is misinterpreting the essay it cites, which analyses Omarchy overall as a fascist movement rather than the specific doctrine page
“Heritage is duty” refers to the heritage of computing, not of human beings. Completely non-outrageous in context.
“Command is service”, ok, that explains why Omarchy isn’t a democracy. I think many other FOSS projects aren’t either, so I don’t see anything outrageous in that either.
And you may of course disagree with their opinion on “Code-of-Conduct struggle sessions and identity-overload nonsense” (not words I would have used). Many completely well-meaning people hold different opinions on those topics.
To elaborate: Struggle sessions only refer to, of course, the 20th-century Chinese Communist denunciation rallies. Branding code-of-conduct enforcement with an explicit reference to communism and the emphasis on identity politics clearly asserts belief in the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.
OK, I wasn’t familiar with that term; TIL. Again, it’s not terminology I would personally have used; calling it a “fascist creed” over that still sounds like an exaggeration.
Many completely well-meaning people hold different opinions on those topics.
Not like that. There is a difference.
Both the Omarchy shilling and these attempts at smearing a lot of people with the least charitable interpretation possible of their words and actions feel incredibly artificial, so I’m going to do what is best for me and ignore both.
I am all on board with letting people know when open source is a bit too aligned with major companies or is somehow compromised.
I have no intent or need to use Omarchy.
This sites list of YouTubers to shun however is a bit too “purity test” for me. The reasons listed are, let’s say extremely tepid in many cases.
I’ve never heard Jeff Geerling talk about any issue other than homelab stuff like hardware pricing and availability. His religious and personal views were not apparent to me at all.
I watched the Louis Rossmann video mentioned with the CO State Rep, and Louis was respectful and platformed this individuals commentary on the subject of privacy issues for a long time in the video. Generally Rossmann seems to criticize the living hell out of politicians left, right, and center.
I guess all I am saying is… Use whatever products you do or don’t want to for your own reasons but, I disagree with the concept that I should brigade specific creators because they support Open Source but not 100% of my particular basket of other issues. We need Open Source to grow and need to reach out to diverse groups who can find value in it.
I will continue to listen to both Craft Computing Jeff (as far left as it is possible to be on social and gender issues) and Jeff Geerling (who is apparently conservative on these same issues) because I’m listening to them talk about homelab stuff, not telling me who to vote for etc.
Omarchy isn’t even good. It shouldn’t even be called a distro, it does nothing new. It’s basically a script installer for arch
Sadly, this whole scheme has been resumed into “Don’t use Omarchy because they are nazis!” – “Oh? And where you got that idea from?” – “B-b-because It’s what they are!”. It’s nothing else than a shit-flinging contest, with no logical/coherent reasoning other than typical emotional/impulse-driven reactions for the sake of “feeling included”.
Also, it’s sad to see at how this community went downhill fast because of politics, and on how the mods shrug at these posts – we are, indeed… reddit now.
Did you even look at the evidence people always provide when talking about DHH? Or are you saying advocating for ethnic cleansing isn’t nazi? Ime people love to pretend that leftists are just making shit up when most of the time we show the receipts, which are even in the link in the original post here.
child didnt even look at ANY of the evidence . AND THEN when they want to criticize the evidence presented , doesnt link ANY counter evidence .
ENLIGHTENED CENTRISM©®™ strikes again. BOTH sides are evil Mmmkay!? Mmmmkay! Ignorance Is Bliss©®™
I have no idea what I just read (since I know next to nothing about programming and linux) but then I read this:
“Believe in redemption, not permanent condemnation. People can be wrong and still be welcome back when they step away from harm. This is not about outrage or scolding, but rather attempting repair and healing for FOSS and the world.”
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“Believe in the redemption of middle aged nazis who know exactly what theyre doing gois , OK?! OK! Happy-Go-Lucky!”
I may be too charitable, but I imagine it has to do with how many people, such as colleagues we may have, can fall for this type of shit. We’re all able to be reactionary and give in to bs, some of us just have more knowledge and/or more empathy so we’re able to see through it much easier. So while DHH may not be redeemable, some dumbass on Twitter who defends DHH may still be redeemed, depending on the choices they make and how much harm they do or don’t do along the way.
ANY middle aged person should be able to understanf thst theyre supporting or spreading nazi bullshit.
Thats why we HAD to hang a couple propagandists during the Nuremburg Trials. If youre old enough to understand that youre supprting and spreading nazi bullshit? Youre old enough to recieve ALL the consequences of doing that.
I don’t disagree
