I live somewhere with 2 Republicans on the ballot for one seat with no write in line.
I could have not voted at all on that item, but that wouldn’t have helped anybody but the worst of the two candidates.
I poured through more interviews and candidate statements from these two trashy people than any other candidate I voted for, just to find the one that was the least evil.
I still hate them both, but I voted for one to try and stem the bleeding because that’s how our Democracy works.
And adding a quote from Rage Against the Machine’s Tom Morello:
But in any and every contested race, as my mom Mary Morello always said, we have to fight the fascist every which way we can, recognizing that even if there’s but an inch of difference between two candidates, there are a lot of vulnerable people who could be greatly harmed in that inch.
The meme also assumes billionares are spending all that money on one side. They spend it on both (bankman-fried who publicly donated to dems and secretley donated to republicans so he could guide regulations, have the ear of government, maybe even get an edge on people.) So its not like the parties truly are that different.
Remider that voting in a Democracy is the bare minimum.
Everday citizens can protest, attend town halls, call their elected officials (or their opponents) and make their views heard. You can donate money, and if you can’t donate money, you can donate time, and if you can’t donate time, you can bring attention to issues that you want to change in your everyday life.
Voting is the most important thing you can do right now, but don’t forget the other stuff. Behind every politician is a team, behind that team are supporters, and behind the supporters are voters. You get to choose your level of engagement.
No shame on people that only vote. That’s better than 4 out 5 other Americans this year.
Holy fuck you’re pathetically terminally online. Over a thousand comments on an account less than thirty days old, all of em doing with for maga. You’re an honest to goodness bot. Talk about touch grass, jesus christ dude.
Ah yes, the people who are anti-genocide, anti-imperialsts and pro-worker are the sad little brigade. The fact that you think that’s fascism, while you are openly supporting the party that helps the fasscists is quite telling about where you really stand 🙄
I never said voting didn’t matter. I love how you have to keep making up things, because you can’t discuss the issue at hand. This is why BlueMAGA is a joke.
Of course you don’t. Libs never give a fuck, until it affects them. When its marginalized people, or foreigners, Libs are out to brunch. But when Imperialsm turns to Fascism, suddenly Libs start whining like a bunch of babies.
What is it that you think tankies do? Historically, tankies formed the Black Panther Party, Party for Socialism and Liberation, and the CPUSA (before they turned reformist). The tankies are regularly on the streets, donating time and money to building a better world.
Lol, you think tankies do anything but cheer on the crushing of students with military vehicles and encourage channeling dissent into inaction and subjugation. What a bunch of fucking losers.
Do you think the groups I mentioned aren’t tankies, or do you think the majority of people you would describe as tankies aren’t doing what they do? Are you calling the Black Panther Party “a bunch of fucking losers,” or just those that support them?
The best defense you have for not voting is a single summary of an abstract of a poly-sci study done at one university 12 fucking years ago which I’m sure as fuck you didn’t read because it’s locked behind a paywall and clearly above the literacy level of any tankie fungal infection. Get serious or get lost.
Everyone else should keep fucking voting.
Edit: read more, this joker didn’t even bother to read the name of the university, let alone the summary of the abstract of a paywalled poly-sci journal.
Could it be because you don’t live in a democracy?
I just submitted a ballot. People who I have voted for have won. Some of them have been underdogs. Some of them even accomplished things they said they would.
And I keep saying that if stemming the bleeding is the best we can hope for, then that’s how democracy fails. Vote for the slightly-better candidate, by all means, that’s the best move in the here-and-now. But, unless we change the rules, it’s gonna be the same best move next time, too, and the patient only has so much blood.
Morello makes a very Utilitarian argument. The trouble is that it works equally well when your choice is between Hitler, who wants to murder 5,000,000 people, and Hitler Lite, who wants to murder 4,999,995 people. It makes all the difference for those 5 people, and voting for Hitler Lite is the best move.
This cartoon symbolizes one election cycle. We can argue about how many people should be depicted on the siding, but since there are 16 people on the main line, the Utilitarian argument works even if there are up to 15. And that’s what’s been happening: Labor got tied to the tracks in the '70s with the election of Jimmy Carter. Poor people joined them with the election of Bill Clinton. Palestine as a whole got tied to the tracks next to them in 2024. And now, they’re flirting with adding trans people to the line-up. And, no, that does not obviate the fact that the Republicans are indeed worse.
But that’s beside my point. This cartoon doesn’t depict the erosion of democracy and the crumbling of civil institutions. That can only go on for so long before the whole system fails.
I’m not sure what definition of tankie you’re using, but it’s not one I’m familiar with. Unless, like terrorist, it’s lost all denotative meaning and is just an insult to be hurled at people you don’t like.
Tankies. College kidz on drugs. Russian propaganda beneficiaries. Billionaire bots. Liberal-haters.
They put on quite a show here and in a few other places near election times. Afterwards they tend to fizzle out. Or stick to one or two comms about gaming.
First, this user tells me that tankies are bad. Tankies think that the system is bad, and that its collapse is an unqualified good.
Then, they switched to accelerationists. Accelerationists want the system to collapse hard and fast, so that people don’t acclimate to poorer conditions, and get motivated to fix the system.
Meanwhile, I’m warning that the system is going to collapse, and we need to fix it ASAP.
Hence, my question. What the heck is they on about, now?
It’s California. There’s an open primary, I happen to live in one of the few red parts and for one spot the top two vote getters in the primary were Republican.
They didn’t run unopposed, the opposition just all failed to get a consensus. CA’s system isn’t perfect, but realistically a Democrat doesn’t have a chance in this particular district, maybe the less evil Republican has a shot though.
US elections involve some compromise. Vote for your ideal candidate in the primary, but after that there’s generally only 2 people who have any shot at a given seat, and throwing away your vote in protest helps the worst candidates succeed. That’s why elections spend so much money on attack ads - they want you feeling discouraged.
If this is your situation and you can’t even vote for the lesser of two evils or tactfully, you can spoil your ballot. It shows that you are not represented by the options given but also still believe in the need for representation and the democratic system. I drew a box that said none of the above.
And your vote got tossed in the box after being electronically tabulated like everyone else’s where no human ever even saw it. That guy’s actually accomplished something.
One more vote for the least bad option. One less vote for the worse option. The other idiots ballot was spoiled and so contributes to whoever wins. Our system sucks but it isn’t that complicated. Too complicated for tankies and both sidesers though.
And what did that accomplish? From what I see: absolutely nothing.
You know what contributes more to the Republicans winning? The Democrats refusing to do what their voters want, on easy to win topics, and the Democrat voters pretending that they are worth supporting.
I didn’t let the Republicans win, the Democrats did. They had the chance to run on popular policies that helped out the voters, but instead chose to support the Republicans, and help build out fascism.
Here’s a great example: Seattle raised their mimimum wage, made the rich pay more taxes, and helped Amazon workers fight back against Amazon, becuase we elected a Socialist who faught against the Democrats.
The democratics are doing what their voters want insofar as they can without having any real power the last decade. What you’re actually wondering if why the democratic party doesn’t cater to the progressives and general public that don’t vote in primaries or generals for democratics. But why would the democratic party cater to non-voters? They don’t vote. May as well be republicans. You fix that by running progressives and voting in the democratic primaries. It’s a pretty simple system. Too complicated for both sidesers though apparently.
The democratics are doing what their voters want insofar as they can without having any real power the last decade.
Well, no. None of that is true actually. They had plenty of power under Biden and Obama, but chose to screw over their voters instead of helping them out.
What you’re actually wondering if why the democratic party doesn’t cater to the progressives and general public that don’t vote in primaries or generals for democratics. But why would the democratic party cater to non-voters? They don’t vote.
No, I’m not wondering that at all. They don’t cater to progressives and the general public, because their rich doners tell them not to. They also know that those people won’t vote for someone who fights against them. To get more voters they could run popular policies that people like, and then actually deliver on them. Hell, there was a whole movement warning Harris that she was going to lose votes if she kept running unpopular positions, and she told them to sit down, and shut up. So she lost votes.
If they delivered for the people, then the people would vote for them. You have your cause and effect backwards.
May as well be republicans.
So you think people who don’t want the US to back genocide, and want policies that help the workers are just like Republicans? Because that doesn’t make any sense.
You fix that by running progressives and voting in the democratic primaries. It’s a pretty simple system. Too complicated for both sidesers though apparently.
And what have the progressives accomplished? They’ve had power for a long time, and spent it all pretending that the Democratic leadership weren’t horrible monsters.
I want a party that fights for the people, not to keep the monsters in charge.
It’s a pretty simple system. Too complicated for both sidesers though apparently.
And yet you seem the be the one that doens’t know how it works. 🙄
Ok so you’re clearly in bad faith because your first statement is demonstrably false. You’re working for MAGA. That or you’re actually stupid enough to just blatantly declare that you have no actual understanding of the structure and function of the federal government, but most likely you’re another rusbot trying to discourage midterm turnout.
Do you prefer the smell of shit or rotten food? Both are bad, yet you still probably prefer one over the other. But if you turn up your nose when presented with the choice then you don’t get to complain about intestinal parasites or half-digested corn when someone plops a big pile o’ shit on your plate.
Well it’s a good thing that there’s more options than that. The reason we keep getting these dishes is that Libs keep pretending that there are only two options.
Short version, he bragged about not voting for Harris, with the nuance (which is so easily lost in today’s society) that she was all but guaranteed to win California, so his protest vote did not, on it’s own, risk contributing to Donald Trump’s second term.
The flip side of that nuance is that his rhetoric about the subject, without the additional context, may discourage voting in swing states, which could help Trump/Republicans in a much more significant way than just not voting for Harris in California.
His follow-up statements clarified his stance, including the quote I provided.
His behavior overall was messy, but that quote holds up nicely on its own.
Reposting my own comment here:
And adding a quote from Rage Against the Machine’s Tom Morello:
The meme also assumes billionares are spending all that money on one side. They spend it on both (bankman-fried who publicly donated to dems and secretley donated to republicans so he could guide regulations, have the ear of government, maybe even get an edge on people.) So its not like the parties truly are that different.
Remider that voting in a Democracy is the bare minimum.
Everday citizens can protest, attend town halls, call their elected officials (or their opponents) and make their views heard. You can donate money, and if you can’t donate money, you can donate time, and if you can’t donate time, you can bring attention to issues that you want to change in your everyday life.
Voting is the most important thing you can do right now, but don’t forget the other stuff. Behind every politician is a team, behind that team are supporters, and behind the supporters are voters. You get to choose your level of engagement.
No shame on people that only vote. That’s better than 4 out 5 other Americans this year.
If only you lived in a democracy, lmao.
You know it’s been an oligarchy since your country’s founding right?
You .ml losers really know how to crash a party. Probably why you’re not invited to any.
Oh look, a twenty day old ml account trying to stop people from voting.
Link me where I said not to vote. I won’t hold my breath.
Holy fuck you’re pathetically terminally online. Over a thousand comments on an account less than thirty days old, all of em doing with for maga. You’re an honest to goodness bot. Talk about touch grass, jesus christ dude.
Answer the question clown
I love how Libs have to keep making up things rather than address the points being made. It lets me know how serious they are.
Sad little people in a sad little brigade, god you fascists are a pathetic bunch.
Ah yes, the people who are anti-genocide, anti-imperialsts and pro-worker are the sad little brigade. The fact that you think that’s fascism, while you are openly supporting the party that helps the fasscists is quite telling about where you really stand 🙄
They’re right, cry about it
Y’all are a sensitive lot. So easily triggered and you have a meltdown, like a snowflake.
The person who throws a hissy fit when people say “your country isn’t actually a democracy” is complaining about others being a snowflake. The irony.
If voting didn’t matter they wouldn’t be trying to take it from you. You’re working for MAGA.
I never said voting didn’t matter. I love how you have to keep making up things, because you can’t discuss the issue at hand. This is why BlueMAGA is a joke.
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Tankie
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How’s the weather in Moscow?
You know I don’t give a fuck.
Of course you don’t. Libs never give a fuck, until it affects them. When its marginalized people, or foreigners, Libs are out to brunch. But when Imperialsm turns to Fascism, suddenly Libs start whining like a bunch of babies.
Yeah, and tankie shitnuggets can’t even rise to that level of moral duplicity on their best fucking day.
You think that the people who constantly support foreigners and marginalized people… don’t give a fuck about foreigners and marginalized people?
And yet I see Libs openly throwing those groups under the bus at the first opportunity.
Nope.
What is it that you think tankies do? Historically, tankies formed the Black Panther Party, Party for Socialism and Liberation, and the CPUSA (before they turned reformist). The tankies are regularly on the streets, donating time and money to building a better world.
Annoy the living shit out of every person in their general vicinity?
Say the dumbest shit imaginable on a consistent basis?
Talk the talk but never walk the walk?
Cry lots?
You should touch grass more then.
Lol, you think tankies do anything but cheer on the crushing of students with military vehicles and encourage channeling dissent into inaction and subjugation. What a bunch of fucking losers.
Do you think the groups I mentioned aren’t tankies, or do you think the majority of people you would describe as tankies aren’t doing what they do? Are you calling the Black Panther Party “a bunch of fucking losers,” or just those that support them?
Hahaha sure buddy
Do you think the groups I mentioned aren’t tankies, or do you think the majority of people you would describe as tankies aren’t doing what they do?
“fuck you, got mine” is as American as apple pie, and not just for republicans.
A tried and true Democratic classic!
Good luck with that 👍
Don’t need luck. Need people to fucking vote.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/abs/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B
For some reason I don’t think it’s gonna help much, lol. Could it be because you don’t live in a democracy? 🤔
Good luck with that.
The best defense you have for not voting is a single summary of an abstract of a poly-sci study done at one university 12 fucking years ago which I’m sure as fuck you didn’t read because it’s locked behind a paywall and clearly above the literacy level of any tankie fungal infection. Get serious or get lost.
Everyone else should keep fucking voting.
Edit: read more, this joker didn’t even bother to read the name of the university, let alone the summary of the abstract of a paywalled poly-sci journal.
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I just submitted a ballot. People who I have voted for have won. Some of them have been underdogs. Some of them even accomplished things they said they would.
That’s democracy, champ.
Delusional
And I keep saying that if stemming the bleeding is the best we can hope for, then that’s how democracy fails. Vote for the slightly-better candidate, by all means, that’s the best move in the here-and-now. But, unless we change the rules, it’s gonna be the same best move next time, too, and the patient only has so much blood.
Morello makes a very Utilitarian argument. The trouble is that it works equally well when your choice is between Hitler, who wants to murder 5,000,000 people, and Hitler Lite, who wants to murder 4,999,995 people. It makes all the difference for those 5 people, and voting for Hitler Lite is the best move.
Fuck the switch, rip up the rails.
This cartoon symbolizes one election cycle. We can argue about how many people should be depicted on the siding, but since there are 16 people on the main line, the Utilitarian argument works even if there are up to 15. And that’s what’s been happening: Labor got tied to the tracks in the '70s with the election of Jimmy Carter. Poor people joined them with the election of Bill Clinton. Palestine as a whole got tied to the tracks next to them in 2024. And now, they’re flirting with adding trans people to the line-up. And, no, that does not obviate the fact that the Republicans are indeed worse.
But that’s beside my point. This cartoon doesn’t depict the erosion of democracy and the crumbling of civil institutions. That can only go on for so long before the whole system fails.
That’s a lot of words to say “Republican fine”
My math is a little off, but can you remind me how many people died after 2018, again?
I recall it was more than one. COVID alone, I think it was somewhere north of a million, in fact.
I purposely had the amount on the republican side get cut off. It could go on for millions if it needs to. It’s hard to pin down a number.
I noticed you also didn’t include all the dead Palestinians the democrats created! American lives are clearly the only important ones lol.
Hey look, the Palestinian card. And oh look, it’s the only card you’re holding in your hand. What a shocker.
On the other tracks should be millions of people in the global south
Tankies are bad people. Just to let you know
You are extremely stupid
That’s great, but my comment has nothing whatsoever to do with tankies.
You’re very obviously a tankie with your comment history.
I’m not sure what definition of tankie you’re using, but it’s not one I’m familiar with. Unless, like terrorist, it’s lost all denotative meaning and is just an insult to be hurled at people you don’t like.
I don’t see a meaningful difference between accelerationist types
Sounds like you have an intellectual disability
What are you on about, now?
Tankies. College kidz on drugs. Russian propaganda beneficiaries. Billionaire bots. Liberal-haters.
They put on quite a show here and in a few other places near election times. Afterwards they tend to fizzle out. Or stick to one or two comms about gaming.
Gamers with a hard R.
First, this user tells me that tankies are bad. Tankies think that the system is bad, and that its collapse is an unqualified good.
Then, they switched to accelerationists. Accelerationists want the system to collapse hard and fast, so that people don’t acclimate to poorer conditions, and get motivated to fix the system.
Meanwhile, I’m warning that the system is going to collapse, and we need to fix it ASAP.
Hence, my question. What the heck is they on about, now?
Troll.
It’s what they did in 2024.
We’ve explained to you so many times how you’re using the word wrong and yet you continue to do it. You’re a terrible troll.
What are you 12? Lmao
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Wanna try again?
Gotta love a commie. They’re too far gone and can’t negotiate quite a simple system
It’s almost like they have a different motive lol, idiots
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Presumably an unopposed seat on a ballot proves some generalized point about elections or America or something.
It’s California. There’s an open primary, I happen to live in one of the few red parts and for one spot the top two vote getters in the primary were Republican.
They didn’t run unopposed, the opposition just all failed to get a consensus. CA’s system isn’t perfect, but realistically a Democrat doesn’t have a chance in this particular district, maybe the less evil Republican has a shot though.
US elections involve some compromise. Vote for your ideal candidate in the primary, but after that there’s generally only 2 people who have any shot at a given seat, and throwing away your vote in protest helps the worst candidates succeed. That’s why elections spend so much money on attack ads - they want you feeling discouraged.
If this is your situation and you can’t even vote for the lesser of two evils or tactfully, you can spoil your ballot. It shows that you are not represented by the options given but also still believe in the need for representation and the democratic system. I drew a box that said none of the above.
Do you not understand that “none of the above” isn’t runnng? Someone will get elected regardless of your forfeit and you just surrendered your vote.
Congrats for still not learning how this shit works.
And your vote got tossed in the box after being electronically tabulated like everyone else’s where no human ever even saw it. That guy’s actually accomplished something.
And what did clambake’s vote accomplish, that tazeycrazy’s didnt?
One more vote for the least bad option. One less vote for the worse option. The other idiots ballot was spoiled and so contributes to whoever wins. Our system sucks but it isn’t that complicated. Too complicated for tankies and both sidesers though.
And what did that accomplish? From what I see: absolutely nothing.
You know what contributes more to the Republicans winning? The Democrats refusing to do what their voters want, on easy to win topics, and the Democrat voters pretending that they are worth supporting.
How does your solution of letting republicans win benefit the people? Explain in detail with examples please.
I didn’t let the Republicans win, the Democrats did. They had the chance to run on popular policies that helped out the voters, but instead chose to support the Republicans, and help build out fascism.
Here’s a great example: Seattle raised their mimimum wage, made the rich pay more taxes, and helped Amazon workers fight back against Amazon, becuase we elected a Socialist who faught against the Democrats.
How does your solution of letting the republicans win benefit the people? Answer the question.
The democratics are doing what their voters want insofar as they can without having any real power the last decade. What you’re actually wondering if why the democratic party doesn’t cater to the progressives and general public that don’t vote in primaries or generals for democratics. But why would the democratic party cater to non-voters? They don’t vote. May as well be republicans. You fix that by running progressives and voting in the democratic primaries. It’s a pretty simple system. Too complicated for both sidesers though apparently.
Well, no. None of that is true actually. They had plenty of power under Biden and Obama, but chose to screw over their voters instead of helping them out.
No, I’m not wondering that at all. They don’t cater to progressives and the general public, because their rich doners tell them not to. They also know that those people won’t vote for someone who fights against them. To get more voters they could run popular policies that people like, and then actually deliver on them. Hell, there was a whole movement warning Harris that she was going to lose votes if she kept running unpopular positions, and she told them to sit down, and shut up. So she lost votes.
If they delivered for the people, then the people would vote for them. You have your cause and effect backwards.
So you think people who don’t want the US to back genocide, and want policies that help the workers are just like Republicans? Because that doesn’t make any sense.
And what have the progressives accomplished? They’ve had power for a long time, and spent it all pretending that the Democratic leadership weren’t horrible monsters.
I want a party that fights for the people, not to keep the monsters in charge.
And yet you seem the be the one that doens’t know how it works. 🙄
We’re also back to your solution being let the republicans win. Good strategy fascist.
Ok so you’re clearly in bad faith because your first statement is demonstrably false. You’re working for MAGA. That or you’re actually stupid enough to just blatantly declare that you have no actual understanding of the structure and function of the federal government, but most likely you’re another rusbot trying to discourage midterm turnout.
Do you prefer the smell of shit or rotten food? Both are bad, yet you still probably prefer one over the other. But if you turn up your nose when presented with the choice then you don’t get to complain about intestinal parasites or half-digested corn when someone plops a big pile o’ shit on your plate.
Well it’s a good thing that there’s more options than that. The reason we keep getting these dishes is that Libs keep pretending that there are only two options.
You could have shit on your ballot and left it there
Then none of my votes get counted.
Didn’t Morello advocate for non-voting?
Yes and no, mostly no, but it’s open to interpretation.
https://stereogum.com/2513749/tom-morello-clarifies-he-does-vote-just-not-for-corporate-democrats/news
Short version, he bragged about not voting for Harris, with the nuance (which is so easily lost in today’s society) that she was all but guaranteed to win California, so his protest vote did not, on it’s own, risk contributing to Donald Trump’s second term.
The flip side of that nuance is that his rhetoric about the subject, without the additional context, may discourage voting in swing states, which could help Trump/Republicans in a much more significant way than just not voting for Harris in California.
His follow-up statements clarified his stance, including the quote I provided.
His behavior overall was messy, but that quote holds up nicely on its own.