I have been rather unhappy with my smart TV’s functionality as I feel it isn’t smart for me but smart for the manufacturers. I just can’t use it how I want to. I would love to overwrite the existing OS from Android to Linux. I’ve recently converted from Windows and loving Mint.

I haven’t read too much regarding Linux smart tvs as my searches mostly come up with raspberry Pi and overwriting an Android box. I don’t want to connect anything and just want my tv to boot up in Linux when it’s turned on, and get some of my apps going. Is there a way to do this?

For reference I have a Sony Bravia with Android installed on it.

  • AndrewZabar@lemmy.world
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    I wish! I have a Samsung and I used to have an LG. One thing I anticipated which turned out to be on the nose is that these TVs stay operational just up until the maker decides they want your money again. I never bought into it to begin with. I only got a Smart TV to begin with because it has everything else I want. But I go straight to hooking up a computer. The apps on the TVs are all ooh and aah until a couple of years go by and then suddenly the apps are not compatible with the sites or backends what have you, and guess what? No more updates. You need a new TV despite the fact that yours is 100% perfectly fine, other than the inherent sabotage built in.

    So that’s why I never even had any expectations. But I would love to find the best Linux distro for a media machine that my wife could learn to use. Right now I have to do all of it because it’s just browse to the files or load a playlist. I’d like something like Kodi or Plex but they have issues with one thing or another. I just want an SMB based connection in an interface that shows friendly thumbnails kinda like Nova player on Android. That app is highly underrated. Free, as far as I know open source and aside from a few control designs not being too great, the app is terrific. Kicks VLC’s butt. Why are they still designing the software like it’s 20 years ago and it’s on Windows XP?

    Anyway I digress. Smart TV running Android or Linux would rock but I don’t expect it to be too feasible. But what do I know, because I’m not a professional dev.

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      Answer: get a “dumb TV” (or more cheaply: a SmartTV you don’t grant internet access) and tape a fanless N100 PC to the back. They’re far more capable and responsive than the cheapo processors that come in a SmartTV and just as silent. They’re going for well under $200 these days, and run Linux very well.

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        The “dumb TV” options are few (there are some but doubt their panels are as good), so the only “real” options are to go with the second option you gave. Depending on the size needed, PC OLED/AMOLED monitors are probably the best option pared with a HTPC or whatever other box. Sucks that a lot of the larger ones are also becoming “smart.”

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    Well, technically Android IS a type of Linux.

    But your solution is to not use the smart functions of a Smart TV. Do a factory reset of your TV and get some sort of external device like an Amazon Fire Stick or Apple TV or Raspbery pi or even a Linux Laptop. Treat your TV like a monitor for a small computer. Relying on the TV is the worst possible scenario.

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    You already got your answer so I won’t repeat them. You cannot even replace the live TV app on your smart TV. I spent a somewhat huge time to fix what’s wrong on my mother’s TV but sadly best I could do was sideloading apps and blocking ad channels on pi-hole. Probably the best way is to buy Raspberry-Pi and install LibreElec. At least that’s I’ll suggest next time we need such device.

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      I love Raspberry Pis, I have about 6 of them running around the house right now, but for TV work I prefer a beefier computer like the newer N100/N150 fanless models.

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      It was abandoned for awhile but a few months back someone has taken up working on it and made a bunch of headway. Looks significantly better than the screenshots on that website.

      That said, I think the UI of choice for Linux machines is going to be Steam Big Picture Mode. I’ve been using it as my SmartTV for awhile now and I really can’t think of anything else I’d want. The excellent controller support just makes it untouchable.

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        How did you get it running? I’ve tried compiling it on a fresh Arch and fresh Ubuntu 22.04 install and the compiler breaks halfway through.

        I only spent about 10 or so minutes each time trying to fix it and moved on.

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          I just use bazzite. Baked in, super easy.

          Agree with op- I’ve never used it but man, big picture mode is just amazing. Simple to use and does everything I need.

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      The fact that they mention Mycroft AI (which stopped being properly developed over 2 years ago) on their homepage is a little worrying 😬 They do mention the situation in their FAQs, though.

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      Agreed, ditch the idea of trying to run an OS on the TV itself. It’s not worth it.

      The TV is best used as a TV and nothing more. Plug a small computer into the back of it using one of the many video/audio ports which exist for just such a purpose.

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        people used to put linux on toasters and now we can’t do that anymore. lol

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          You can do it, it just isn’t worth the effort. The hardware is anemic at best and you’re bound to be missing drivers for some specialty chip.

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            it was also done back in the 90’s so it’s likely no a possibility anymore.

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            i’ve only seen it done once and, even then, i’m not sure if it was real or not.

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    I’ll answer your question right now without beating around this bush, what you are asking is simply impossible. In fact I will take it one step further, not only is your request not possible using your preexisting TV there is no such consumer TV that you can purchase as of now that will just run Linux. Furthermore there is not a single Linux distro as of now designed to run internally inside of TVs (there are distros for set top boxes, not TVs).

    Is it possible in theory?

    Possibly but until a single confirmed case of a successful Linux installation on a TV is found I will consider this impossible (furthermore the chances that the successful Linux installation occurs on your specific model of TV is slim).

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      Agreed. Theoretically possible, but practically not possible unless you are an embedded hardware engineer with access to Sony’s datasheets and potentially crypto keys. Some sort of external box is much more practical.

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        The requirements to make replacement Linux firmware for a TV would be

        1. A degree in CompSci
        2. Experience in hardware engineering
        3. Extensive knowledge of the TV circuitry
        4. All low level schematics of the TV
        5. Extensive knowledge of the processor used
        6. Extensive knowlage of the original firmware and boot process
        7. Extensive knowledge of embedded Linux systems (most likley Alpine)
        8. Kernel sources for the TV OS as well as somehow gaining acess to all firmware files
        9. Extensive knowledge on low level internal TV communication protocols

        At that point just make your own smart TV using a commercial display

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          You won’t need EE knowledge, that’s all abstracted away in silicon. You just need to know how to drive the chips, and they’ll manage the inputs and outputs.

          I doubt the TV OS is any kind of Linux. Usually embedded systems run something like vxworks. Sometimes Minix. Real fancy ones run Android (which is derived from Linux, yes).

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    If you can unlock the bootloader, it might be possible to install a Halium distro like Droidian on it. I wouldn’t recommend doing so, however, and there will be missing functionality, such as being able to use any video inputs or watch live TV. It will basically be a large smartphone without a touchscreen.

    Instead, I recommend disconnecting your TV from the internet and connecting an external device to it as others have recommended. See if there’s a way to autoboot your TV to an HDMI input. You can also get a USB CEC adapter to use your TV’s remote on your external device for something like Kodi, for instance.

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    I dont connect my tv’s os to the internet and use a dedicated mini pc for kodi or youtube/twitch in the browser. Cuz i have quite some performance in the mini pc; i also use to emulate some games.

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    It would be lovely if we could just boot a TV specialized Linux distro.

    Sadly I don’t think it’s going to appear soon except if someone (a conpany) decides to create a niche product filling that need.

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    Well you already have Linux on your TV. Unfortunately it’s android which is capitalist crap. They’ll no doubt make it extremely difficult to remove their malware. Even if you could overwrite, you would still be using the shitty computer inside your TV.

    Like other people have said, I think the best solution is using an external machine. I use an older laptop running Kodi for my TV. It’s pretty awesome. Just make sure your machine has the specs for your needs. It shouldn’t be hard to find something more powerful than the TV.

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    Hmm if you plan on using streaming services it’s a massive hassle tbh. You can get away with using web apps with some sort of launcher, but even then you can’t watch things in 4K because the DRM has a hardware component these days.

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    Had the same thought a year ago. The options which we have looked so ugly though i somehow ended up with a HTPC with Windows of all things… but i wish there would be a real simple Linux WM similiar to Apples TVos… Don’t like the Plasma Bigscreen either… Maybe its a great project to get into Wayland…