Our local bookshop used to have similar sign at the door. It’s a coffee shop now because people took that “do not enter” to heart.
its because CARD game players: yugioh pokemon, purposely not shower, and smell that way on purpose to distract other players from the game making them more likely to make mistake and lose a game. it has gotten so bad they have to implement the smell ban rule.
Yes but do they actually enforce it is the biggest question. My game store most certainly does not.
I’ve spent too much time in unventilated back rooms for Magic tournaments. It was musty.
I get it, personal hygiene isn’t always a big priority for us nerdy types. But it’s reaaaally not hard to do the bare minimum to keep from stinking, guys. Have some consideration for others when emerging from your cave.
Can we add brushing and flossing to this?
Eh. The point is not to ensure everyone takes care of their health. The point is to make sure no one makes the space uninhabitable due to their BO.
This should be on every bus and train door.
This sign should be posted in my bedroom right now too. I’m about to kick myself out.
As long as you’re alone in your bedroom…
Just please stay out of any crowded rooms till your next shower :o
Yeah every once in awhile if I’m in a certain position I catch a whiff of myself and it isn’t good.
I had a dream last night that I wandered into a cozy dormitory-like situation for the mentally ill and all I wanted was to find the shower room but the dream ended before I made it that far but I saw so many familiar friendly faces & everyone was warm & welcoming.
In my dreams people are so real & genuine & we all get each other.
I came here just to check out if somebody already did it and I was not disappointed xD
LOL, had to do it! Template for anyone who wants to add Sid to a shameful situation (low-rez, sadly):
Perfect size for posting though
OMG that man is a legend!
In the mid 90’s I was with a group of union apprentices attending the mandatory four week training at our headquarters in the Midwest. They put us up at a decent hotel in the downtown area. During our stay one year they had some kind of fantasy con. Many of these people were foul smelling. They were not used to being told they couldn’t enter the elevator without getting fucked up. Some of my fellow apprentices were how shall we say it. Impulsively violent toward people who smelled like unwashed ass. After all nearly everyone of us would shower once or twice daily due to the job. The con attendees quickly learned how to use the back elevator away from our floor.
It was really kinda sad but the Navy also had a floor for their recruits to stay at while they were being processed in. Many were young women all of legal age with the navy personnel trying but not always succeeding in keeping those ladies away from forty or so young construction workers. One of their main tactics was to encourage the navy recruits to use the back elevator. In forcing those unwashed losers to the back we inflicted them on those recruits.
Plenty of people don’t start to smell bad 24h after a shower, with or without deodorant. In winter, I’d guess it’s actually most people.
I try to shower as infrequently as I can without stinking because it fucks up my skin every single time.
Thank you for being the voice of reason and your patience with some people. A lot of people succumb to The Toupee Fallacy (A form of selection bias in which a thing whose quality is measured in terms of being difficult to detect is wrongly judged to be of poor quality in general, caused by the fact that most people only notice poor quality instances of it.).
I stopped showering every day for medical reasons and under medical supervision when I was young, and that really helped with my smell(Turns out I had both a fungal infection, and a hormonal disorder), and the habit stayed. My hair and my skin do a lot better, and due to the nature of my job, I would certainly know if I smelled, since I am often meeting clients and other team leads.
Having a bidet, applying deodorant daily and changing my clothes daily as well, added to working in climate controlled spaces, away from the sun, crowds and smelly habits like smoking are all factors that some people seem incapable of even considering.
But of course, this is Lemmy, where nuance often just fucking dies.
Yeah. I guess you can analyse it as:
- Denying the antecedent: “showering every day prevents smelling bad, therefore if you don’t shower every day, you will smell bad”
- Confirmation & Selection bias: “that person smells bad, therefore they can’t shower every day, making them an example of not showering every day leading to smelling bad”
- Bias of anecdotal evidence, presumably - at least, I’m assuming that most such people really do smell bad to themselves after only a day, which is treated as a reliable indicator of everyone’s condition.
It’s quite interesting to me, because it clearly becomes a very emotive topic when the difference between waiting one, two or three days to bathe is pretty abstract. I have developed a hypothesis that it’s the feeling of having a shower when one is feeling sticky and sweaty and dirty, and then coming out feeling nice and clean, that gets readily associated with bad odour. I then think that this link simply can’t form easily if your feeling when coming out of the shower is not “nice and clean” but “disgusting ball of skin-flakes held together only by paraffin and artificial grease”.
I have encountered this kind of attitude before but I was actually surprised to find it that prevalent here, because I expected more people to be sympathetic to conditions which require deviation from the norm.
Prince Andrew, for instance, famously does not sweat.
Plenty of people don’t start to smell bad 24h after a shower, with or without deodorant. In winter, I’d guess it’s actually most people.
I’ve learned for my own body the sweet spot is to use deodorant every day first thing in the morning and once per 48 hours take a full shower but if I do anything that causes me to sweat on an off day then I need to take a quick shower without any soaps. This keeps my body appropriately not-smelly and my hair doesn’t get greasy from over-washing like it does if I do a full shower daily. This regime also survives both running 5ks and biking 20+ miles in the summer, even if the day of the race/ride falls on an off-day!
Regarding deodorant I get smelly by the end of the day if I do not use deodorant regardless of the temperature. Also, some deodorants are apparently really good for larger folks who have chaffing issues. A friend of a friend specifically recommended slathering it anywhere that chafes first thing in the morning and that can help significantly
LMAO.
And plenty of people do start smelling bad 24 hours after not showering with or without deodorant. It is actually most people…
This is actually genetic!
Lucky east Asians…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/east-asians-no-body-odor-dont-need-deodorant-rcna156778
I’m one of those low percentage of non east asian people who have this and it is indeed nice especially since I’m allergic to most deodorants. The hard ear wax does sometimes cause me issues during allergy season though so its not all good.
TIL there’s no such thing as a master race /jk
Thanks for sharing :)
Idk, humans have lots of different smells and some are more tolerable than others. Like if you don’t sweat much (not me unfortunately) you can definitely go a day without showering. The worst human smell might be a rotting tooth though, that’s really difficult to be around.
I’m the same. But of course I do daily the parts where the sun don’t shine.
Some people really do smell more than others, with the same washing habits.
I myself prefer a slight body odor in others, even light sweat (not stink!). Although some perfumes smell really good. But that agressive deodorant smell I hate.
you just made my stomach turn
I’m sure plenty of people do, maybe you’re even one of them, but turning this into blanket statements is weird and annoying. How many people think, because of the culture embodied in this sign, that they must shower every day, and never even check?
Wait - if you don’t shower every day, how do you wake up fully? :p
White-knuckling traffic with my kid in the car seems to work okay
I can’t drag myself out of bed to the shower until I’m awake enough to do non-shower things anyway…
interesting… If I have to leave the house on time, shower is the actual wake-up call for me. Alarm is just to get me to sleep walk into the shower
Blah blah cultural embodied… blah blah What are you babbling about?
if you don’t shower daily you reek like shit /FULL STOP
I am sorry about yoru skin condition, Have you experimented with different soaps and or consulted a dermatologist?
Your bad diet makes you smell worse
if you don’t shower daily you reek like shit /FULL STOP
Maybe you reek like shit after a day without showering because you don’t adequately wipe your ass? Because I don’t have that issue. I shower 2-3 times a week and don’t have any issues smelling like I stepped in your argument.
I also don’t really go places much since I work remote, but it’s not hard to shower before leaving the house to go do something
Get a bidet, use deodorant, and you can skip a day between showers, as long as you haven’t been working in the yard all day, or just got done at the gym.
smelling like I stepped in your argument.
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I’m sorry about how rapidly you stink, have you experimented with different deodorants or consulted a doctor?
Have you thought that they might have already and it was no help?
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And that’s the reason it was a question
Nah, that was a tit for tat.
So that’s why they have those 48 hour protection deodorants, it’s for the Magic players!
Yu-Gi-Oh! players too, especially if they do 5m combos every time they’re going 1st.
To add: It’s a good idea to occasionally check with someone else how you smell, because we notice our own smell less than others.
Yep. I developed eczema and soap/chemicals are not my friend, I will forgo deodorant in the winter and use it lightly during the summer - you’d be surprised how little you really need - but I am checking with people about it regularly. I had a friend tell me I smelled like “outside” which made me realize the crystal deodorant wasn’t working right.
Yeah, my partner can be trusted to advise me of the situation lol
Body moisturizer after shower is a game changer. I wish I’d known about it sooner.
You probably need to find a good moisturizer and leave it on for a while in the shower.
Oh fuck, moisturiser!! Thank god someone has finally suggested MOISTURISER to me! And here I’d been covering my body in salt and ash. Truly I am saved.
Simply fill your bath with lotion and bathe in that instead of water!
I can then run around the village and have people try and catch me
The best part is the bath will never be contaminated by dirty water so you can reuse the lotion forever…
Aveeno makes an oatmeal bath for this purpose
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You probably smell really bad. Olfactory fatigue might make you think otherwise. Just shower and moisturize. Find skin friendly soap.
I use the skin friendliest soap I know of, and can smell when I need a shower, and have trusted other people who validate my own sense. Olfactory fatigue makes no sense unless you shower really infrequently.
Thanks for your fake, ill-informed concern though. Sucks that on Lemmy people are so closed minded they can’t understand that people sweat less than they do.
Are you made from sugar? I’m part of the two-a-day club. When I wake up and after the gym.
I try to shower as infrequently as I can without stinking because it fucks up my skin every single time.
Could you go into detail? Is it the soap, or the water that fucks up your skin? And how does it get “fucked up”?
I don’t want to go into too much detail about medical stuff in public but I don’t believe it is about soap alone because it also affects skin that i don’t soap up in the shower.
You’re not anonymous on social media? That’s always a mistake.
affects skin that i don’t soap up in the shower.
Dawg, what’s the point of showering if you don’t wash your entire body?
There’s no valid excuse for not bathing every day, except if you’re camping or something. If you really are having negative skin reactions, you should go see a dermatologist. I’m not a doctor, so maybe I’m wrong.
You say that you don’t stink, but you also don’t bathe every day, so I’m not going to trust your judgment on matters of hygiene. You should try to get an opinion from someone who wouldn’t lie to you. I have a cousin who doesn’t regularly shower, and he tries to hide it by slathering himself with cologne, but that just makes him smell like body odor and cologne. I tell him he smells like shit, but he doesn’t care. He readily admits that he is just too lazy to shower every day.
Idk why I care so much about this. It’s your life, be gross if you want to. Just… Don’t lie to yourself, I guess.
I don’t wash in the shower what I wash out of the shower.
I am an adult and it’s weird you and others assume that I haven’t consulted a doctor about this in my entire life.
Not all health problems are curable, so actually doctors’ advice includes (or can include) “don’t shower every day if that exacerbates your condition”.
My partner wouldn’t lie to me about this, which I know because sometimes they do tell me I need a shower. Not often though. It’s weird that you think it’s so hard to tell, yet also are so adamant that it must be done every day - yet that’s my experience with most people online.
It seems pretty clear it just grosses people out who never questioned the habit.
Like, you’re trying to make your point sound reasonable and well thought-out, but then you write stuff like
I don’t wash in the shower what I wash out of the shower.
Wtf does that mean? Your hands? Your face? Your asshole?
I’m not a doctor, but I’ve been on this earth for enough decades to have met all kinds of people with different showering habits. Those that don’t shower daily are easy to identify, either by their smell up close, or by their oily skin from a distance. Maybe you’re an anomaly, and should be studied by doctors for your superior anti-stink genes?
My partner wouldn’t lie to me about this, which I know because sometimes they do tell me I need a shower.
Different people have different sensitivity to smells. I’ve known two people who have no sense of smell (and one of them habitually stinks). Maybe your partner likes your stench? Maybe they just tolerate it because they love you?
Again, I don’t care how you live your life, esp since it’s unlikely I’ll ever have to smell you. I have no ill-will towards you, and hope you live a long and happy life. But for the sake of intellectual curiosity and internet conversation, I’m not backing down from my position if all you have is a “just trust me bro”.
I only shower on hair wash days. Showering isn’t the only form of bathing, and I don’t understand why people think soap stops working outside a shower. I feel absolutely gross if I can’t take a wet washcloth with some soap and wipe all the grime off periodically. If you’re relying on a daily shower to keep you clean, and don’t wash outside a shower, you must be absolutely disgusting.
Why can’t you use a washcloth inside a shower? Why do you think sitting in a pool of your own grime is cleaner than having a shower wash it down the drain?
What parts of your body do you wash regularly outside the shower? Is it a non-zero amount? Then you understand what I mean, right?
How are you correlating the smells of all these people with how often they shower? How many people have you asked that question of, because I’m guessing it’s “none” and you’re simply assuming that everyone who showers every other day is detectable by your nose - rather than those being people who haven’t washed for a month.
My partner tells me on the rare occasion when I smell bad, so there’s no reason to think they’re saving my feelings. I can also smell the change.
You’re so keen to assume all these details about my life instead of believing what seems to me to be extremely unsurprising - that it takes at least one person a few days to start smelling bad.
people of different age, race and sex all smell different, with a common gene among Asian people resulting in little to know body odour. This shouldn’t be hard to believe.
My partner tells me on the rare occasion when I smell bad, so there’s no reason to think they’re saving my feelings. I can also smell the change.
Is that the case? Or do they only tell you once the smell becomes unbearable? Usually, when you reach the point that you can smell your own stank, it’s really bad for other people. Have you had an open conversation with them about this? It’s an awkward topic for most people. If you’re so adamantly defending your point here on the internet anonymously, I wonder if you’re more defensive about it IRL, and off-putting to people who would otherwise be honest with you.
In any case, one of us is delusional here. You? Me? I don’t think we’ll reach a consensus on that one.
What’s the point of commenting if you are just going to belittle someone else immediately after they said they didn’t want to talk about it?
Yeah, but this is a shop for MTG nerds. They ain’t most people.
Are you, by any chance, showering with hot water? It’s said that warmer/hotter water dries out the skin more.
Well I’m certainly not taking a cold shower in winter! I don’t have a thermostatic shower tap so don’t know what temperature it is, but I guess I have it at about body temperature… Not sure if that is as hot as you mean.
“Hey, Skinx, yer on Door Sniffing Duty tonight.”
“Aw, I always get Door Sniffing Duty, make Plug do it, he never does it.”
“Plug has allergies, he can’t smell so good. You got a good nose.”
“You don’t need a good nose for these dudes. You can smell Fat Tony from a block away.”
“Speaking of, it’s Wednesday.”
“Wednesday? OH! Fat Tony always comes in on Wednesday!”
“Yep, you’ll be getting a schnozzful of Fat Tony’s unique gamey fragrance, before you send him home for his shower. Get at it!”
“Fuck…”
When you go to cons you always see these guys who are clearly spending mad cash, but they’re in a ratty t shirt and sweat pants, and they smell like unwashed ass covered in baby powder. You can play magic for 10 hours but you can’t go take a 15 minute shower???
I heard it’s a strategy to make other people disgusted and so they are less concentrated on the game
thats quite the commitment
From my reading of social media there are two kinds of neurodivergents: 1) hates showing, most unpleasant experience, sensory overload 2) loves showering, could live in the shower, sometimes exits the shower and realises that they forgot to wash their hair or soap up or something. Only misses their daily shower when they are very busy and can’t find an hour in their schedules.
You may be a neurotypical if you:
- shower each day
- complete your shower in less than 10 minutes
- don’t forget any of the 1-3 things you are supposed to do in the shower
- have no strong feelings about showering
I’ve been known to shower until the hot water runs out. I’ve been known to fall asleep in the shower. I love showers.
Sleeping in the shower! Do you then wake up when you start gurgling?
If you want a good night’s sleep in the shower then get one of those continuous water heaters, or a recirculation shower to save on the water and energy.
I’m suddenly buying a house in extreme need of repairs (including the bathroom), so I’ll look into it, thanks!
I’ve thought that if I were heavily renovating or building I’d want to strongly consider putting a tankless waterheater just for the shower. Main water heater does its job but can be set to a good handwashing temp but the shower never runs out of hot and is set hot enough for both myself and my wife.
Damn, that’s cool.
Damn, that’s expensive.
But what if you piss in the shower? Or worse …
It goes on at length about how the myriad filters remove everything. I hadn’t thought about that, but I don’t think it would clean the water THAT good.
If it’s reverse osmosis literally only water can pass through.
I think there’s two ways to do that.
- A simple heat exchanger from the drain to the cold water running to the shower. A thermostat on the shower reduces the amount of hot water you use as the cold water gets warmer.
- Recovering water from the drain to go into the shower again, probably via reverse osmosis.
Second option requires maintenance and a bunch of engineering. Unless there’s a massive lack of water where you live and you have lots of money.
First option… Well, it requires more piping and that the drain pipe is a heat exchanging pipe - a pipe within a pipe where the cold water is in the outermost pipe, running in the opposite direction of the drain water. I’m not sure how much heat you would recover. The floor of the shower might need to be a bit higher than otherwise. And if you have hard water then I wouldn’t do it. When you heat cold, hard water the calcium carbonate precipitates and you get limescale. To avoid reducing heat exchange efficiency and avoid clogs you would have to descale regularly and it’s just not very accessible. With normal descaling you can remove a lot mechanically but here it would have to be all chemical. And how would you even get the descaler into those pipes?
Tl;dr don’t do option 1, only do option 2 if you have very soft water.
A simple heat exchanger from the drain to the cold water running to the shower.
This is very much a thing! Here’s a DOE explainer page and here’s a Home Depot listing
I think the usual way these are installed is they go in the basement with the drain portion going between the sewers and the house’s various drains and the fresh water portion going before the water heater to pre-heat the ground-temperature water before it enters the tank (although the DOE’s diagram indicates it pre-heats all fresh water entering the house, thereby also warming the cold water, which is probably great for showering, but not when getting a glass of cold water while the dishwasher or clothes washer are running)
A recovering water system. I can finally have a real golden shower! /s
Imagine finding out you are neurotypical :(
Is there anything a person can do if they find out they or their child is neurotypical?
tylenol?
10 minutes
How do you wash in that time? That’s just enough to get wet.
5 minutes baby. Military taught me to eat fast, shower fast, fall asleep fast, and clean like i have OCD
I should have gone to the military, like I wanted to. When I finished school, I wanted to serve to learn discipline, order, and structure. My parents are both strict pacifists and had dragged me to peace protests from a young age. I didn’t want to break their heart, so an undisciplined civilian life it was. Still lacking discipline, order, and difficulty sleeping.
If you really want to fight someone else’s war then you can go do that now.
Buddy is 43. He just enrolled. Going to be a shit show but he’s doing it.
I don’t known why people are down voting you. You do you. If you want to shoot a gun, go bet one and blast away. If you want to blow shit up, umm I can’t help you.
They can get a blaster’s license and work in demolition, or mining.
Army takes up to 36, and they’re decently disciplined. May have missed the boat on Marines though, and that’s where the true brainwashing occurs, in my opinion. And I don’t mean brainwashing making you want to kill and love war, I’m not fond of either, less so after than before. But structure is a very real thing, and developing good habits.
I’m already over 40. Thank you.
I shower in less than 10:
- Heat water while I undress
- Change water to cold, wet my hair only (dyed hair is a pain, god bless it’s short)
- Shampoo hair, Clear, apply conditioner
- Change water to hot again, wet rest of body
- Stop water, apply gel in body
- Hot water, rinse body
- Cold water, rinse head
- Get out.
That’s like 8 mins, maybe 9 because I spend 2 with my hair, maybe 10 because I spend 2 mins wetting my body to heat it up.
Ofc, if I’m feeling cold I end up spending way longer in the wet body phase.
I had a boyfriend that HAD to shower everytime he pooped. He couldn’t poop anywhere he wouldn’t be able to shower or he would be annoying until we got home. He also had IBS. Lovely time I had
You should’ve bought that boy a bidet. That’s probably what he wanted.
Rather than shit steam your bathroom
Oh no. We had a bidet shower (bum gun), he just wouldn’t use. He said it didn’t felt clean enough. He wasn’t a germophobe but I guess he couldn’t handle poop lol. At lease he wasn’t one of those “real men don’t clean” gang
Lol, I love the PSA-style “You may be neurotypical if…”
I don’t know how much neurodivergence factors into it, though Im sure it does. Plenty of these sort of people think they only need to shower once every week or two because they don’t smell and usually insist they have “good hygiene” despite that. Some just straight up can’t be bothered. Both types tend to not have very many friends; who would ideally inform them that they stink.
This is way too general. Like I get its a joke, but I don’t think anyone showers super quickly unless they are time pressed
Nah cause I’m both of those. I want nothing to do with a shower until I get in and then I’ll stay there until I run through 50 gallons of near boiling water. And then as the water starts turning cold I realize I haven’t even washed yet.
From this alone, I’ll diagnose you with ADHD.
You may be a neurotypical if you:
Showering properly is one of the few things I do consistently, because if I’m not doing something outdoors like hiking or camping then my stinky bits annoy me.
Ha ha lol lets insult customers!
Seriously I do not understand signs like this.
They only scold the very customers they want, while they will bounce off the customers they don’t want.
These signs are self masturbatory in nature. Just someone who wants to rant and feel better than others in a public fashion.
That’s not a sign that just gets put up. That’s a response to a problem.
Im not arguing about whether it is or isn’t. Im saying no sensible person thinks this is actually a solution and this is 100% a narcissism play.
What’s a sensible solution to the problem of unhygienic customers then
Ill tell you what it isn’t: This.
Rude and demeaning text aimed at your customers absolutely does not help the problem.
They could try a probably still bad approach of saying the rooms are warm and so people might want to pay more attention to this.
They could have people just approach those who smell and point it out to them politely
They could have better air exchange to mitigate the problem when not caught.
There are so many options which arent this, because this simply does not work.
The only way someone would be offended by this, is if they don’t wear deodorant and are aware of their own BO, but decided it’s actually a good thing that everyone can smell it.
Wanting everyone to have a good time and not have to smell something horrible isn’t in any way narcissistic.
Thinking it’s okay to make everyone else smell your own BO, absolutely is narcissistic.
Not at all.
If you are a regular person, it tells you that you are associated with this now.
It means you don’t want to go to a place that is associated with this.
Wanting everyone to have a good time and not have to smell something horrible isn’t in any way narcissistic.
You pretending you don’t understand my point doesnt make your argument sound.
As a regular person, if I saw this I would be glad they were saying something. I wouldn’t associate myself with it because I know that I bathe regularly and don’t smell like rancid asshole. I spent a lot of time the game store in my town when I was a kid and mfers that couldn’t wash properly were absolutely a problem.
Eh, i fw it. Either come back with the decency to hold up your end of the social contract or I don’t want your money.
If you are a regular person, it tells you that you are associated with this now.
It means you don’t want to go to a place that is associated with this.
This isn’t actually affecting the people its pretending to affect.
You’re overthinking what a regular person would think and do
How is it so rude and demeaning? It literally is just a warning sign that if someone doesn’t have a hygenic lifestyle they will be asked to leave.
If you are a regular person, it tells you that you are associated with this now.
It means you don’t want to go to a place that is associated with this.
Why does it upset you so much? Kind of suspicious XD
Ah but we are dealing with gamers here, not sensible people.
No one wants the stinky customers. If you’re insulted by this you should stfu and take a bath.
I fear you might be able to read, but not able to comprehend.
There are a legion of other people who also jump to insults pretending they cant understand the problem.
I fear you’re the one who is having trouble reading. The sign clearly delineates who is allowed and who is not. Wearing deodorant and showered within the last 24 hours =Welcome. No deodorant or has not showered =fuck off. How is this insulting ALL customers?
At this point your comment is tantamount to trolling, because there is no way you don’t understand my message.
Disagreeing with you is not the same as mis-understanding.
You aren’t disagreeing honestly. You’re disagreeing as if you can’t see my arguments. I wish lemmy as a platform had a “mute replies to this comment” so I could stop seeing the replies on this thread specifically. No one is arguing in good faith, they’re all, like you, masturbating to the idea of feeling superior to people rather than acknowledging the disrespect to the customers.
I can see your arguments, they are based on the incorrect presumption that this sign is insulting to all customers. It isn’t, it clearly spells out who it’s intended to disrespect. Anyone that doesn’t meet that criteria is free to walk right by.
Like most signs, this will be ignored by the people it’s intended for.
The point of the sign is to avoid them getting angry when you throw them out. They will, but others in the store will back you up.
That’s just not how interacting with humans works though.
Chances are there are several individuals who visit this shop with “offensive” hygiene.
The sign isn’t going to stop them coming in.
When you say “hey fuck off stinky”, they’re going to react badly. Pointing to the sign isn’t going to make them any less reactive or defensive.
The correct way to handle this is to pull them aside, tell them you really appreciate them visiting the store, they’re really into the hobby and a key part of the local scene or whatever, but last time they came in a few other customers mentioned their hygiene.
I totally understand that most people don’t want to have that second interaction, that’s fine.
My point is, in either approach the sign doesn’t help.
The sign is to prevent them from claiming they didn’t know.
The assholes who still get angry can look for a different store to shop in.
You don’t need a sign for people to be happy that King Shit is getting kicked out, or for them to “back you up”.
No, but you need it to show it to him on the way out.
They’re all going to be "dammit what time is it? Anyone got a calculator? "
